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| DinoFlame | Mar 9 2017, 04:41 PM Post #2761 |
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God-King of Eldorado
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Yeah, removing the PSS is honestly the one change I can say didn't make sense. It was so nice to be able to just have it turned on while you were hatching eggs so you weren't just doing nothing while you looked for opponents. Besides which, the whole aesthetic of the Plaza feels very off for Alola. In Kalos it would have been perfect (aesthetically), but it's almost alien is design to the rest of the game. On the subject of Z-Moves though, personally I have to disagree with you. Your assessment of their strengths and weakness is mostly spot on, although you do overlook and/or ignore that z-status moves exist and that some of them can be pretty good. I mean this only as critique, but I think the problem here might be more with your learning curve of how to use them. Not every Pokemon makes a good Z-move user, and that's what your Landorus example strikes me as. If it's such a big issue to run Fly and have it hold a z-crystal, then maybe you should either be using a different move or a different z-crystal, or you shouldn't be using a z-crystal on Landorus at all. Not knowing what set your running or what sort of team there's not much more I can say, but that's how I'd analyze the information you have provided. Regardless, a battle is something I would be very much up for! I'll need to dust of my in-game team and tweak a few things *coughFlaseSwipeDecidueyecough*, but it would be doable. EDIT: Alright, my guys are all set. I'd probably be able to battle sometime later tonight, if that suits you. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| DarkGricer | Mar 9 2017, 05:03 PM Post #2762 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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I'm not talking about Z moves based solely on what I have done. Flynium Z Landorus-T is actuslly a pretty popular and viable set under Smogon rules. A STAB 175 BP move coming off a Landorus-T can obliterate many of its usual checks and counters. It's simply that I, on a personal level, dislike how it means that for the remainder of the game, your item does nothing and you are likely stuck with a sub-par move, given that Z-Moves are usually used in order to overcome pokemon that otherwise check or counter the pokemon using the Z-Move because whatever coverage that pokemon has that is super effective against the check/counter is simply not good enough to use otherwise. And yes, status moves are a thing, but no one would ever use Hypnosis or Conversion without a Z-crystal. Sure, some of the status moves, like Parting Shot, that are good with a Z-move are usefull on their own, but in the majority of cases, not so much. And even then, if you weren't using that Z-move, you could use some other item to benefit you. Typically, the only status moves that are commonly used with a Z-Crystal are bad moves in competitive otherwise. And yeah, definitely gonna need to replace False Swipe on my Lurantis as well. Edit because ninja edit: Sounds good. |
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| DinoFlame | Mar 9 2017, 05:19 PM Post #2763 |
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Okay, yeah, I get what you're saying. I'd say it's not much different than the choice between stuff like Flamethrower vs Fire Blast. Power Vs. Reliability. If you decide to use it then that's the risk you take. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| Fleeshstar | Mar 9 2017, 05:27 PM Post #2764 |
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What did Flish Shake Even Mean
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Personally in my competitive teams I avoid Z moves with a few exceptions (Z-Conversion, for example) because I think being reliable in a game with so many cheap RNG based stuff is important. If Pokemon wasn't so RNG reliant, Z-crystals would probably be a lot better. |
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| DinoFlame | Mar 9 2017, 06:56 PM Post #2765 |
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I'm not sure less RNG would truly do that much for z-moves. If anything, it almost gives them more viability in some cases since they ignore evasion and accuracy. The drawback of Z-moves will always be the one time use and lack of other item, regardless of how many hax are or aren't involved. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| DarkGricer | Mar 9 2017, 07:22 PM Post #2766 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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BTW, ready when you are. |
