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somedude
May 18 2010, 06:45 PM
xcutionerz
May 18 2010, 06:41 PM
lol.............................................................. I didn't see the 1. Howard, 2.Kobe, 3. Lebron. Man stop embaressing yourself. You are stupid. Lebron is number 1 lmao be serious. Then Kobe then maybe, maybe Howard. Gosh, quit talking. You do not watch basketball. Your probably from Canada or something.
lebron isn't at kobe's level yet. in a few years he will be, but you can't factor in his potential as a player. for all we know he could get a career-ending injury during a pre-season game next year. not to mention he hasn't won a championship yet...yea that's not really a factor of skill and some good players haven't won championships but they will never be on the level of players of a similar calibre that did win championships. lemme know when lebron gets some rings
what are you babbling about? rings don't make the player, you idiot lmao. obviously rings is what motivates players to come out and do what they do best but we're talking about who is the better player, not who has the better supporting cast. there is nothing you can say that proves kobe as the better player.
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May 18 2010, 10:34 AM
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Dude, do you have any idea how much leverage Lebron has this summer? summer will be very interesting. The youtube links posted are irrelevant from both of us, all players have had bad games, I just did that to reply to your videos to show how stupid that was in an argument. The stats however, DO NOT LIE. Lebron was more clutch than Kobe in his prime, that's weird as FUCK to me and I hope you guys start to give Lebron some respect.

edit: when does lebron not have that inner fire to win? Dude is dedicated, I would never judge a person's personality if I didn't personally know him, dumbest thing I've EVER read. Also, it's PURE opinion, at least I had some stats to back my shit up. Also, the lakers organization is the most COMMITTED organization to winning in the ENTIRE league. They have the star power, the resources, and the beauty of the city itself to lure ANY player they want. What sounds more attractive? DUDE LETS GO PLAY IN LA OR IM GOING TO CLEVELAND, joakim noah knows watsup


That is an interesting site you found. I found a few other nifty little ones there like this one.

http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT10.HTM (if you click to And 1's you'll see Lebron has the most there) They also have a defense one, but it doesn't look like it's been updated in a while. But let's be a bit honest, stats aren't everything, if they were, I'd give Ronald Murray the ball every time for my game winning shots (he's clutch 100% of the time on that chart), but I can't deny that having stats on your side does say a lot and for that reason I respect your opinion here.

Therefore I'm going to have to concede a bit on this argument. I watch them both play a lot and maybe because I'm such a Jordan fan (hit this up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnCU185XYHc&feature=related ) I just like Kobe's style of play because he imitates Jordan so much better. I will have to say also about Lebron, he's not much of a pull up and shoot type player like say Rip Hamilton or (Kobe). He needs to dribble a few times to get a hang of what he's going to do with it and I feel his game is a bit raw or awkward. Not saying it's bad, but that it can be improved. When you watch Kobe play he just fucking I don't know, seems like he flows. I know you know what I'm talking about because it's really obvious. Anyways if I was drafting a team out of the current pool of active players in the NBA I would take

1. D Howard
2. Kobe
3. Lebron

in that order.

I mean sure I'm a Lakers fan (as I assume you are a Cleveland fan, or at least a Lebron fan), but I just don't feel his skill level is near where Kobe's was/is in his prime. I mean for fuck sakes he just averaged 30 during the Jazz series and comes and drops a 40 boMB against the Suns and rested most of the 4th quarter. I never see Lebron do that. Jordan did it substantially throughout his career (GAWD IMAGINE THE STATS ON THAT) when he went 72 and fucking 10 that one season averaging like what 37 points a game while sitting the bench on almost every 4th quarter? What a beast. I feel Kobe does the same thing though not to the degree of Jordan of course. I will say this though about Lebron. He's probably the most wanted guy in the NBA as far as teams go over even Dwight and Kobe. He could have made it happen so anybody he wanted to play with came to Cleveland, but he didn't. I realize that's not really his responsibility or in his job description, but both Jordan and Kobe did it and look at the rings. Lebron needs to win at least one championship before I consider him a better player than Kobe, or at least make it to the NBA finals.

