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Suicide/Cutting/Depression
Topic Started: Apr 11 2006, 11:21 PM (716 Views)
xPanic
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Actually Envy, I hate to contradict your point but suicide is the second highest cause for death in America. There is a teen suicide about every 45 seconds and a normal suicide about every 15. Also the majority of suicides are not infact 'rich kids who think they've got it hard when they've got it made' its Homosexuals,the Elderly, and Gifted teens. The most likely to attempt suicide are women and girls although they're more prone to call out for help and be stopped. The reasons behind a suicide or self mutilation are often as complex or more so then the raging feelings behind them, not always depression mind you.

Someone who's suicidal is trapped in a dark void, they mostly enterpret anything said as said about or against them, that any kindness or attempt to help is pity/superficial. Suicide is not such an easy battle to win as "Dont do it." It is the same if not worse as doing drugs. The clinics to help suicidals often make them feel even more isolated and insecure, especially in a teen scene. Often they deny needing such help, even if they want it, they deny or regard attention to the subject, or any attention at all as being 'negative attention' or superficial/less then everyone else. They don't like to be "shrinked" and are actually correct when they say "no body understands me". Although in most cases this is due to either neglect (self or outwardly) or the inability to let anyone understand by pushing them away and closing up. They can't handle anymore pain or stress then they already deal with and still support or maintain their emotions or appearance. They can't connect with the natural independant love, often falling in love or turning to this. Suicidals are also often paranoid, and have many phobias dealing with themselves and the world around them. They fear seperation and abandonment, as well as dying. The majority of suicides really aren't always 'oh hurray I'm going to die' as they hold the knife. The happy contented mask they put on before a suicide only shows how serious they are...not that they don't fear death.

Suicidals often also put on many other masks to 'please the world', and keep up a 'normal' image. The boundries they set for these masks can be as elaborate or simple as they desire. The standards they set for maintaining these masks are extremely high, inhuman, and often almost impossible. One the mask shatters they will not open up and let it spew out, often suicidals are very controled or over controlled people, the other type the ones who feel that invisible knife against their wrists because they can't stand the pain, they wont wait to die after the illusions shatter. Many times, all breaking someones masks and illusions do , is prove to them how pathetic and broken up they are on the inside, it proves their points. So before anyone goes ahead and..thinks they understand every suicide, or every reason- choose your words and think it through, a suicidal reading this thread, who's still going through it might feel a serious self esteem drop at the bluntness and lack of consideration many people post with.

Example 1.

Your POV.

"Suicide and self mutiliation are pointless and not worth it in my opinion."

Suicidal's POV.

"I'm pointless and worthless to peopel who don't even know me...."


Example Conversation 1. a.

"I want to die, there's no point in living anymore."

'Why?'

"Because I'm worthless,and pathetic.."

'No your not.'

"Don't lie to me like everyone else."

'I'm not , I want to help.'

"why?"

'Because I care about you.'

"No one cares about me "

' Yes we do.'

"I don't wan to talk about it anymore alright, f**k off."

'Ok we can talk about something else...'



^ The above points being,

1. Think before you speak
2.Suicides will not just open up to you the minute you try to help, it takes time and most times what you say is unsatisfactory to them.
3.It takes CONSTANT effort, screwing up is almost paralell to signing a death warrent. Taking anger out on them after a bad day can null any progess or trust between you. Even if they say "its ok" and act relatively normal, chances are they took every stressed out word to heart, and their mind has either twisted it or taken it bluntly despite the fact that you didn;t mean it.
4. Suicidals and self mutilators are not stupid. Suicide often results in OVER-THINKING and on a different and harsher scale. When you say they don't take into consideration the love and care and people around them you forgot your own crucial point.

They. Believe. No. One. Cares. Or. Ever. Will.

That is not underthinking. It's thinking based off of mounds of information that brings them to the point they're at. At such a point, of being so broken, who wouldn't physically NEED attention. Not crave, not want, NEED. They need emotional connection, need it like breathing. At the point where they're at, telling them about the worse off people, that death is pointless, and giving them all the reasons they should live. Fall pointless and do more harm then good.

5. Talking from expierience is right...to a point. Every depression, suicide and mutilation is different. They're three different things, comparing them beside each other is one thing, comparing them to how you live your life if you're not a suicidal/depressed/cutter or have never researched or considered the motivations. Even empathsized how that must feel, is a completely different story.Everyone lives their lives different, with different prioritys and expectations.
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Xorital
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I use to be the same way so I can relate alot with what your saying, I prevented a few of my freinds from doing things, iv prevented 1 suicide and 1 cutting and thats it, my other freinds that are that way dont really listen, they dont understand that I do understand them cause iv been down that road and iv been through worse than some of them....its really sad and I wish I could help them.


And the whole thing about not wanting to be ''shrinked'' I can REALLY REALLY relate to that
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Krazydog
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Ahh yeah, if you want to attempt suicide, making you become isolated in a room with a d*** psychiatrist just shows that everyone is either A. Afraid of you, or what you would do, or B. Something's wrong with you.

<_< Putting them through that is adding fuel to the fire. Now you feel even more terrible and paranoid.
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I traded my soul for Pudding xD.
And I sold my sanity on Ebay =P $2.50 Talk about crazy deals!!!

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Dread
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I can relate to the shrink thing as well.

One time, last year, my teachers found one of my incredibly dark, and depressing poems. I was then sent to my guidance conciliar for about 3 peroids during school.
And, I wanted to cry for pretty much the whole time. I was so afraid about them finding out. I was, however, able to lie my way out of the situation and not have to go to some shrink. Thank God.

But the whole lesson taught me never to write poems in school ever again.
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Xorital
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yea during the year this one girl read something on my elftown (chat site, kinda like myspace) and she came bursting into 1st period saying stuff like, ''omg langdon I heard you were gonna commit suicide!!! whats wrong?! what happened?!'' and that scared the piss out of me because I was thinking of doing it the night before which is why I wrote down my goodbyes to everyone but then decided not to do it because something...someone else came to my mind (whi Iam dating now ^.^) and stoped myself, and the teacher heard her screams and sent me to the guidence office, and like you I was able to lie my way out of it.
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Don't get me wrong psychiatry often times helps. Medication on the other hand doesnt...thats the problem with pyschiatrists today, all they do is give you medication. Also..thats a problem with schools. To me atleast, it shouldnt matter if you dont feel hapy as long as you get the work done. Now a days however...everyones depressed. I really don't understand that. Depression is certainly reasonable, but the number of people being diagnosed is ridiculus.
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I hate it doctors subscribing ''happy'' pills so people stop being depressed if I had to take thos id kill myself no questions ask, I honestly think shrinks makes things worse, I think the depressed person needs to talk to someone like a freind to make them feel better, thats what helps me
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And if they have no friends? I guess thats situation based then
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I actually just pulled myself out of depression. I never told anyone of my friends I was depressed last year or anything. I just stopped caring about anyone's opinion about me. I still slip back and forth sometimes, but very rarely, and it is usually very brief.

However, I still have a single effect that depression causes. And that effect is that I'm still paranoid with people. For example, if someone from a totally different social group came up and started talking to me, I would start thinking, 'What does he or she want?' or 'Bet their friends told them to come up and talk to me.' Or, in other words, it caused me not to trust people anymore. A good/bad effect, I guess.
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im exacly the same way 0.0
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