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| i-deR | Jan 8 2010, 05:01 AM Post #1 |
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Well i got into this argument with a Muslim Girl on Facebook, who wasn't even on my list, it was originally over a comment from one of my friends but it turned out to be a pretty good conversation. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or anything to add to it, this girl is one of the few people i have ever talked to that can actually hold an intelligent discussion. If you are illiterate or you can't read more then a paragraph or you have an IQ of Nash. just click back. Robert started it all, He is my friend (he's black) ,Janet was the muslim girl (also black) and Richard is me (i'm white). I blanked out the last names for there privacy and mine. Robert : Success can be defined as a level of social status, How many of yall are socially successful? Janet Who sets the status quo? That's the real question. We are all looking the achieve something that actually doesn't exist. Once we begin to understand the brainwashing the ruling class has set up, we can begin to free ourselves. Fuck that so called image of success, that's that bullshit. What would happen if we all stopped thinking about ourselves ... See Moreand started thinking about the group? Things would be alot better. However, the more we try to go after the status quo the more we will stay divided. Know thyself! Luv ya boo!! 4 hours ago Gerald Well shit I must b diddy take that 4 hours ago Robert lol @ Gerald Janet I feel you. It's crazy these days. The media shows the masses images of so called success, and we destory ourselves and whole communities n nations going after so called success. The people who control the media controls the masses. If you control a mans thinking you don't have to worry about their actions, -Carter G. Woodson 4 hours ago Robert I love it!!! its all a mind thing, I aint rich or wealthy but Im successful 4 hours ago Janet I like that! Richard success depends on what you are trying to achieve it's a personal level of accomplishment, if you have a goal and you completed it you succeeded no matter what anyone else says. There is no social level of success Janet Great point, however only a few amount of people actually think that way. So often success is equated to wealth or power. When we ask the youth what being successful means we will most likely hear that answer... and that across all socioeconomic and racial backgrounds. Robert I agree, success is about getting anything accomplished, not being rich or famous...I felt successful when I graduated highschool, gaining knowledge is success Richard wealth and power is a unachievable goal, you can always have more wealth and more power. which makes u not successful. Even the dictionary definition states that "success" = 1. resulting or terminating in success" 2. gaining or having gained success Neither one of the 2 definitions you can complete with power or wealth. apart from gaining and that doesn't make you a success... i can make 6 dollars an hour and technically still be on the same level of success, because i have more to gain. How the hell don't i? That's not an opinion it is a fact. Janet As I stated thats a good point. But you can't sit here and tell me that people don't have the wrong idea about what success is. For example "social success," is what the question was about. That's my point... the status quo. So until everyone understands what success truly is we will never move pass the point of being brainwashed. Pointblank Period... See More. I don't need anyone to fucking tell me the definiton of it sweetie, I'm good. However look to you friends, family and children because chances are they're confused. So don't sit here and act like you can't feel what I'm stating! Don't do it homie! =) Janet "success can be defined as a level of social status," who told you that? Where did that idea come from? Come on yo, that's my point. That's that status quo. You need to know yourself and be successful within yourself n not whatever society or "the media," tells u success is. Richard i can look to my friends and family and children and sit down with a dictionary and look up the word success and explain the same thing i did to you.I wasn't disagreeing with you or trying to lie about anything. It's not my problem if people are ignorant but that is a different discussion altogether as long as you know in your heart does it really matter .. and i feel what you are saying, i was just correcting you because the only people who think that money or wealth has anything to do with success are the people that live there life to try and achieve something that is unobtainable. There's plenty of what ignorant people would define successful as. There are millionaires right now famous people sad and as depressed as the average person. Janet I'm glad you agree with my point of view. My main point is that a huge percent of people on this Planet believes that success is directly related to class, status, and power and that is a fact no matter how you look at it! Now the image of success is controlled by the media period, and it is the media which controls the brainwashing (aka thinking) ... See More of the mass, which in turns dictates actions. Thus creating captialism, global captialism on a large scale. And captialism only benfits the ruling class. Therefore is discussion is larger than your singluar point. 2 hours ago Richard an opinion of success is not a fact and that is my point anything that involves "brainwashing" as you state it or "thinking" as you tried to put it in layman terms is an OPINION it is not a FACT. You can not brainwash a fact into anybody you can only brainwash an opinion. As far as capitalism goes that has nothing to do with social success there is plenty of democratic people who define success as the same thing it really has nothing to do with politics at all. 2 hours ago · Janet R u serious though? Lol that's so crazy. So please explain to me why only 1% of the pop. controls over 90% of the wealth and natural resoures, btw that 1% looks just like u- and the rest of the world is left to scramble over what's left, to idk acheive a false image of success? Therefore creating an everlasting pool of labor, if that's not brainwashing than boo I don't know what is lol 2 hours ago Richard "looks like you" please define ? 