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Proud player of: ----------------- ------------------ Mazeer Swiftfoot Beikarahenki - --------- Goliath Fighter ---------- ---------------- -------------------------- Thorin Kirreval ---------- ------- Dragonborn Paladin ------- ----------------- -------------------------------- Alson --------------- --------- Oddball Wizard --------- ----------------- -------------------------- Fafnir Goldheart --------- ------- Hill Dwarf Barbarian ------- ----------------- ------------------------- Shayle Amberwood -------- ------- Human Psycho Binder ------- 3DS Friend code: 0447-6294-9656 Wins: 21 Loses: 13 Ties: 4 Writer of the Battle of the Maze. Battles written: 36 Missions written: 3 Number of battles/missions featuring Tyrannotank written: 7 Number of battles/missions featuring Carnotherisaurus written: 7 Credits: 18550 Creature Coupons: 0 Creatures: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Inherited/Bought: ![]() Upcoming Creatures: Legion, Vucub Caquix, Zipacna, Cabrakan, Thanatos EEC critters: Dragon's Den Gigantoctopodus Vrachotherium
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| DinoFlame | Mar 9 2017, 07:32 PM Post #2767 |
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I should be ready around 8 hopefully. Just having supper first. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| DarkGricer | Mar 9 2017, 08:39 PM Post #2768 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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Apparently internet connection doesn't want us to have this battle. |
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Proud player of: ----------------- ------------------ Mazeer Swiftfoot Beikarahenki - --------- Goliath Fighter ---------- ---------------- -------------------------- Thorin Kirreval ---------- ------- Dragonborn Paladin ------- ----------------- -------------------------------- Alson --------------- --------- Oddball Wizard --------- ----------------- -------------------------- Fafnir Goldheart --------- ------- Hill Dwarf Barbarian ------- ----------------- ------------------------- Shayle Amberwood -------- ------- Human Psycho Binder ------- 3DS Friend code: 0447-6294-9656 Wins: 21 Loses: 13 Ties: 4 Writer of the Battle of the Maze. Battles written: 36 Missions written: 3 Number of battles/missions featuring Tyrannotank written: 7 Number of battles/missions featuring Carnotherisaurus written: 7 Credits: 18550 Creature Coupons: 0 Creatures: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Inherited/Bought: ![]() Upcoming Creatures: Legion, Vucub Caquix, Zipacna, Cabrakan, Thanatos EEC critters: Dragon's Den Gigantoctopodus Vrachotherium
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| DinoFlame | Mar 9 2017, 08:41 PM Post #2769 |
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Apparently not. We'll have to try another time, then. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| Fleeshstar | Mar 9 2017, 08:44 PM Post #2770 |
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What did Flish Shake Even Mean
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It means you can't just use a Z-move and then go and use something genuinely super powerful with a 100% chance of it working in your favor. Why go for a Z-status move and then using hydro pump and have a moderate chance of missing when you can go and use Hydro Pump/Wide Lense? You may be able to do more damage with the Z-crystal but your chances of missing are greater unless you use up another move slot such as gravity or have compound eyes (the first one is a lost move slot and the second is an uncommon ability not found on any particularly good Pokes meaning to get it on a pokemon that can use it relatively well requires even more setup) which on most sweepers can be pretty risky, especially without an item after using up your Z-Crystal, and the actual offensive Z-moves are OK but there not particularly outstanding enough to warrant usage over a status Z-move. |
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| DarkGricer | Mar 9 2017, 08:48 PM Post #2771 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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Perhaps we will. Quite dissapointed that in the 4 times of trying, my Crabominable never got an opportunity to be sent out. Fighting/Ice is such a horrendous defensive typing, especially when faced with a scarfed Braviary. But seriously, I just wanted to use Incineroar's Z-Move and then sweep you after getting some flame charges.
