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Mac users no longer stuck on windows games
Topic Started: Aug 3 2006, 07:53 PM (243 Views)
Notorious
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http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1937
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[BM]Grinch
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errrm isnt it just for intel macs, and kinda pointless cuz they can duel boot?
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Grinch,Aug 3 2006, 07:14 PM] errrm isnt it just for intel macs, and kinda pointless cuz they can duel boot?

windows is expensive and who wants to leave macd os just for games. this will also allow linux people with cedega to play aa which is good news. at some point i would assume people with macs now will upgrade to intel macs so it will be good for all then.
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ok :D glad to see its not somethin pointless
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Could this mean AA for Mac again..... dun dun dun... :francis:
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that woudl be awesome!
except i only just got my G5 (2nd last gen before intels) soo i dont think i'll be gettin an intel mac anytime soon. unless i save up and get a nice big boy powerbook or something! mmm *dreams*
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Same here... I have a G5 for my design graphics work, pc windows is no good for this, i dont think i would purchase an intel coz it would only be for games. & what i believe can send viruses through windows....

Anyhow, theres to many cheats on PC. I am very happy to stay with macs and never play with PC players... or upgrade to 2.7 or 2.6.

Our Devs can ad the AAO files for the new maps anyway...

Also PC players have a significant advantage even playing normaly than mac players.. lets keep away from them...
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How do PC's have advantages over macs even if they dont cheat?
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Windows is just wannabe mac now. They have realised that Mac is superior in its set up and programs and that is why with the new version of windows, called Vista (only beta version out so far and only as demo) is so much like the mac software. Very minimalistic and looks a lot like mac. They also toggled with the idea of the 'on the side toolbar' thing. This just proves that mac is better

More on topic, the game play on windows comps is a lot smoother. And none of the servers lag but that isnt to do with windows really. The noises may vary from computer to computer but the windows versions of the bullet fire and things seem much better on my friends computer that i have played AA on.
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i think you'll find graphical issues are just due to the porting. i know in..i think it was 2.4, the sounds were actually mirrored, ie sounds from left came through right channel, and vice versa.
as good as ryan (the only mac dev for AA) is, he's only one man, and they didnt pay him to do it so he did what he could when he could. unfortunately he is in high demand from companys that will pay him, so he hung up his holster on AA for the time.
i agree with magic, playing with PC players (when they were on 2.5) was tedious and you grow rather sick of playing after a while. simple fact is it is easier for a windows player to cheat than a mac player, and with the size of the AA community, you're going to get the people out there that choose to cheat. i like the close knit group we've got going on 2.5, but unfortunately i think it is inevitable that the community will fall because people will grow tired of paying for severs that a limited amount of people use. Also, once 2.7 comes out, you may find the windows people who like to play 2.5 slowly leave, that is if 2.7 is all its cracked up to be.
I dont know what'll happen, i think its a bit harsh of AA to neglect mac users, but then again it is a free game, so its their choice! haha. I hope AA for mac doesnt die a "traitors" death, but rather, like a Phoenix, rises from the Ashes!
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I agree.
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Cider is Cedega. Not to look on the downside, but I think Cedega (the "Oh, protability for Windows games on Linux") has actually HURT us linux users for getting games. I'd worry about the same thing happening to the Mac due to this. Here's the rub:

- Cedega (a.k.a. Cider) doesn't work that great. I've yet to get a game working well. Most don't work at all (including AA 2.6).
- Due to Cedega's existance, I think game publishers IGNORE linux as a potential port because "they can just use Cedega".

Put that together and you end up with - games that work crappy, if at all, and publishers given another excuse to ignore your requests for a port.

The _best_ you will get out of this scenario is a boxed "Mac" game that you paid for, that isn't actually native. Macs use OpenGL, but games with Cider use DirectX. Macs use standard C libraries, games with Cider use Win32. Do you really want Win32 and DirectX games instead of standard libraries and OpenGL?
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We want native software for MAC and Linux :2gun: :ninja: :guns:
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Aug 3 2006, 07:32 PM

who wants to leave mac os just for games.

i would still be on a mac if it could keep up with gaming, maybe in the future i will go back
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Cider is Cedega. Not to look on the downside, but I think Cedega (the "Oh, protability for Windows games on Linux") has actually HURT us linux users for getting games. I'd worry about the same thing happening to the Mac due to this. Here's the rub:

- Cedega (a.k.a. Cider) doesn't work that great. I've yet to get a game working well. Most don't work at all (including AA 2.6).
- Due to Cedega's existance, I think game publishers IGNORE linux as a potential port because "they can just use Cedega".

Put that together and you end up with - games that work crappy, if at all, and publishers given another excuse to ignore your requests for a port.

The _best_ you will get out of this scenario is a boxed "Mac" game that you paid for, that isn't actually native. Macs use OpenGL, but games with Cider use DirectX. Macs use standard C libraries, games with Cider use Win32. Do you really want Win32 and DirectX games instead of standard libraries and OpenGL?

