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Topic Started: Sep 21 2014, 06:06 AM (827 Views)
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DarkGricer,Sep 21 2014
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DarkGricer,Sep 21 2014
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Not really. Even with the added bulk and stuff, I can't see it being heavier then 3.5 tons.

Following the square-cube law and using the upper limits of a komodo dragon as a baseline , a weight of 4.5 tonnes would be normal. Add in 700kg to compensate for the extra muscle, the height and the fact that it is a primarily aquatic animal and as such is less limited by the weight it needs to lug about, and there.

The upper limits of a Komodo Dragon is 3 meters and around 70 kg. This gives a weight of 1.327 tons. I have no idea how you got 4.5 tons. If you want to be generous with the Dragon's weight, you could get 2 tons, but only if you're being generous. Add 700 KG to that and you only have 2.7 tons.

Square-Cube law.

If you increase the length of an object by two, you must increase its area by four, and its volume, and thus its weight, by eight. If you increase the length of the komodo dragon by three, you must increase its surface area by nine, and its volume & weight by twenty-seven.
3=3
3^2=9
3^3=27

As I said, I used the upper bound of Komodo Dragon measurements. 166kg. 166kg x 27 = 4486kg, ~4.5 tonnes.
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I know how the square cube law works. I use it all the time to calculate the weight of creatures. But there's a problem with your calculation, namely the fact that Komodo Dragons do not reach 166 kg (Which would be heavier then a crocodilian of the same length. And Crocodilians are bulkier then monitor lizards), unless they're extremely fat maybe. A fit Komodo Dragon is around 70 kg at maximum. Using the formula you posted with the correct weight, I get around 1.9 tons.
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I know how the square cube law works. I use it all the time to calculate the weight of creatures. But there's a problem with your calculation, namely the fact that Komodo Dragons do not reach 166 kg (Which would be heavier then a crocodilian of the same length. And Crocodilians are bulkier then monitor lizards), unless they're extremely fat maybe. A fit Komodo Dragon is around 70 kg at maximum. Using the formula you posted with the correct weight, I get around 1.9 tons.

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The largest verified wild specimen was 3.13 m (10.3 ft) long and weighed 166 kg (366 lb), including undigested food.


And the average weight for an adult male is between 79 and 91 kg. The 70 number you keep quoting's on the small size for a female.
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Well it seems I was wrong, but there's still an error in what you posted.

First of all, the specimen was OVER 3 meters in length, making the calculation incorrect. And the estimate also included undigested food. Seeing as Komodo Dragons can eat 80% of their own body weight in a single meal, this could HUGELY exaggerate the resulting weight. I mean, 80% of 166 is 132.8. Not that I think we're dealing with 33.2 kg Komodo Dragon here, but you get the point. It could've been only 100 kg, or maybe 150. There's a huge margin of error.

Scaling from a 91 kg, 2.6 meter male, I end up with a weight of 2.6 tons. +700 and you get 3.3 tons.
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Alright, look. Neither of us are going to budge from our respective positions. You're sticking to your guns because you seem to believe that a certain adherence to realism is necessary, and I'm sticking to mine because I feel arguing over the weight of an animal that's impossible in fifteen different ways before getting to the merely unrealistic parts is like saying it's unrealistic for Superman to have X-Ray Vision whilst ignoring the flying, the eye-lasers, the invulnerability, the ice breath, yadda yadda yadda.

You're not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to be able to change yours. Let's just leave it before this escalates into some irritating five page bollocks.

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Frankly I don't think the weight of this thing is big enough of a deal because this is the EEC and not important for the battle.
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So basically, what you're saying is that if you just slap a couple of things on a creature that would be impossible in real life, its weight would be fine, no matter what? Like, I could make a titan that can can use cavitation bubbles on land and make it lighter then Spinymus, and that would make it legal?

No. There's a difference between the weight of a creature and its abilities. On this site, stretching reality to allow for cool flashy abilities is allowed. But there is no reason not to make the weight something realistic. Literally the only way that could give your creature a flashy ability is if you made it either less dense then air, allowing it to float without any special adaptations, or if you made it ludicrously dense, making it suck in creatures like a black hole. Neither of those things are possible, or allowed.

"I don't want to change it" is a really, really bad excuse not to change it. And is there any reason not to change it to be more realistic? As I see, all you're doing by not changing it is saying "Screw the weight wizard".
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We stretch reality beyond its limits by having combinations of animal genes form anything other than a random bunch of peptides screwed together in a petri dish. The way I see it, you're trying to bring realism to something that is so impossibly unrealistic by its very nature that it's like trying to camouflage a seismosaur in a rosebush by painting it red. Don't get me wrong, you do have a point. But compared to the other flaws inherent in the creatures of Genome Inc., it is minor and thus completely pointless to nitpick about.

The length has been upped to nine metres. With the reasoning I have given before regarding the extensive musculature and the height of 1.6 metres, which has been thus far unaccounted for, I believe the current weight to be within whatever twisted version of reason we use here.

That is my final word on the matter. If CS or another mod say the weight should be reduced, I will do so. If not, then I shall not.
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Just one thing, its not because we don't have realism that we don't make an attempt to make things more realistic, otherwise we'd still have things that shoot ice and lasers.

Anyway, the weight should be fine with the new length, so, no complaints.
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This all cool then?
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Laser-eye insects
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