2 hours ago · Janet Really do I need to. Lol white men!! Richard oh so i get it your pulling the racial bullshit out of your fucking ass? Conversation is over. You have just proved how dumb you are. Janet Wowwww!!!! Lol I luv it. Hmmm so when the truth starts coming out on the muthafuckin table people don't wanna talk. Why is it that in America no one wants to talk about race?we fuckin live this shit evey fuckin day. Let's keep it real though. Lol!!! Yooo I'm sorry if I offended you, I was just under the impression that we were keeping things very fuckin real tonight. Goodnight. Richard i can talk about race all day. the fact is it had nothing to do with our conversation. I'm not even american. I'm italian and south african my mother was from africa. I was raised in england. You didn't offend me i just think it's dumb for you to even bring that into the conversation when it has nothing to do with a race. Capitalism as a whole is ... everybody getting fucked by the big guys. When i look up jobs i look up labor or warehouse ask rob he knows. So when you say the way i look i can't help but think how ignorant you are to think that a "white man" must be some kind of capitalist pig and he isn't getting fucked by the small population who run this show. I agree it is mostly white people in this country that's because the poplation is mostly white. There are plenty of other countrys India for example or china with boombing economys and kids gettin paid pennys to do slave labor i guess it's the white indains and the white chinese people who are the cause of it too. Janet Exactly that's why it's called global captialism and when it comes to captialism it's a matter of the ruling class and the working class and it's a matter of historical materialism and consciousness across all races and all socioeconomic n gender backgrounds. But don't u sit here n tell me that the ruling class does not consits of white men period ...I'm not talking about jayz money I'm talking about old money which controls the inner workings of this society. Now if you weren't so bullheaded you would understand that in the beginning of this convo I agreed with your point. However I don't need fuckin definitions. As I stated u clearly have me misunderstood. But hunnie we can go on about this all night! Let's go! Richard there is no "global capitalism" have you ever even left america? i've been to at least 10+ different countrys and america is the only one that i've been in that works on capitalism and of course it's controlled by white people cause the majority of the people in this country is white. about an hour ago Janet No Hun ur not understanding me. Why do u think walmart prices are so low? Why do u think there is so much outsourcing of jobs? Why do you think so many 3rd world nations are in debt? It's bigger than what we see or what is presented to us. There is a central bank which loans money to other nations and creates debt which will never be paid back just the sociology of life. Just like your point about the sweat shops, that's captialism. And really whatever is good for the capitalistic ruling class system, can't be good for the masses of the people. And you don't have to travel to understand this, you just have to think about the world around you which u live in. That's all that is. Janet I mean you just have to understand the tools that are used to maintain the status quo and conformity. And really when people believe in ideologies there is No resistance. Basically if u control a mens thinking u don't have to worry about their actions. I strongly believe that education is a tool the government uses to condition, subordinate n ultimately control the people. And eduaction is just one tool of conditioning there's more like religion, family, gov, n media. about an hour ago Janet Just research global captialism. There's so much you will learn about it. Also research success and symbolic interaction, n success n historical materialism. Goodnight, good talking with u. about an hour ago Richard The reason why Walmart prices are so low is because they buy everything from China. They import everything and manufacture nothing all the manufacturing is done by cheep labor mostly child slavery but that is not the capitalists fault that is the labor union and people thinking they deserve more then 10 bucks an hour to fucking press a button on a machine. The reason why 3rd nations are in debt is because they have nothing to export the same reason why the economy is so bad it has nothing to do with capitalism it has to do with big fat cat ceo's who use politics like a puppet they could be democrats or communists or socialists. the CEO's and the guys you are talking about only use poloticts as a leverage. The fact is this shit is getting run by more jewish people then it is white people, and that is not a racial slur. Janet I feel you. But everything u just said is actually a product of capitalism. Trust me it is on a global scale; because this is a profit driven society- capitalism. And what it creates is a "race to the bottom," when technology replaces human labor therefore driving the economy down into recession or depression. And the "race to the bottom," will force people to move to class consciousness and rebell, by recongizing the oppression. See right now alot of people believe that we are living in a classless society because we lack class consciousness. about an hour ago Richard the government aint noting but puppets. Yes education is a huge part of the system just like the song by dead prez - schools, perfectly