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BTW, FE3 remake is on the way.
Topic Started: May 25 2010, 10:05 AM (1,013 Views)
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http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/index.html

So basically, Shadow Dragon again with an addon story.

Do we really want this? ;>_>
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Ok, hop aboard then. Adventure awaits.

Shadow Dragon is so bad it doesn't even count as an FE game, so maybe they'll actually remake it rather than port it and add a few chapters at the start.

Hahaha who am I kidding this series is dead.
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Me: I hope that they're only remaking the second part of it, because remaking FE1 for the third time would be idiotic.
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Dammit just give us FE4!
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i have very cautious optomism that they have learned from thier mistakes with SD


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...why not do fe4/5/6? ugh
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...why not do fe4/5/6? ugh
If I had my way, we'd be getting a joint FE6/7 remake with the support pairings in the FE7 half affecting the cast in the FE6 cast. Partly because that was one thing about FE4 that makes me kick myself for not playing it yet even though it's been sat around my pc for years, partly because I want to see how FE6 would play out with FE7 actually in mind.

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If FE3 goes over well, maybe they'll do FE4 next.

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If FE3 goes over well, maybe they'll do FE4 next.

(I can dream, can't I?)
Me: I don't see why that wouldn't be the case. The alternative would be them coming up with a new game, and that's hard.
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Look, I'm just gonna say it: FE4 would be terrible to remake. I mean, they could just do what they did in Shadow Dragon and update the graphics/add a chapter, but that'd make for a terrible game in this day and age. But what would you add to it? More in depth story? Better character backgrounds? The game's already an incredible slog with the minimal characterization it has, more would just be unbearable. Would they rebalance it? Not likely, and that'd mean you'd probably be using similar characters each time, if you even did replay it (because Jesus Christ is it long). Streamline it? Take some things out? The fans wouldn't stand for it.

I love FE4, but partially because it's so bad. Most of the fun I had comes from the extreme imbalance.
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Not to mention the fact that most of the really important game mechanics in FE4 (like the generations and relationships) are impossible to figure out without a guide. FE is always bad for this, but FE4 is definitely the worst in this regard.

Let's face it: FE needs to be revamped. The dead forever idea was a stand-out idea years ago and an interesting gimmick, but its far too punishing on newcomers and annoying on the rest of us when an enemy gets a lucky crit and you have to start over again to save your character. The way the battles are structured means fights take far too long and (especially in FE10 with its huge battles) it's extremely boring when sitting through an enemy turn that can take upwards of 20 minutes to complete. Not to mention the fact that the whole presentation and structure of the game is overcomplicated and not that tactical when it comes down to it, with many classes (let alone units) being redundant or outright useless (FE4 was the worst for this, with any unit not mounted and without a holy weapon being useless).

Basically, make the next FE game Valkyria Chronicles with support conversations and I'll be happy.
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Ok, hop aboard then. Adventure awaits.

I just want to see the next actually new FE, if it ever happens. They were trying new ideas in 10, so maybe they'll try better new ideas in the next new one.

hahahaha who am I kidding
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Basically, make the next FE game Valkyria Chronicles with support conversations and I'll be happy.
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give FE one state, like advance wars
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getting a jump on trolling eh


Personally, an Ideal FE for me would be one that makes every character totally unique, and useful -- screw classes, give everyone their own set of skills. Support conversations would actually have some effect on the storyline, and characters would not become robots who never speak again after you recruit them. There would be plot branches that could cause some characters to get sick of you and leave. There would not be permadeath, but units who go down in battle would be unusable for several chapters -- think FE5's fatigue system, but based off of battle defeat instead of participation.


so basically, i would like SRW+Tactics Ogre+FE4+actual new ideas
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Before FE4 is ever rerelased ever, they're going to need to...rework the storyline.

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I think the problem here is that we're all implying/hoping that IS would actually put the effort required into a good new FE (See; Radiant Dawn not realising it's potential, Shadow Dragon being a halfassed port with some new gimmicks and this... hopefully not just being Shadow Dragon and some more chapters on to)

I mean, I'm not complaining if they do put said effort levels in, but how likely is it really?
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I kind of liked FE9's class system, in that the classes still existed but there was still some degree of uniqueness between characters thanks to their skills. Better character development and more importance on supports would be good, too, like Chrono said. I'd even take a smaller character roster in exchange for better development of them.

