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| albinoraptor | Apr 18 2017, 10:35 AM Post #16 |
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Well then, so far, this looks alright by me. |
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| Fleeshstar | Apr 18 2017, 10:39 AM Post #17 |
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What did Flish Shake Even Mean
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Ok it's all fine and dandy that they can make these weapons but why do they need four different weapons designed for slashing/cutting? That seems a bit specific for "crude" weaponry. I can understand a piercing weapon, and a clubbing weapon, and even to an extent a shield, but having four different weapons all designed around the concept of lacerating flesh just seems over the top for intelligence. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 18 2017, 11:54 AM Post #18 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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Four? I count two that are desinged around cutting it. Daggers are most often used for stabbing, and they are hardly good weapons when in an actual battle, given how close range they are. They are simply comparatively inexpensive backup weapons in case things don't work out or if an enemy gets too close for their other weapons to be very effective. And they are hardly something only advanced civilizations thought of. Shortswords are a rather generalized weapon, used equal parts for slashing and piercing. Basically, they are the dagger+. Not the best combat weapon, but convenient for use and to carry around. Last I'll talk about the falchion, given how the two handed axe handles so completely different from any of the prior weapons. Heck, it doesn't even cut so much as it just cleaves through things. Anyway, the falchion, unlike the shortsword especially, is both a tool and a weapon. It's basically a machete, which can prove itself exceptionally useful for, er... "property damage" so to speak, or alternatively though dense foliage, which would certainly restrict the Sea Scourges more than it would restrict most of GI's other sapients, especially given that half of said sapients LIVE in it. So a proper tool to cut through it would certainly assist the raiders. Yet it remains an adequate weapon that also happens to be more useful than a shortsword in crowded areas, due to the possibility of push-cuts, a technique I certainly would not reccomend using with a double edged blade. And when it comes to traditional cutting, it handles more like a combination of a one handed axe and a one handed sword than like a shortsword. |
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| Fleeshstar | Apr 18 2017, 12:24 PM Post #19 |
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What did Flish Shake Even Mean
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yes but even as you said the shortsword is a dagger+ and the falchion is very similar to the axe in usage. If they are truly making crude weapons then we shouldn't be seeing such specific designs emerging with overlapping purposes. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 18 2017, 01:55 PM Post #20 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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Maybe calling it dagger+ was a bit of a misnomer. It is a simple modification of the dagger design to be more of a weapon. It is one of the most basic weapons that you can't really make from wood and stone. And even then, some civilisations managed to make similar weapons without the use of metal (*CoughMacuahuitlCough*). Given the material the Sea Scourges use, it's one of the most obvious weapons they could make. I'd wager it's a more obvious design than an axe, which, along with the spear, is one of the first weapons early homo made. The only difference being that a shortsword required unavailable materials to make. The falchion (Or rather, this falchion) is hardly identical to an axe. It's comparable in that it's more top-heavy than a shortsword, and thus has more swinging momentum, making it harder to manoeuvre, but also hit harder. But it's not exactly on the same level of top heavy as an axe. And an axe requires a lot more swinging around to be effective, whereas the falchion can be used in very close combat, which is definitely something that comes up a lot for the Sea Scourges. Another thing to consider is that, in addition to the Sea Scourges getting plenty of inspiration for weapons through their nomadic and raiding lifestyles, they themselves are also not one culture. Different fleets will have different tools and weapons. When members of different fleets join up, these ideas are easily spread around and/or stolen. Gal Gore, for example, is the only member of Morek's fleet to use a shortsword as a backup weapon instead of daggers because, for the longest time, she wasn't part of Morek's fleet. Members of other fleets might primarily use hand-axes as their back up weapons. Others might even have the resources to make use of bows and arrows. There are just some concepts more common than others. Sharp object on a short stick, heavy object on a stick and pointy object on a really long stick being primary examples. |
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| Fleeshstar | Apr 18 2017, 02:58 PM Post #21 |
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What did Flish Shake Even Mean
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Ok but pointing out their minor differences does not change the fact that that's all they are- minor differences. Why are they making multiple weapons when they can just have one that is multipurpose? This just seems like an unnecessary level of sophistication that I personally think is probably beyond what GI would allow. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 18 2017, 03:10 PM Post #22 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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I'm not pointing out minor differences because the differences are not minor. True minor variations would be slightly longer but narrower blade, or making a smaller, but more robust guard. This is the variation that human smiths apply to their weapons, variations that can mean the difference between winning or losing a duel. The Sea Scourges don't do this however. If one fleet is known for making shortswords, pretty much al their shortswords will be more or less the same. Their weapon variation doesn't come from being extraordinarily intelligent, even amongst sapients, but rather from having the tools needed to make those weapons. Added to that, you seem to have ignored what I said about the weapon variations between different fleets. |
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| Fleeshstar | Apr 18 2017, 03:20 PM Post #23 |
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What did Flish Shake Even Mean