worded it ...in the song he says school is like a 12 step brainwash camp they make you think if you drop out you aint got a chance to advance in life and at the end he says all they are doing is trying to brainwash us to make there business's successful while they exploit us. It really is true. The Prison, the court system the education system the welfare system most of Americas society is designed to make whoever is running this shit rich and if you want to get deep i think it is way more complex and intelligent then simply a capitalist. If you want my honest to god opinion 100% real this shit is illuminati 100% devil worshiping end of the world torture bullshit. It's way bigger then capitalism and a white man the white man just does whatever the jew says and the jew says whatever the demon tells him to do and the demon works directly from lucifer himself. Consciously or not. Richard technology will never replace humans unless artificial intelligence exists. It still takes a man to press that button that makes that machine work which = labor costs and the fact is it is cheeper to do it in china. So these fat cat CEO's close there plants in the western world and go China and make way more money and send our economy into a recession then a depression. Janet That's real talk it's crazy though! Smh... I just hope we're not moving towards AI that's another level of greed. U know we have these self check out lanes now, lol. It only takes one person to work like six of them. I mean damn that's six people out of work right there! U ah cool dude though I like that u actually have an opinion, so many people don't or don't even try to ask my opinions. Lol I gotta take my ass to bed it's 4am I hear the birds outside smh 47 minutes ago Richard Yeah i hear that it was good arguing with you Gnight lol Janet Yooo I just read ur other post about the devil. Yoo that is real talk!!! Lls I was just talkin to my friends about this today it's crazy!! We need to discuss this in further detail on another day I gotta go to bed. But it's crazy u would even say that. We gotta keep in touch Edited by i-deR, Jan 8 2010, 05:16 AM.
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| pimpen | Jan 8 2010, 05:16 AM Post #2 |
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made it 3 words then said fuck it, sam jr. |
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| YinG | Jan 8 2010, 05:57 AM Post #3 |
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This^ |
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[#hackziLLa]: speaking of [#hackziLLa]: ya. [#hackziLLa]: source makes me ignore my phone naot4r: speaking of homosexuality, I would totally fuck LL Cool J [#hackziLLa]:WUT ![]() | |
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| elixiR | Jan 8 2010, 09:54 AM Post #4 |
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too long to read :/ |
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| FIWDILVOLCOM | Jan 8 2010, 12:46 PM Post #5 |
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tl;dr |
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| Deleted User | Jan 8 2010, 12:52 PM Post #6 |
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if you want my opinion on this a summary of the issue here would be appreciated mr i also; QQ pimpen. |
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| HPT-134538 | Jan 8 2010, 02:15 PM Post #7 |
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This made me think of aliens jerking of into hot pockets. |
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| hiroko | Jan 8 2010, 02:35 PM Post #8 |
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ASTTACK!! (@____@~;;) ** TEXT Edited by hiroko, Jan 8 2010, 02:36 PM.
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オメデトウ ( ^ _ ^)∠☆PeN! *:--☆--:*:--☆:*:--☆--:*:--☆:* ∑(O_O;)Shock!! | |
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| HARDlikeKareem Abdul-Jabbar | Jan 8 2010, 02:39 PM Post #9 |
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LOLA ATTACK |
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| i-deR | Jan 8 2010, 02:48 PM Post #10 |
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I think Hiroko is an alien and i should jerk off into her hot pocket. Edited by i-deR, Jan 8 2010, 02:49 PM.
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| Nash | Jan 8 2010, 03:30 PM Post #11 |
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I coulda sworn you quit Red-I... >>> http://s9.zetaboards.com/HPT_Forums/topic/7177549/ You critique my pranks like I'm a movie star, and now your asking a Halo PC community for advice on how to handle your real life... Again, I thought you quit? Get out of here with the Days of our Lives bullshit. Edited by Nash, Jan 8 2010, 03:31 PM.
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| i-deR | Jan 8 2010, 03:34 PM Post #12 |
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Nash you really need to get an education and learn how to read, never did i say i "quit" the forums i said i won't be on xfire or halo, i said nothing about the forums. Also when did i ask for advice " how to handle my real life " you are seriously fucking retarded. Edited by i-deR, Jan 8 2010, 03:36 PM.
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| Nash | Jan 8 2010, 04:12 PM Post #13 |
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sorry too stupid to read the text that comes out of your immensely large brain mr. iq142. I wish I could has smart brain big. |
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| pimpen | Jan 8 2010, 04:15 PM Post #14 |
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ya, well the facebook hard iq test said i got a 145 and facebook never lies |
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| TheRock | Jan 8 2010, 05:06 PM Post #15 |
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Tell her to shut the fuck up and get a job. |
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