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Feathered Megalosaurid Found
Topic Started: Jul 2 2012, 08:08 PM (1,338 Views)
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I highly doubt Spinosauruids would have feathers. They wouldn't do much more than get in the way. Remember that most feathered Dinosaurs, including this one, had proto feathers, useless of much more than display.
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Tell that to Penguins, Unelagiines, And all other diving birds.

Also, most dinosaurs, including all modern species, are maniraptorans, which have true feathers. There are far more modern species than extinct species.
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We know of more than a thousand total non-avian dinosaurs, which, compared to that, is indeed the minority. Except you're forgetting something. We don't know all of the non-avian dinosaurs. Do you honestly think that the primary group that ruled the earth for 135 million years only had a bit more than 1k species? We know more birds because we have birds alive, but in the long run they still aren't most dinosaurs, just most known dinosaurs.
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Flishstar,Jul 3 2012
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Tell that to Penguins, Unelagiines, And all other diving birds.

Also, most dinosaurs, including all modern species, are maniraptorans, which have true feathers. There are far more modern species than extinct species.

1: Apparently, you skipped the word "Proto".
2: Flish, Flish, Flish. There's no proof, or even evidence to suggest that large Theropods, like Spinosaurus, had feathers. Yutyrannus likely lived in a could environment, and scientists think that the feathered specimen found had a winter coat when it died. Chances are that during the summer time, Yutyrannus did not have feathers, or at least, no advanced feathers for isolation and stuff.

I know you think of most, if not all, Theropods as feathered, but there's no evidence to suggest all theropods where feathered.

And of course, as Clocky said, there are more known modern species than known extinct species, which is logical, as not every dead creature fossilizes.
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Your basis to why they would loose their feathers? You don't have one. They have no reason to loose them, as they're far better insulators than fur and are far less likely to overheat.

Also Protofeathers are not a real term. They're just feathers that have less branching than modern feathers.

Also, if we're going by mammals and calling them the "dominant" animals of the time (which they weren't, they were being outcompeted by azdarchids and crocodylomorphs by the end of the Cretaceous) There should only be about 5,000-6,000 species.
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Ah. So they would need them to prevent overheating?

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If Theropods needed feathers, so would other Dinosaurs.

If Dinosaurs where cold blooded, they wouldn't need isolation. If they where warm blooded, which they likely where, they wouldn't need it either.

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Look at this skull. It has a hole for the eyes, for the nose, the ear, and... Another one?

Hmmm... What could it be? Perhaps it was covered with a thin pack of skin that allowed heat to escape their bodies rather easily. Naah! Let's just put feathers on it instead!

If anything didn't need feathers, it's Spinosaurus, who happens to be a Theropod. If it gets hot, it can just go fro a swim. Display feathers wouldn't be likely on it either. They would create to much drag. And who needs them when you've already got a giant sail on your back?

Just because we find ONE feathered Megalosaurid (Who just happens to be a hatchling.) doesn't mean all theropods where feathered. It is likely that most theropods where feathered when they where young, but when they matured, they would no longer need them.



Last time I checked, Proto feathers are more "Proto" then you're describing them.



Numbers don't matter. Mammals ARE the dominant species today. They are at the top of the food chain in nearly every environment they live in. THAT is dominance. Not numbers.

Also, we aren't even CLOSE to finding every species of Mammal alive today.
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DarkGricer,Jul 4 2012
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Ah. So they would need them to prevent overheating?

All I can say is...

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If Theropods needed feathers, so would other Dinosaurs.

If Dinosaurs where cold blooded, they wouldn't need isolation. If they where warm blooded, which they likely where, they wouldn't need it either.

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Look at this skull. It has a hole for the eyes, for the nose, the ear, and... Another one?

Hmmm... What could it be? Perhaps it was covered with a thin pack of skin that allowed heat to escape their bodies rather easily. Naah! Let's just put feathers on it instead!

If anything didn't need feathers, it's Spinosaurus, who happens to be a Theropod. If it gets hot, it can just go fro a swim. Display feathers wouldn't be likely on it either. They would create to much drag. And who needs them when you've already got a giant sail on your back?

Just because we find ONE feathered Megalosaurid (Who just happens to be a hatchling.) doesn't mean all theropods where feathered. It is likely that most theropods where feathered when they where young, but when they matured, they would no longer need them.



Last time I checked, Proto feathers are more "Proto" then you're describing them.



Numbers don't matter. Mammals ARE the dominant species today. They are at the top of the food chain in nearly every environment they live in. THAT is dominance. Not numbers.