Until then he can have fun at home watching Kobe put another ring on his finger.
If you look at the clutch stats, you see Lebron and Kobe have taken about the same amount of shots and lebron has been more clutch. Nowhere in my posts did I say Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe. Lebron's just way more efficient than Kobe because he drives to me so his low shooting percentage doesn't bother me, Lebron's EFF rating is the 2nd highest of all time right behind Jordan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

The stats just keep coming. Dude, that Kobe against lebron video is 3 years old... no merit. I understand where you're coming with the his game mimicks Jordan which is why you like to watch him, trust me, I'm not tryna take anything away from Kobe. He's a great player and he's really fun to watch, I'm just tired of all these Kobe dickriders completely hating on Lebron just because he plays different. Jordan was the best player of all time and he's my favorite player of all time, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. I would switch 2 and 3 on your list just because with Kobe you need more pieces, with lebron you prob won't need as much. Also, I'm a Kings fan :D GO REKE SON.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2AbVDPywzk

You gotta watch Lebron more, I swear I hear about him going off for 20 a quarter every month. Lebron goes off ALL the time, it's just not as hyped as Kobe tbh. Lebrons already made it to the NBA finals ('07) with the worst team in the world, that was when he went off for his epic 29 of the last 30 cavs point to destroy the pistons. I watch both players a lot and after looking at these stats, it's definitely reinforcing my opinion that Lebron is better than Kobe. Also, con this debate has been won purely with stats ages ago.
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May 18 2010, 07:25 PM
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May 18 2010, 10:34 AM
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Dude, do you have any idea how much leverage Lebron has this summer? summer will be very interesting. The youtube links posted are irrelevant from both of us, all players have had bad games, I just did that to reply to your videos to show how stupid that was in an argument. The stats however, DO NOT LIE. Lebron was more clutch than Kobe in his prime, that's weird as FUCK to me and I hope you guys start to give Lebron some respect.

edit: when does lebron not have that inner fire to win? Dude is dedicated, I would never judge a person's personality if I didn't personally know him, dumbest thing I've EVER read. Also, it's PURE opinion, at least I had some stats to back my shit up. Also, the lakers organization is the most COMMITTED organization to winning in the ENTIRE league. They have the star power, the resources, and the beauty of the city itself to lure ANY player they want. What sounds more attractive? DUDE LETS GO PLAY IN LA OR IM GOING TO CLEVELAND, joakim noah knows watsup


That is an interesting site you found. I found a few other nifty little ones there like this one.

http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT10.HTM (if you click to And 1's you'll see Lebron has the most there) They also have a defense one, but it doesn't look like it's been updated in a while. But let's be a bit honest, stats aren't everything, if they were, I'd give Ronald Murray the ball every time for my game winning shots (he's clutch 100% of the time on that chart), but I can't deny that having stats on your side does say a lot and for that reason I respect your opinion here.

Therefore I'm going to have to concede a bit on this argument. I watch them both play a lot and maybe because I'm such a Jordan fan (hit this up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnCU185XYHc&feature=related ) I just like Kobe's style of play because he imitates Jordan so much better. I will have to say also about Lebron, he's not much of a pull up and shoot type player like say Rip Hamilton or (Kobe). He needs to dribble a few times to get a hang of what he's going to do with it and I feel his game is a bit raw or awkward. Not saying it's bad, but that it can be improved. When you watch Kobe play he just fucking I don't know, seems like he flows. I know you know what I'm talking about because it's really obvious. Anyways if I was drafting a team out of the current pool of active players in the NBA I would take

1. D Howard
2. Kobe
3. Lebron

in that order.

I mean sure I'm a Lakers fan (as I assume you are a Cleveland fan, or at least a Lebron fan), but I just don't feel his skill level is near where Kobe's was/is in his prime. I mean for fuck sakes he just averaged 30 during the Jazz series and comes and drops a 40 boMB against the Suns and rested most of the 4th quarter. I never see Lebron do that. Jordan did it substantially throughout his career (GAWD IMAGINE THE STATS ON THAT) when he went 72 and fucking 10 that one season averaging like what 37 points a game while sitting the bench on almost every 4th quarter? What a beast. I feel Kobe does the same thing though not to the degree of Jordan of course. I will say this though about Lebron. He's probably the most wanted guy in the NBA as far as teams go over even Dwight and Kobe. He could have made it happen so anybody he wanted to play with came to Cleveland, but he didn't. I realize that's not really his responsibility or in his job description, but both Jordan and Kobe did it and look at the rings. Lebron needs to win at least one championship before I consider him a better player than Kobe, or at least make it to the NBA finals.