So I guess I'd like something like FE7, only reworking the class system a bit and expanding on what it did well in comparison to the other games--the supports and characters, with fewer characters if necessary but with a comparable length. One big thing that bugged me about FE8 was that it was just too short. And a little dreary; it felt like no matter what I did, the plot was just going to continue from bad to worse. FE7 was dark at times, but there was always hope that we could totally beat this thing. I didn't get that feeling from FE8. That's probably why I still haven't finished it.

That, and it was just too orange for my liking.
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No, really, high fantasy Valkyria Chronicles with character interaction works for me.

Seriously that game did so many things right it was uncanny.

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Personally I can't wait until they add the Zerg to FE. The Zerg make everything better. Glory to the Overmind Kerrigan the new Overmind Kerrigan again I think it's that Overmind the UED controls now? Hey Wally what's in charge of the Zerg in SC2? something.
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That, and it was just too orange for my liking.
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The concept of Valkyria Chronicles without such lovely things as the Batomys and the Marmota pleases me greatly. >_>

Anyway, assuming FE continues in standard style, here's my wishlist, assuming IS could be bothered to sit down and balance it all (shut up i'm aware "Balanced Fire Emblem game" is a huge contradiction in terms);

* A reworked skill system. Ideally, with three sets of skills; generic skills like the ones used in FE9/10 as skill scrolls that could be assigned to anyone, and personal skills unique to individual units that can't be removed like... CKahMB's, since I'm strapped for better examples, and the class skills from FE8 (without them either being too useless (hi sure shot) or too overpowered).

* Branched promotions done in such a way that all choices for a given character were very different without one choice being undeniably superior to the others, so that whether you promoted Bob the Shaman to a Druid or a Summoner didn't depend on Druid wrecking Summoner as much as it depended on how Bob the Druid would complement your team so far compared to Bob the Summoner.

* Bring back supports (with actual conversations), except with them being boosted in FE9's style (this being one of the few things I liked about FE9). Earth can go die for Earth/Earth being horribly overpowered, though. >_>

* Keep the Sword/Lance/Axe/Bow Knights and Cavaliers and Fire/Wind/Thunder/etc Mages. Where possible as well, being able to choose the weapon types gained on promotion. Yeah, it's a bit of a blow to the branched promotions, but... using the FEABL classes as an example, say I wanted to promote a Hunter to a Ranger, but I didn't want the bows. If I didn't want my Hunter to get bows, I'd have to go for Predator... but that comes with a wyvern, which isn't the direction I want my Hunter to go in this time round; here I can have a Ranger with Lances (or if the mood takes me, Axes) or I could have my Hunter become a Predator with Bows (or also Axes).

* Rebalance the weapon stats, so that one type isn't inherently superior to the others.

* Do something about Pegasus Knights and Con. I'm not saying Florina should be able to swing a Devil Axe with no AS loss, but can we at least have them capable of using their basic weapons without being weighed down?

Yes, I enjoy customisation and variety too much to ever see an FE game give me everything I want, be quiet. >_>

Incidentally, if anyone has some customisation intensive SRPGs they'd like to recommend to me, feel free. =\
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That, and it was just too orange for my liking.
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Sounds to me you want to play the PSX Final Fantasy Tactics with the 1.3 unofficial patch enabled.

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Before FE4 is ever rerelased ever, they're going to need to...rework the storyline.
But it just won't be the same without all the implied/out righted stated incest!
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Ok, hop aboard then. Adventure awaits.

They could at least work it out of the game mechanics, in regards to Celice and whatshername, though.
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Celice can't be in a pairing with Yuria IIRC. It's the only pairing where putting them next to each other actually decreases their relationship value.
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Interesting that they went to the extent of doing that when the incestuous relationship of Diadora and Alvis is a plot point and the relationship between Lachesis and Eltosian is heavily implied at points in the game.
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Ok, hop aboard then. Adventure awaits.

There's actually a non-cheat device way to do it, though. When she's evil, that modifier that lowers their relationship points doesn't get added, so if you stand celice next to her...
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Apparently there's also another way using a system in FE4 I wasn't aware of called the Jealousy system.

http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Jealousy_System
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Most interesting...had no idea.
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Wow. That's a really good example of stuff no one ever explains in FE.
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If it's in FE4 and Jmy doesn't know about it, I'd say it's pretty well hidden. And FE4 is bad enough at that kind of obtuse game design anyway.
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