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Proud player of: ----------------- ------------------ Mazeer Swiftfoot Beikarahenki - --------- Goliath Fighter ---------- ---------------- -------------------------- Thorin Kirreval ---------- ------- Dragonborn Paladin ------- ----------------- -------------------------------- Alson --------------- --------- Oddball Wizard --------- ----------------- -------------------------- Fafnir Goldheart --------- ------- Hill Dwarf Barbarian ------- ----------------- ------------------------- Shayle Amberwood -------- ------- Human Psycho Binder ------- 3DS Friend code: 0447-6294-9656 Wins: 21 Loses: 13 Ties: 4 Writer of the Battle of the Maze. Battles written: 36 Missions written: 3 Number of battles/missions featuring Tyrannotank written: 7 Number of battles/missions featuring Carnotherisaurus written: 7 Credits: 18550 Creature Coupons: 0 Creatures: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Inherited/Bought: ![]() Upcoming Creatures: Legion, Vucub Caquix, Zipacna, Cabrakan, Thanatos EEC critters: Dragon's Den Gigantoctopodus Vrachotherium
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| DinoFlame | Mar 9 2017, 09:13 PM Post #2772 |
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God-King of Eldorado
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Yeah, I kind of got that impression. ![]() If you got Araquanid out of the way I really wouldn't have had anything to stop you from that sweep, honestly. On the flip side, Scarfed Braviary had such a good match up against your team too. Lycanroc and Inceroar both get wreck by Superpower, and everything else you had does not take kindly to Bird-Spam. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| kingcobrasaurus | Jun 7 2017, 06:52 AM Post #2773 |
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Be excellent to each other.
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ICYMI: Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon Defying rumors of a Switch-compatible "Stars" version, it appears that instead they're taking the generation 5 route and putting out sequels...just a year after the release of the first games. I guess I'll have to wait another year to hype about the Sinnoh remakes (and then cry foul when they come out and there are no Mega evolutions for the starters because they left that behind in gen 6) |
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| DinoFlame | Jun 7 2017, 07:27 AM Post #2774 |
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Hey, haven't seen you in a while! ![]() I can't complain about them not being on the Switch, since I rather prefer not having to buy a new system for one game. My opinion on all of these rumors for "Stars" has generally been "I'll believe it when I see it", so the fact that it hasn't come to pass doesn't surprise me that much. It certainly does surprise me what we did get, as it seems much too soon IMO for sequels or any other sort of remake of Sun/Moon if it's still on the 3ds. Then again, ever since Gen 5, Pokemons' MO seems to be to break their old cycles and release games that weren't expected. In Gen 5 we got sequels for the first time, and then instead of the Gen 3 remakes we were expecting, we went right on into Gen 6. This time we did get the remakes we had expected to see during Gen 5, but when we were expecting "Z Version", instead we got Gen 7 and Sun and Moon. Really not much to say about the Ultras since we haven't seen much, but I do think they could prove interesting. One nitpick I had with Sun/Moon was that it seemed like the UltraSpace part of the storyline was short and largely unexplored. Considering the names, I would consider the odds to be at least decent that we'll see more. |
ToD Level-Up Status: 7/8 3DS FC: 4356-0410-5185 Credits: 89,500 Monsters: Pachysailosaurus, Sadaptoren, Raptagian, Carnosaurus, Gastoxic, Paladonstrum, Molick, Floraptor, Politisk, Goragon, Balalisto, Autoris, Wintarcus, Aquavenus, Torvofelis, Chelonosuchus, Dazzlewurm, Drakhaos, Insequs, Dracoceras, Mercury, Terra, Chess Spider, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Stonewrecker, Jupiter, EEC: Pterohynus, Vulakat, Creature Concepts: The Planets/Roman Gods (Mercury*, Venus*, Terra*, Mars*, Jupiter*, Saturn*, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) The Norse Gods(Thor, Loki, Odin) Ultimate Leviathan, Mammalian Dragon, Black Hunter Whale(Venatorcetus), Summanus, Remakes (Klog, Komodoking) | |
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| Clockwork | Jun 7 2017, 06:05 PM Post #2775 |
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DEUS VULT
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The dumbest names for a video game I have ever heard. This is their chance to rectify everything I hate about SM. My hopes are not high that they will do so. |
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