Until then he can have fun at home watching Kobe put another ring on his finger.
If you look at the clutch stats, you see Lebron and Kobe have taken about the same amount of shots and lebron has been more clutch. Nowhere in my posts did I say Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe. Lebron's just way more efficient than Kobe because he drives to me so his low shooting percentage doesn't bother me, Lebron's EFF rating is the 2nd highest of all time right behind Jordan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

The stats just keep coming. Dude, that Kobe against lebron video is 3 years old... no merit. I understand where you're coming with the his game mimicks Jordan which is why you like to watch him, trust me, I'm not tryna take anything away from Kobe. He's a great player and he's really fun to watch, I'm just tired of all these Kobe dickriders completely hating on Lebron just because he plays different. Jordan was the best player of all time and he's my favorite player of all time, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. I would switch 2 and 3 on your list just because with Kobe you need more pieces, with lebron you prob won't need as much. Also, I'm a Kings fan :D GO REKE SON.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cch6iu6SfE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD1IX13EiWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2AbVDPywzk

You gotta watch Lebron more, I swear I hear about him going off for 20 a quarter every month. Lebron goes off ALL the time, it's just not as hyped as Kobe tbh. Lebrons already made it to the NBA finals ('07) with the worst team in the world, that was when he went off for his epic 29 of the last 30 cavs point to destroy the pistons. I watch both players a lot and after looking at these stats, it's definitely reinforcing my opinion that Lebron is better than Kobe. Also, con this debate has been won purely with stats ages ago.
well i would watch lebron play, but when i watch the eastern conference finals for some reason the cavs aren't playing. what's going on?
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lol. In reference to "Somedude"'s comment about Kobe being better than Lebron. I disagree, I believe he is already better than Jordan. Jordan didn't play people that were good, not to mention he had a stacked team. Lebron plays point guard shooting guard small forward and center for that team. He would be one of the best point guards in the league if he wanted to be. And his defense certainly surpasses Jordans. If Jordan played guys from now adays. Especially ppl like Lebron. He wouldnt put up those numbers. He would be great. But not better than Lebron. Lebron is the best that ever played the games. He took a team that had not one player that would start on another solid team, to the finals. Jordan had the best rebounder in the game(Rodman) so he had a lot of opportunities as well. People refuse to see it but if they look who jordan played against and lebron plays against they wouild see. People like Iguodala would have been extremely dominant in Jordans time. EXTREMELY dominant.
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May 18 2010, 09:32 PM
lol. In reference to "Somedude"'s comment about Kobe being better than Lebron. I disagree, I believe he is already better than Jordan. Jordan didn't play people that were good, not to mention he had a stacked team. Lebron plays point guard shooting guard small forward and center for that team. He would be one of the best point guards in the league if he wanted to be. And his defense certainly surpasses Jordans. If Jordan played guys from now adays. Especially ppl like Lebron. He wouldnt put up those numbers. He would be great. But not better than Lebron. Lebron is the best that ever played the games. He took a team that had not one player that would start on another solid team, to the finals. Jordan had the best rebounder in the game(Rodman) so he had a lot of opportunities as well. People refuse to see it but if they look who jordan played against and lebron plays against they wouild see. People like Iguodala would have been extremely dominant in Jordans time. EXTREMELY dominant.
r u dumb? he didnt play people that were good?
magic johnson
larry bird
dominique wilkins
patrick ewing
robert parish
kevin mchale
cedric maxwell
Isaiah Thomas
Hakeem Olajuwan
James Worthy
kareem abdul-jabbar
joe dumars
charles barkley
Karl Malone
John stockton
reggie miller
shaq
david robinson
dr. j were just some of the players