Guess we'll have to wait and see how it works out I have a feeling it will be better then it's linux counterpart but guess we have to wait and see. Linux will not get ports of games or high end software because of it's open source nature. Sad to say but everything linux gets will have to be done by regular people I wouldn't expect many companies to make ports of stuff for an os that's free. I don't agree with this but know it's a big thing on a few companies minds. Free and open source aren't friendly words in the corporate world.
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Aug 6 2006, 12:37 PM
Guess we'll have to wait and see how it works out I have a feeling it will be better then it's linux counterpart but guess we have to wait and see.  Linux will not get ports of games or high end software because of it's open source nature.  Sad to say but  everything linux gets will have to be done by regular people I wouldn't expect many companies to make ports of stuff for an os that's free.  I don't agree with this but know it's a big thing on a few companies minds.  Free and open source aren't friendly words in the corporate world.

You know the OS you run on IS one of those "free/open source" projects extended by a company known for it's proprietary ways, right?

Aside from that, id software makes linux ports, and one company's entire business model was porting games to linux for other companies (Ryan Gordan, the guy that ported AA, worked there before they went under). The problem is chicken/egg. The company I work for made Windows software, and now makes it for Linux as well (although this is server stuff... different market).

Cider won't be a silver bullet. Apple has a base of users they can prove are there due to the hardware sales... you guys have more pull than us linux users. My advice is to use that to vote with your $$ against companies that don't port, and be vocal to them about it.

Also, please don't underestimate the acceptance of linux for high end apps before you see who takes it seriously.
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Also, please don't underestimate the acceptance of linux for high end apps before you see who takes it seriously.


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Aug 6 2006, 12:37 PM
Guess we'll have to wait and see how it works out I have a feeling it will be better then it's linux counterpart but guess we have to wait and see.  Linux will not get ports of games or high end software because of it's open source nature.  Sad to say but  everything linux gets will have to be done by regular people I wouldn't expect many companies to make ports of stuff for an os that's free.  I don't agree with this but know it's a big thing on a few companies minds.  Free and open source aren't friendly words in the corporate world.

You know the OS you run on IS one of those "free/open source" projects extended by a company known for it's proprietary ways, right?

Aside from that, id software makes linux ports, and one company's entire business model was porting games to linux for other companies (Ryan Gordan, the guy that ported AA, worked there before they went under). The problem is chicken/egg. The company I work for made Windows software, and now makes it for Linux as well (although this is server stuff... different market).

Cider won't be a silver bullet. Apple has a base of users they can prove are there due to the hardware sales... you guys have more pull than us linux users. My advice is to use that to vote with your $$ against companies that don't port, and be vocal to them about it.

Also, please don't underestimate the acceptance of linux for high end apps before you see who takes it seriously.



Wrote a long post here and removed it because I don't think I'm able to express in text what I mean. And I'm not trying to argue over points we obviously agree on for the most part. Not bagging on linux just don't see how it can work out in the long run and keep momentum going. Don't want an arguement here I have good feelings because someone is even trying this that others will do the same and was excited to see linux included in those plans which i guess is lackluster to you. This is exciting because it means people are working on something and hopefully others will follow and try to create their own as well. I'd much rather pay for a working solution like this than a license for windows.

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http://macobserver.com/gamingnews/2006/08/08.1.shtml
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Most of what I'm saying isn't making sense when I read it back your right I'm wrong Just hope we can all get to 2.7 or 3.0 or whatever at some point without doing the dirty deed of a widnows install to get there.
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Most of what I'm saying isn't making sense when I read it back

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Most of what I'm saying isn't making sense when I read it back

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Yeah I was babbling yesterday
:) oh well it happens sometimes
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LOL... you crack me up, Merc (in a good way).

Anyway, most linux users use it for it's other qualities, not it's price. I've paid several times for box sets, if for no other reason, to give my support. It is introduced to potential new users as "Free as in beer" mostly because (IMO anyway) that pretty much removes most of their arguements for not trying it out.

Linux won't fade away, that's one of the reasons I use it. It really CAN'T fade away. All it ever needs are enough smart people who want to do something with it (that's where the REAL free comes in.. the freedom, not the price). Linux has been around longer than usable versions of Windows, and it's usage is still only going up (did you know some think it's overtaken MacOS as #2?)

Anway, Cider is Cedega. Cedega is built off an old version of the Win API people ARE doing for themselves (WINE). The wine guys noticed that Cedega takes away user's freedoms wine was trying to give (nothing to do with price) so they changed the license from BSD (the license that allows Apple to make proprietary MacOS from FreeBSD) to GPL (a license that removes the right to make any proprietary versions). I'm actually getting better results with games in newer Wine versions than in Cedega. My points about it not being good for the market still stand, whether the crutch is Wine, Cedega, or Cider.
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I suppose this is good? does this mean no more proprietary os from apple?

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/91665/apple-op...f-mac-os-x.html
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I suppose this is good? does this mean no more proprietary os from apple?

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/91665/apple-op...f-mac-os-x.html

I thnk it's good. It is why I think Apple is starting to understand where the industry is going much better than some "other" companies.

They now make hardware that many more operating systems can run on, and have a somewhat open OS. It's not completely open, but it's better than what they could have done.

I hope that Mac gets a much bigger marketshare with their new directions. It would be good for Mac, *BSD, and Linux, as all of those are MUCH more alike, and porting games between them is cake compared to Windows vs. Anything Else on the Planet :D
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hehe this started out about mac, but now its onto linux!

i dont really understand linux, so i cant put much in. But i do hope that one day the forces of good (Mac, Linux, etc) will band together against the forces of Evil (Windows!.) :P
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LOL yeah me too.
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