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Ampicoelias' size incorrectly estimated
Topic Started: Feb 8 2013, 09:49 AM (562 Views)
DarkGricer
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Today I was just looking around on a forum I'm on. Now, I found an interesting topic about Ampicoelias' size being incorrectly estimated.

I know what you're thinking. "We all saw it coming. 60 meters IS realy, realy big."

Guess what. According to correct calculations, big old Amphy was actually bigger.

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In his paper Carpenter says he simply scaled up Diplodocus c.'s vertebra to 2.7 meters. The only problem is that he used the dimensions from Seismosaurus for diplodocus's vert, but said the length of Diplodocus was only 26.25 meters. This small mistake of recording diplodocus's vert as 1.22 meters instead of .946 meters has lead to the widespread belief that Amphicoelias was 60 meters long and 120 tons in weight. In reality using carpenter's method with the correct numbers we get, 2.7/.946=2.864. 2.854x26.25 meters=75 meters long. Also 2.856^3=23.2. 23.2x12 tons=278 tons.


A quote from Zach Armstrong on the subject. (note, he uses a 11.5 ton Diplodocus)

I’m not sure where Carpenter got his mass and length estimates–since he says he basically says he just scaled it up isometrically. A 2.7 meter tall vertebra is 2.79 (270 cm/96.6 cm=2.79)times as tall as the D10 in D. carnegii which means a length of 69.75 meters if D. carnegii was 25 meters long or 73.23 meters if it was 26.25 meters like Carpenter assumes. A resulting mass estimate should then be 247.38 tonnes (2.79^3=21.7; 21.7*11.4 tonnes=247.38 tonnes)!

And this is assuming it was the 10th dorsal! What if it was the 9th? Scaling the vertebrae, we get 270/94.6=2.85; 2.85^3=23.14; 23.14*11.4
tonnes=263.79 tonnes!

Adding intravetebral cartilage, which accounts for ~10% of the body lengths of most birds and reptiles, increases the dimensions even more.

These estimates are backed by scientific methods, and are the best way we have of guessing Amphicoelias's dimensions.


Clocky, I demand you increase the HP and damage of the Amphicoelias card, right now.
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Quick question: Why didn't you post this on CB instead?
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I figured most of the people on CB are also on Genome.
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But we don't have an 'aslo' on Genome.

lol jk. Interesting...
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DF, I DEMAND YOU INCREASE THE MAX SIZE FOR CREATURES TO 250 MINIMUM :P

Anyways, good find, though I'd like some citations.
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Found another neat thingy about the same thing, with the same result right here.
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DarkGricer,Feb 8 2013
09:49 AM
I demand you increase the HP and damage of the Amphicoelias card, right now.

*Punches DG*

Let's not and say we did.
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Superdude327,Feb 9 2013
09:14 PM
DarkGricer,Feb 8 2013
09:49 AM
I demand you increase the HP and damage of the Amphicoelias card, right now.

*Punches DG*

Let's not and say we did.

He's just going to trade it in and get the STORMY ONE
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IsaacNewton101,Feb 9 2013
09:17 PM
Superdude327,Feb 9 2013
09:14 PM
DarkGricer,Feb 8 2013
09:49 AM
I demand you increase the HP and damage of the Amphicoelias card, right now.

*Punches DG*

Let's not and say we did.

He's just going to trade it in and get the STORMY ONE

WE CANNOT LET HIM HAVE IT!
Curious as the Chicken
Superdude, big brother to Happyred

Duk A weird duck called Duk.
Lewis My angry British voice.

Monsters:

Gerranous GERBIL-CHICKEN-GRIFFON/The Sun Lord
Waterunner Jesusaur
Hill Turtle Detonator
Sand Shark Tremors
Tyrager Brainirex
Madcow Mad Cow Disease
Woolly Caterpillar Murderous Rage
Skullmunkey & Skullker Starvation and Vampirism
Lesser Gerranous Dwarf
Bassius Thunder
Tadrannah Tadpole Sharks
Greater Gerranous Goliath
Cryptolepidavenator desmondiiThe Hidden Blade
Keelhead Grond
Heikani Titanshell & Dannouran Yureel Ghost in the Shell

Pet Monsters:

Barred Hawk Wolves of the Sky
Pidganha Sky Terror/Love Dove
Dermintine Blur Wolves
Mega-Gerbil Powerhouse
Roosterock Apocalypse
Shepardax Quickdraw

Acronym Monsters:

Excalibur The Sword
Mjölnir The Hammer
Gungnir The Spear
Aegis The Sheild

The Four Lords:

Zotzotherium Lord of the Sky/Zotz
Setotherium Lord of the Earth/Set
Oceaos Lord of the Water/Typhoon
Vulcanis Lord of the Fire/Surtr

Creature Concepts

Monsters:
Trontine, Turkolophus, SwordLions, Compurster & Fungorst, Snapperwhip, Creeping Death, Saber-tooth Camel, Casteroids, Endokorus, 'Dementia


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Superdude327,Feb 9 2013
09:14 PM
DarkGricer,Feb 8 2013
09:49 AM
I demand you increase the HP and damage of the Amphicoelias card, right now.