On top of that, he's influenced the game of Kobe, Lebron, Wade, all those players. I've heard it all now.
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its looks like its gonna be boston and suns now ^__^
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May 18 2010, 09:32 PM
lol. In reference to "Somedude"'s comment about Kobe being better than Lebron. I disagree, I believe he is already better than Jordan. Jordan didn't play people that were good, not to mention he had a stacked team. Lebron plays point guard shooting guard small forward and center for that team. He would be one of the best point guards in the league if he wanted to be. And his defense certainly surpasses Jordans. If Jordan played guys from now adays. Especially ppl like Lebron. He wouldnt put up those numbers. He would be great. But not better than Lebron. Lebron is the best that ever played the games. He took a team that had not one player that would start on another solid team, to the finals. Jordan had the best rebounder in the game(Rodman) so he had a lot of opportunities as well. People refuse to see it but if they look who jordan played against and lebron plays against they wouild see. People like Iguodala would have been extremely dominant in Jordans time. EXTREMELY dominant.
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lol. In reference to "TheAnimal"'s comment, All of those guys lack the athleticism as well as defensive strategies that exist today. LOL. OMG. Let Jordan guard Lebron. He would rip Jordan to threads. You saw what Allen Iverson did to Jordan. And Lebron is way better, bigger, and almost as quick certainly faster. lol. Wow people don't understand.Larry Bird was so!!! unathletic. Dominick Wilkins Isaiah Thomas none of those guys had speed and strength that is in todays game. Not too mention these guys could learn from Jordan and company, make Jordan and companies game better than what they could do with it, then add there own pieces of the puzzle for the next generation.Lol. Example, Rajon Rondo's, ball fakes, (behind the back but not throwing it, or acting like he's laying it up then 180 and shoot)more point guards in the next 5 years will incorporate that in their game. And do it better than Rondo.
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Is this kid serious. U do realize when iverson "crossed" Jordan he was in his mid 30s?

Man and ur calling erosion retarded...
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I can't believe you think lebron is better than Jordan
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May 18 2010, 10:45 PM
lol. In reference to "TheAnimal"'s comment, All of those guys lack the athleticism as well as defensive strategies that exist today. LOL. OMG. Let Jordan guard Lebron. He would rip Jordan to threads. You saw what Allen Iverson did to Jordan. And Lebron is way better, bigger, and almost as quick certainly faster. lol. Wow people don't understand.Larry Bird was so!!! unathletic. Dominick Wilkins Isaiah Thomas none of those guys had speed and strength that is in todays game. Not too mention these guys could learn from Jordan and company, make Jordan and companies game better than what they could do with it, then add there own pieces of the puzzle for the next generation.Lol. Example, Rajon Rondo's, ball fakes, (behind the back but not throwing it, or acting like he's laying it up then 180 and shoot)more point guards in the next 5 years will incorporate that in their game. And do it better than Rondo.
I lol'd so hard, SO HARD. Those guy slack athleticism as well as defensive strategies!?!!? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?

You just said players such as Dr. J, Michael Jordan, dominique wilkins, magic johnson,Isaiah Thomas, Hakeem Olajuwan, James Worthy are nonathletic. WOW. and the comment on the defense of old, ARE YOU SERIOUS? the nba today is ALWAYS criticized for being too soft. The Bad Boy Pistons, the celtics of old, the Lakers, every team played TOUGH defense and i mean TOUGH. Guys in the NBA today wouldn't last back then at all. Lol'd at strength comment, speed comment sure, but the games of today and yesterday are different. The games today might be more uptempo but notice how when an uptempo team goes up against a team that settles down with their half-court set, the latter team wins. Previous Suns and the Nuggets of the early 90s are good examples of this. Therefore, the players of old didn't need to focus on increasing their speed because it was all about stopping teams in the half-court, I do however think that the stamina of players from the 80s/90s was MUCH higher than the stamina of players today because the game was so much more physical and they had to do so much more in the minutes they did play.