Also, we aren't even CLOSE to finding every species of Mammal alive today.

I'm sorry, you are very mistaken.

Spinosaurus did not, could not, have a sail. Its "Sail" is far too thick and not built like any other animal's sail. It was a muscle hump used for powering its large leg muscles.

Also, most Dinosaurs do have fluff on them. Thyreophorans only lost fluff so they could have armor, and we're not entirely sure why Sauropods lost fluff, but they lost it early on it would seem, before they were large. Same with Hadrosaurs and Iguanodonts. Abelisaurs lost fluff for the same reason as Thyreophorans.

Also, do you think the extra hole might have something to do with them being Diapsids?

Also, based on Thecodontosaurus and a few other specimens, Dinosaurs were in between cold blooded and warm blooded, like xenarthrans. Why do you think giant ground sloths had thick fur?

Also, if we're going to compare protofeathers to fur, lets use mammals as examples. Otters have very thick fur, and they're streamline.

Come back when you understand feathers.

Finally, Unless there's an undiscovered continent invisible from space, I highly doubt there are many more mammals to find.
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It is you who is mistaken. Spinosaurus did not have super wide dorsal spines. They could've supported a sail. In fact, if it was a hump, or a muscle anchor, it wouldn't be able to live. Chances are the 21 ton estimate would be average if they did have a giant muscle anchor/hump. With a weight like that, it would crush itself.

Also, did you notice it's sail is quite similar to Dimetrodon's? Now don't you tell me Dimetrodon's sail was a giant muscle anchor.

Don't tell me it's similar to a Bison's muscle anchor either, because it's not. (BTW: I said that while looking at actual pictures of their skeletons.)

And then there's this other thing. It was something like "T.rex has the largest leg muscles of all Theropods known.". Scientists KNOW what they're talking about.



Ok. How do you know that? Did you travel back in time and see real Dinosaurs with fluff? I don't think so. And a row of little osteoderms is no tank armor at all, and definitely not a reason to lose your entire feather covering.




Then how do you explain that not a single living Diapsid has it? Definitely not because the Mesozoic Earth was warmer than Earth today.




Oh really? No, not really. Most of these animals are not what you can call, super active.

Compare that to Dinosaurs...

04:11-05:00

Like a Xenarthra, huh? Totally.




Most feathered non avian Dinosaurs have primitive feathers. Especially those that aren't that closely related to birds. That includes things like Tyrannosaurids. What makes you think Spinosaurus would have feathers as advanced as a modern Birds?




Unless I made a mistake, not all mammals are Elephant sized. Chances are we know only 60% of all existing mammals.





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No. Seriously. Spinosaurus has wide neural spines that are clearly anchoring something. The tip is flat, like a bison or Ouranosaurus (and unlike Dimetrodon), which we know had a hump. Also, Spinosaurus is semiaquatic, it wouldn't have as much of a problem. Also, what's your basis That it would make it too heavy? Its just muscle, and, as we've gone over, the current weight estimates need to be revised.

Also birds are Diapsids. They have it.
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Also birds are Diapsids. They have it.

Birds are also dinosaurs, in case you forgot. Saying "dinosaurs have it because its a diapsid trait" & "it's a diapsid trait because dinosaurs have it" doesn't make much sense, logically.
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*Facepalm* Look at how the spines come out of the back and how far they go up. Do you honestly think they would need THAT much muscle? The sail also goes over the arms, they wouldn't have needed that much muscle in their arms.

And about the hump thing. dinosaurs was semi-aquatic. Ouranosaurus wasn't. IT wasn't a combat machine either. It can't escape its predators by running at a speed of 10 MPH, which would be reasonable if it had a hump that big.

And then there's the thing that Spinosaurus, as you said, was SEMI-aquatic. Not fully. IT would still need to go on land. If you combine a heavyweight body with the recent discovery that Spinosaurus didn't have very long legs, it's not gonna be able to stand well, if it can at all.

It's just muscle/fat indeed. That's why. Adding that much extra muscle is going to increase your weight drastically. Not good when you're something like a Spinosaurus. And when you add so much fat, it doesn't even help a little bit with standing.

Since when? You say T.rex is 5 tons. I say it's 7-9 tons. You say Spinosaurus is umm... Umm... Did you ever say anything about it's weight, because I can't remember if you ever did. Anyway, I say it was 12-14 tons. My mind shall not change unless scientist say so to. To me, the current weight estimates are practically as accurate as they can be. You can argue, but it likely won't change my mind.



Where? I can see eye and nose? But no ear or fourth hole. That really makes me think where their ear is.

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