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But they are minor differences. They have the same purpose, just different appearances. The chances of this occurring in a primitive species like this is very low. Chimpanzees don't make different spears for different uses, their spears are all the same sharpened sticks. It only makes sense that if the sea scourges are making swords or axes or daggers and they have overlapping uses they're just going to make the easiest to make one, not four different weapons. Also, I ignored your part of them being different cultures because it still doesn't change the fact that they aren't going to make completely different weapons depending on where they're from. This is where you'll see the negligible differences like blade length and width. But they won't develop different weapons. Primitive societies all developed bows and spears, they may be slightly different based on the culture, but they are still just that- bows and spears. They didn't make atlatls or harpoons until they were far more advanced. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 18 2017, 04:24 PM Post #24 |
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Hmmm... no, they are still not minor differences. They are differences that drastically change what the weapon does and how it is used. Their purposes are certainly not the same, unless the only purpose that matters is "kills things" rather than how it actually accomplishes that purpose, not to mention the non-lethal applications a weapon can have. Chimpanzees are also a pretty poor analogy, given that it's well established that the sapients of GI are closer in intelligence to humans than to chimps. The uses of their weapons are overlapping to the extent of "they kill things" for the most part. But each weapon adds something distinctly different from the others to their arsenals. I don't know about you, but I'd think a bow is a much more mechanically advanced tool for killing things than ANYTHING this fleet of pirates has, and yet no-one seems to bat an eye when a sapient has what looks oddly like an english longbow. I try to look at the weapons less along the lines of "when did humans start making these" and more as "could they think of this, and would it be of use to them?" because the latter is far more relevant. Adding onto that, the unusual ecosystem of GI thoroughly encourages creativity and experimentation in a species such as this. Early man didn't live on boats, nor did they have to deals with their next door neighbours being covered in armor (glyptodonts don't count. I am referring more to other sapients), ect. That said, if this still doesn't convince you that weapon diversity should be allowed for sapients under the current ruleset, I would suggest we wait for admin judgement instead of dragging on the discussion for 15 more pages, because at this rate, I feel like it might take a while before either of us changes their position. |
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| DinoFlame | Apr 18 2017, 07:51 PM Post #25 |
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Keeping in mind, though, that said humans you refer to are still something closer to "caveman era" humans. Anyway though, I can see where Flish is coming from. Personally it's not even so much that the weapons don't "add something" as you said, rather that a fleet would most likely use only the weapon(s) that suits their particular lifestyle best. One weapon might be more useful in a certain situation, but unless that situation is common for a particular fleet, why expend resources/energy on it? Learning how to make, making, and then carrying around an extra weapon that except in that uncommon situation is no better than another weapon that has more common uses. It's not that these weapons couldn't exist or be used, it's just that it seems unlikely a single fleet would use ALL of them at the same time. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 18 2017, 08:28 PM Post #26 |
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Well yes, but cavemen are still in a league above chimps, if not pretty much equal in intelligence to modern humans. My take on it is that the weapons the individuals use are largely what they used in the first fleet they were a part of, the weapons that they know from their past. While the distribution of weapons in Morek's fleet is, for lack of a better way to put it, "disproportionally diverse", this is mostly because of how few members there are in the fleet. They need a certain amount of diversity in their arsenal to prepare for the multitude of creatures they are likely to come across. In a normal sided fleet, it might be possible to have most Sea Scourges be proficient with one type of weapon, and a few others who cover the bases the main force doesn't. But with such a small fleet, they need to cover as much ground as they can with as few weapons as possible. Falchions and javelins might make for nice weapons, but when it comes to wrecking another fleet's Transporters (Which is hardly an uncommon situation for Sea Scourges) a greataxe is the vastly superior option. |
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| DinoFlame | May 1 2017, 06:48 PM Post #27 |
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So I don't think I'm going to have you pay for the crew members as different castes, they're all pretty similar to what you'd expect for variation between individuals. As far as the weapons go, on thinking on it I don't think the small size of the fleet justifies the diversity of weapons. While it is understandable they'd know how to make multiple weapons, it just seems like a bit much. For that I feel like they would have had to be pretty dedicated weapon makers in their old fleets to know how to make that many weapons effectively enough for them to be worth using over the ones they do know well. It's pretty clear that such a background is probably not the case. Overall, saying they "need" the diversity because of their small number is perhaps not untrue, but it is in a similar vein to saying that a spider "needs" to be indestructible because it's so small and easily killed by cleaning ladies. |
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| Superdude327 | May 1 2017, 06:58 PM Post #28 |
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I roll to insult!
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| PetLoverSpy | May 1 2017, 09:26 PM Post #29 |
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Flaming Sorcerer
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I came onto this thread just to applaud DF. That is all, carry on. |
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| DarkGricer | May 1 2017, 10:15 PM Post #30 |
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That's Captain Gricer to you, lad!
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Too soon. Too soon. Anyway, updated the profile. Javelins have been replaced with more harpoons (Which itself has been made a bit shorter), Gal's shortsword has been replaced with a dagger and her mace went poof. Plus I updated the pic, so it's a bit better now. |
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