If Jordan didn't exist, Karl Malone and John Stockton would be LEGENDS, Kobe wouldnt be alive, and lebron wouldn't have half of his game because he watched Kobe and Jordan, you are DUMB. You think the players of old wouldn't be able to adjust today!? LOL, dude Jordan's passion, commitment, and work ethic to the game were INSANE. Off the charts INSANE, you think Kobe's work ethic is badass? Jordan definitely poured in more time than Kobe, he would EASILY adjust to any way the game was played, in fact he'd dominate considering the most problem he ever had was against the Bad Boy defense. Jordan was known for getting it done on BOTH ends of the court, he was the perfect all-around player and that's why he has the highest EFF rating ever in the NBA. Noone in the nba will be as clutch as jordan, these comparisons are ridiculous.
Also, I love how you use ONE PLAY that Iverson got on Jordan as a basis for the entire NBA today being better. Of course the game changes but when you say that players of new would destroy the old, it's just stupid, these players laid the foundations of the NBA today. A perfect example of an "old school" player dominating in the NBA today is Tim Duncan, Mr. Fundamental, 4 rings and considered the greatest PF to ever play the game. You think Rondo is the best PG in our league, your argument is invalid
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May 18 2010, 10:30 PM
its looks like its gonna be boston and suns now ^__^
r u fuckan serious, lakers > suns
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Lebron doesn't have the outside game like kobe has, lebron doesn't have the footwork that kobe has, lebron doesn't have the ability to completely destroy a player one on one, lebron doesn't have the clutch status kobe has, and lastly lebron doesn't have 4 rings(5th at the end of this season). What does lebron have over kobe? driving to the lane and dunking. SORRY KOBE GOAT.
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Lebron doesn't have the outside game like kobe has, lebron doesn't have the footwork that kobe has, lebron doesn't have the ability to completely destroy a player one on one, lebron doesn't have the clutch status kobe has, and lastly lebron doesn't have 4 rings(5th at the end of this season). What does lebron have over kobe? driving to the lane and dunking. SORRY KOBE GOAT.
apparently you missed the last 6 pages of this thread where I completely destroyed everything you kobe dickriders so dearly hang on to, leave thread if you are stupid please.
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May 18 2010, 06:26 PM
Erosion, you are an abosolute, moron. I can not stress that enough to you. You may have made the stupid comment i have ever heard about basketball. "Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, C. Billups. Wow, come on u need to stop posting right now. First off, Derrick Rose isn't even a point guard, I'm stopping right there, im not even gonna start on Steve Nash being fourth because you are absolutely and entirely retarded. Derrick Rose is a shooting guard playing point because the bulls don't have a point guard. He is one of the worst "point guards" in the NBA. So please, do not go there. You should be banned from the forums for ever putting something like that up here. And that order? what lmfao Billups? cmon son. it's because of ppl like you that video's like this are made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LITi7H4T72I
huh. I should have just ignored this post, but this is too good.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4387


????? Not a point guard??? Where are your facts coming from? Your anus?

The rest of your post is riddled with insults aimed to bash my intellect without providing any more proof to support your argument and any proof really whatsoever (besides your opinion) to argue against mine.

Just stop. Leave this thread now.
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May 18 2010, 06:41 PM
lol.............................................................. I didn't see the 1. Howard, 2.Kobe, 3. Lebron. Man stop embaressing yourself. You are stupid. Lebron is number 1 lmao be serious. Then Kobe then maybe, maybe Howard. Gosh, quit talking. You do not watch basketball. Your probably from Canada or something.
WHAT? LOL You don't put fucking Dwight Howard number 1 overall in the league?


You build a fucking team around the center. I'm from Canada? You clearly know nothing about me and nothing about this game.
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lol.............................................................. I didn't see the 1. Howard, 2.Kobe, 3. Lebron. Man stop embaressing yourself. You are stupid. Lebron is number 1 lmao be serious. Then Kobe then maybe, maybe Howard. Gosh, quit talking. You do not watch basketball. Your probably from Canada or something.
WHAT? LOL You don't put fucking Dwight Howard number 1 overall in the league?


You build a fucking team around the center. I'm from Canada? You clearly know nothing about me and nothing about this game.
by howard being #1 do you mean for a center or...overall? like seriously?
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May 18 2010, 09:32 PM
lol. In reference to "Somedude"'s comment about Kobe being better than Lebron. I disagree, I believe he is already better than Jordan. Jordan didn't play people that were good, not to mention he had a stacked team. Lebron plays point guard shooting guard small forward and center for that team. He would be one of the best point guards in the league if he wanted to be. And his defense certainly surpasses Jordans. If Jordan played guys from now adays. Especially ppl like Lebron. He wouldnt put up those numbers. He would be great. But not better than Lebron. Lebron is the best that ever played the games. He took a team that had not one player that would start on another solid team, to the finals. Jordan had the best rebounder in the game(Rodman) so he had a lot of opportunities as well. People refuse to see it but if they look who jordan played against and lebron plays against they wouild see. People like Iguodala would have been extremely dominant in Jordans time. EXTREMELY dominant.
I can't believe this shit I'm reading. I really want to continue debating a bit with TheAnimal (I had a few more decent points) but really this bullshit this guy keeps posting is actually getting me fairly upset. The total ignorance and wow.