*Punches DG*

Let's not and say we did.

U jelly?
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-------- Shayle Amberwood --------
------- Human Psycho Binder -------

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A LITTLE PAIN NEVER HURT ANYBODY!


DinoFlame
 
@DG:
Dashing through the snow~
On a broken ski~
Over the hills I go~
Smashing into trees!
Now the snow is red~
And I'm almost dead~
Now I'm in the hospital~
With stitches in my head! :rolleyes:  :P
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IsaacNewton101,Feb 9 2013
09:26 PM
Yes, Super is. I'm just angry.

Super is jealous, Hey! but I'm downright furious! No living creature should ever become that large! It goes against what's phisically possible! *Continues to rant* To the Sun with you, good sir!
Curious as the Chicken
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Duk A weird duck called Duk.
Lewis My angry British voice.

Monsters:

Gerranous GERBIL-CHICKEN-GRIFFON/The Sun Lord
Waterunner Jesusaur
Hill Turtle Detonator
Sand Shark Tremors
Tyrager Brainirex
Madcow Mad Cow Disease
Woolly Caterpillar Murderous Rage
Skullmunkey & Skullker Starvation and Vampirism
Lesser Gerranous Dwarf
Bassius Thunder
Tadrannah Tadpole Sharks
Greater Gerranous Goliath
Cryptolepidavenator desmondiiThe Hidden Blade
Keelhead Grond
Heikani Titanshell & Dannouran Yureel Ghost in the Shell

Pet Monsters:

Barred Hawk Wolves of the Sky
Pidganha Sky Terror/Love Dove
Dermintine Blur Wolves
Mega-Gerbil Powerhouse
Roosterock Apocalypse
Shepardax Quickdraw

Acronym Monsters:

Excalibur The Sword
Mjölnir The Hammer
Gungnir The Spear
Aegis The Sheild

The Four Lords:

Zotzotherium Lord of the Sky/Zotz
Setotherium Lord of the Earth/Set
Oceaos Lord of the Water/Typhoon
Vulcanis Lord of the Fire/Surtr

Creature Concepts

Monsters:
Trontine, Turkolophus, SwordLions, Compurster & Fungorst, Snapperwhip, Creeping Death, Saber-tooth Camel, Casteroids, Endokorus, 'Dementia


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Holy crarp. If clocky modifies the amphy card at Cb were dead.
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Superdude327,Feb 9 2013
09:33 PM
IsaacNewton101,Feb 9 2013
09:26 PM
Yes, Super is. I'm just angry.

Super is jealous, Hey! but I'm downright furious! No living creature should ever become that large! It goes against what's phisically possible! *Continues to rant* To the Sun with you, good sir!

Good thing I'm used to being warm. I guess that happens when you fire a concentrated beam of pure heat every day.
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------- Dragonborn Paladin -------

-----------------Posted Image-----------------
--------------- Alson ---------------
--------- Oddball Wizard ---------

-----------------Posted Image-----------------
--------- Fafnir Goldheart ---------
------- Hill Dwarf Barbarian -------

-----------------Posted Image-----------------
-------- Shayle Amberwood --------
------- Human Psycho Binder -------

3DS Friend code: 0447-6294-9656

Wins: 21
Loses: 13
Ties: 4

Writer of the Battle of the Maze.
Battles written: 36
Missions written: 3
Number of battles/missions featuring Tyrannotank written: 7
Number of battles/missions featuring Carnotherisaurus written: 7

Credits: 18550
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Creatures:

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Inherited/Bought:

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Upcoming Creatures:

Legion, Vucub Caquix, Zipacna, Cabrakan, Thanatos

EEC critters:
Dragon's Den
Gigantoctopodus
Vrachotherium



Me
 
A LITTLE PAIN NEVER HURT ANYBODY!


DinoFlame
 
@DG:
Dashing through the snow~
On a broken ski~
Over the hills I go~
Smashing into trees!
Now the snow is red~
And I'm almost dead~
Now I'm in the hospital~
With stitches in my head! :rolleyes:  :P
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