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the mercy of god
Topic Started: Mar 12 2006, 02:47 AM (1,065 Views)
Nirako
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Apr 30 2006, 03:41 AM
Who's DA?If your referring to me i made my case that it's not about religion.You see Nirako it's not secular vs religion.Unless you call living in the USA a religion then i guess it is.But the truth of the matter is that it's not. The "war" agaist terrorism was activated by a succesfle plan to take out buildings known world wide.The first bombing on the World Trade Center was back in the mid early 90's but that was a failure of an attempt. The security level for that building was raised but decreased over the years. I can proov my case and point right now. Shall we begin!

One: As for the religious celebrations of holidays that is no war.That is people being a little more considerate to other religious cultures and people of no religion like Xorital. By doing that it has made some christians mad but at this point in time and how the united states is right now.It's becoming more clear and evident that we as a nation is trying to make things more comfortable for people that is not in the mass majority.Such as gay rights,the world god being bleeped out on t.v. and other cautions for people that is different than the overpopulating majority of christians and the like.

Two: "Wars" that are going on is chouch wars.What i mean by that is people is saying what they want about people being gay,Athius (sp?),muslim, and so forth is saying that from their home where they have the right to say what they want .What people are doing who is actually out there trying to make a change is trying to acommendate those who are wrongly and visiously being hated on for one reason or another. You see my friend the camera always what to shine on the wrong instead of the right.They need cutting edge stories and good deeds is just not cutting it these days.So they put the video recorder on the few who is bashing people who are different.

I have more facts that i can proove but I will await your response first.

Sorry about the typo. As for my response, I shall clarify what I meant by the war between the religious and the secular. I meant the conflict of hostility between Christians and atheists, as well as non-Christian theists who take offense to excessive Christian influence in American lifestyle.

1. None of the dilution of Christianity in the public face is unanimous. If that were true, Xorital would never have had the conflict he fought. The minority vote is bitter, and has already started becoming violent.

2. I can't understand a word you're saying here.
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Oh i see you can't understand my way of debating statements.Okay let me start with Christians that hurt people who have a difference in religions is not following what they are trying to implant in others people's head because they are becomng violent. Another point is that you don't hear or see a fight between christians and atheists.But you do hear of conflict in thoughts what you hear is Atheists being tired of people looking at them crazy when they don't believe in god and such.And christians wanting to try and change these people because they think they can help them.These points is conflicting with one another not physical damage. Physical/fights between the two are in small numbers thankfully and the people who do this is few if at all. There is a difference in opionion but that's most of the time as far as it goes if there is any problems at all.

What i was trying to say is that the nation (USA) as a whole is trying to make different people wether they be non religious od other is try to make things more comfortable for those people.Just look at the news Bleeping out the word god on t.v,no more public christmas corols,no more bible references in schools besides history classes,no more religious decorations outside of your house (including your front yard), no more religious plays in schools,private schools for homosexuals only,and other changes to acommendate people that are different.So by saying that it's a war is a wrong statement in my mind to describe what is going on.


Also let me ask you Xorital when you were hit by people were they the same people who talked down to you or were they like the entire town who did this to you?Also do a lot of people treat you like that or just the ones in your nieborhood? If you don't mind me asking that is.
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It was actually the grammar that made it incomprehensible, but this time around I got it. You're basically saying that violent discrimination isn't a problem until it gets too big to contain, and that since the political majority is supporting a particular point of view the minority must logically agree as well and won't do anything to retaliate.
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it happens at school not in my neighborhood, alot and I mean alot of people at my school are either christian,catholic or muslim its eaither one of thos 3, and only a handful is athiest, and im like the only one who expresses what I belive openly (like if someone were to ask what I belive) and I get picked on alot and possibly beaten up and sometimes people throw bibles at me and try to make me read them.
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May 1 2006, 08:26 AM
It was actually the grammar that made it incomprehensible, but this time around I got it. You're basically saying that violent discrimination isn't a problem until it gets too big to contain, and that since the political majority is supporting a particular point of view the minority must logically agree as well and won't do anything to retaliate.

Nope. I wasn't talking about violent behavior being a non problem untill it gets big. What i was saying is that you make it out to be a big number of people YOU said a WAR between the Seculer and Religious. A war is huge amount of people fighting over something. I was coming to the defense to say it's not a war and it's not as bad as you make it try to seem.By no way Shape or form am I saying it's right and that's it's only a problem when it gets out of control. And you also haven't even mentioned the fact that we are trying to make things more easy for people who are different. You are implying that there is a religious WAR i'm taking your words and using it's meaning for what it is and i'm saying that there is no religious war. It almost seems that you are looking at the wrong and turning a blind eye at steps to try and make things better. I'm basing my points off what is evident and that you can actually see and hear. I'm not trying to just trying to vioce my opionion,but i'm trying to show you that things is not how you depict them. Be alittle fair about things and don't just turn a blind eye tothings that are trying to be done. All i'm saying is don't disregaurd all the good that is being done,and try to make it out as wrong over weights the good.


Also this is going on in Xorital's school buddy.Where during highschool years kids can be real a holes.t should not even reach out to the school but it is teenagers who are doing this. This is teenagers who are being disrespectful not the adults and hopefully the kids will change in the farther down the road in their lives.

Xorital have things gotten any better? And have you tried to tell some one how the other kids treat you?


Sorry about the bad grammer but i'v been having some off days with typing lately.
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I stand by my statement that it is a war, as does dictionary.com. Large quantites have nothing to do with it, so long as it is violent and prolonged. I'm sorry about the pessimism, but I am basing my points on what I see IRL, not what the most recent court case on censorship determined.