I think it's time for a team up Animal. Need to get this kid out of this thread. He's ruining it.
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lol.............................................................. I didn't see the 1. Howard, 2.Kobe, 3. Lebron. Man stop embaressing yourself. You are stupid. Lebron is number 1 lmao be serious. Then Kobe then maybe, maybe Howard. Gosh, quit talking. You do not watch basketball. Your probably from Canada or something.
WHAT? LOL You don't put fucking Dwight Howard number 1 overall in the league?


You build a fucking team around the center. I'm from Canada? You clearly know nothing about me and nothing about this game.
by howard being #1 do you mean for a center or...overall? like seriously?
I mean if I was drafting a team and I could pick anyone from the NBA right now, I'd pick Howard 1 overall. There is no other decent center in the league (which really helps make this decision) and he is really dominant.
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this thread is about the conference finals.. not who the best player is. lebron is out of the playoffs so lets talk about rondo, kobe.. etc..

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May 19 2010, 02:22 AM
this thread is about the conference finals.. not who the best player is. lebron is out of the playoffs so lets talk about rondo, kobe.. etc..

the celtics are playing really really well, i didn't expect them to go up 2-0 against the magic at all, but if the lakers and kobe keep playing like they've been playing, i don't know if the celtics can stop them.
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i wonder if the suns can pull an upset tomorrow, i'd like to see a good 6 or 7 game series, but i don't think they can stop the lakers. the lakers' defense pretty much disables the suns 3 point shooting which is the cornerstone of their offense, and on the other end they have no answer to gasol/bynum/odom in the paint. moreover, they don't have anyone who can really guard kobe that well.
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lol. In reference to "Somedude"'s comment about Kobe being better than Lebron. I disagree, I believe he is already better than Jordan. Jordan didn't play people that were good, not to mention he had a stacked team. Lebron plays point guard shooting guard small forward and center for that team. He would be one of the best point guards in the league if he wanted to be. And his defense certainly surpasses Jordans. If Jordan played guys from now adays. Especially ppl like Lebron. He wouldnt put up those numbers. He would be great. But not better than Lebron. Lebron is the best that ever played the games. He took a team that had not one player that would start on another solid team, to the finals. Jordan had the best rebounder in the game(Rodman) so he had a lot of opportunities as well. People refuse to see it but if they look who jordan played against and lebron plays against they wouild see. People like Iguodala would have been extremely dominant in Jordans time. EXTREMELY dominant.
r u dumb? he didnt play people that were good?
magic johnson
larry bird
dominique wilkins
patrick ewing
robert parish
kevin mchale
cedric maxwell
Isaiah Thomas
Hakeem Olajuwan
James Worthy
kareem abdul-jabbar
joe dumars
charles barkley
Karl Malone
John stockton
reggie miller
shaq
david robinson
dr. j were just some of the players

On top of that, he's influenced the game of Kobe, Lebron, Wade, all those players. I've heard it all now.
I was about to make a list like this. Fuck sakes. Also Jordan never had an "amazing" team. He had Pippen (and I guess you can say Rodman). No good centers ever though. Couple token white shooters outside and that's about it.



Also to continue this Lebron Kobe debate. Probably my last post on this particular issue. I have to again reiterate that Lebron does not have a post game. Can he drive well to the basket? Yeah he can, but I've never seen Lebron do some real work in the paint. He certainly has the body type and height to be able to do so, but he hasn't put the time and effort in to develop it like Jordan and Kobe did. As far as Jordan's post game (had an argument about this with a friend of mine today about this topic) and I argued that Jordan in his prime had the best post game in the NBA with Olajuwan being a close 2nd. If Lebron were to develop something along those lines it would greatly help his game (you know for like those times when he is not shooting well at all outside) which is something I feel separates Kobe from Lebron.

As you stated both have bad shooting games. When Lebron has bad shooting games he drives to the basket which is good and all, but bigger chance for charges and really not as skillful compared to Kobe going down into the post.

That argument you really can't refute with any of your stats. Also I have never seen Jordan or Kobe quit the way Lebron did in the last 2 games of that Celtics series. You are correct, Lebron deserves his credit (I never said he didn't), but that was just unacceptable. I mean I explicitly remember a game where Jordan was sick with the flu, had a high temp. and fucking half collapses after winning a pivotal playoff game.

Oh here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4BswHnf0xM

That series was fucking epic going back and forth with Malone and Stockton, but I digress. Let's just continue to disagree and move on.


Orlando down 2-0? WTF.
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