Wait a second. Are you saying that what happened to Xorital is justified because it wasn't done by adults?
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of course I havnt told anyone most of the admitistraters are probly christian and my parents are christian too, I told my parents and they told me to take thos kids advice, and with the admitistrators id rather not take my chances (im like in a freaken chrsitian school....not really....but most people at my school are christian)
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May 2 2006, 08:13 AM
I stand by my statement that it is a war, as does dictionary.com. Large quantites have nothing to do with it, so long as it is violent and prolonged. I'm sorry about the pessimism, but I am basing my points on what I see IRL, not what the most recent court case on censorship determined.

Wait a second. Are you saying that what happened to Xorital is justified because it wasn't done by adults?

All the examples i named happened where i lived so i'm not just talkng about what is seen on T.V. or heard this actually happened where i live so yeah that's why i said it. I haven't seen anyone get hit or violnce break out where i live or in the places i'v been. I know it's out there and is being commited wrongfully but the words you typed make it seemed like it was every where and it that people was just over lookng it. But you know i respect what you think and you are intitled to look at things in your own way. Plus you speak up on what you think is going on. In all reality you are wrong. I'm wrong as well. It is just what we think,it's seperate so there is really no reason for us to bicker on about what we think is going on.

On the second comment no that's not what i was saying. What i was saying is that it was done by Teenagers not adults. Teenagers are still young and can change their ways easier than adults.With Adults if they treat people like that,they usually think it is right and won't change no matter what other people say. With younger people it is a chance that they will relize what they have been doing and change. Maybe because they themselfs relize what they have been doing or if some one teachs them that that type of behavior is wrong.

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May 3 2006, 06:06 AM
On the second comment no that's not what i was saying. What i was saying is that it was done by Teenagers not adults. Teenagers are still young and can change their ways easier than adults.With Adults if they treat people like that,they usually think it is right and won't change no matter what other people say. With younger people it is a chance that they will relize what they have been doing and change. Maybe because they themselfs relize what they have been doing or if some one teachs them that that type of behavior is wrong.

Look at what Xorital said. His own parents are on their side. They aren't going to learn what they're doing is wrong unless someone fights back.
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May 2 2006, 05:21 PM
of course I havnt told anyone most of the admitistraters are probly christian and my parents are christian too, I told my parents and they told me to take thos kids advice, and with the admitistrators id rather not take my chances (im like in a freaken chrsitian school....not really....but most people at my school are christian)

Wow that's sad. Maybe you might want to get around a little more. There's a lot of people out there that are willing to be your friend and don't care about what religion you are. I know i don't care and i would like to be your friend.
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I got lots of freinds and only like 3 of them are religious...but yea, thanks id like to be your freind too
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May 3 2006, 08:09 AM
Look at what Xorital said. His own parents are on their side. They aren't going to learn what they're doing is wrong unless someone fights back.

Xorital said that Her parents (Xorital is a girl i think) is on their side. Not that her parents is hitting her for being atheist. They probley want her to be religious like they are. That's Xorital's parents and i can't judge them because i don't know them personally and i don't know the facts. You know as much as i do so well you get the piont. Besides like i said i'm not trying to continue this because this is headed to become more than just a debate and that is your opionion and what you blieve. And this is my opionion with what i see around me and what i notice.
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May 3 2006, 04:19 PM
I got lots of freinds and only like 3 of them are religious...but yea, thanks id like to be your freind too

That's good that you have lots of friends. Xorital do your parents know that they are hitting you?Or do they just know that they have thrown bibles at you?And i look forward to being your friend.
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yea they do they tell me to folow their influence...and im a guy XD
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Have you ever considered fighting back? Contradict their beliefs with logical arguments, or match them punch for punch if you're willing to face the punishment.
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Thats the bad thing about me...im too nice to hurt them
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May 4 2006, 07:13 PM
Thats the bad thing about me...im too nice to hurt them

You're too nice to hurt people, they attack people with different beliefs, and they claim they're going to get into an afterlife that rewards good behavior. I don't see it happening.
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thats the irony of it all lol
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May 4 2006, 10:51 PM
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May 4 2006, 07:13 PM
Thats the bad thing about me...im too nice to hurt them

You're too nice to hurt people, they attack people with different beliefs, and they claim they're going to get into an afterlife that rewards good behavior. I don't see it happening.

i dont think you seem to understand their point of view. Put it this way. If somone you loved was not on the right track, in your prespective, and if they stayed on that course they would burn in hell for eternity, wouldnt you insists and not give up on trying to fix their ways? good behavior has nothing to do with trying to save people. Even if you did "hit them with logic" it wouldnt work, b/c with all the logic you could throw at them, Faith prevails, they wouldn't care..infact alot of logic supports them aswell, didnt they just find another gospel?

also. If everyone was to "respect others beliefs" their would never be any conversion..and thats not about to happen, in the eyes of others they would like to see more people go to heaven or, nirivana or what ever it is ..especially if they know somone who they clearly think will not. Yes I think people should respect beliefes, their should be limits as to how far you can annoy somone with your opinion..but I think they have a right to present it to you, and you to actually hear them out...
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iv been a christian before so I know what its like, when I was younger everything was god or jesus but after a while it came clear to my personal logic that god doesnt exist and christianity is wrong and if im wrong by some means then ill accept going to hell because im not gonna live forever with some god that created such a f**ked up world, id hate to meet him...
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