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gatman
May 27 2010, 07:33 PM
tek9
May 27 2010, 05:46 PM
Look niggeh I put that shit into complete simple words.

Why do you think you were brought here on earth? There is obviously going to be a lot of hardship in your life, but thats where you come in to decide what to do in order to get past it. If you simply kill yourself you failed your task as a human being and have absolute zero confidence or faith in yourself. Everybody has speed bumps in their lives and God puts obstacles in our way in order to see the outcome. Like I already said life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it. There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive. The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel worse. Secondly you're cheating your own "natural" death, this is frowned upon because God already has a death planned for which simply concludes suicide to be someone who is weak-hearted and the fact that, that person wouldn't have been a great follower. There is always something ahead of you in the future, really no reason why you should commit suicide.
The most basic philosophical question is should i kill myself.
If you think it is a dangerous and or a bad/weak way to think you are completely wrong.
If you don't have any reason to live, then why continue torturing yourself, it's has always created lengthy debates example legalization of euthanasia by choice to patients with terminal illnesses.

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There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive.

Ummm, i think there are multiple logical reasons such as; Dying from a terminal illness that you know you will inevitably die from and every day is just painful. And if anything it would be selfish of us to deny them the right to relieve the pain.
Why don't you kill yourself? As i see it you are a waste of us smarter people's resources.
Strong and confident? Sounds more like thick skull-ed and ignorant.

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life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it

God damn, seriously? If i had to live like that i would kill myself, what a sad narrow minded way of viewing life.

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God already has a death planned

Sure "god" gave us free will but obviously he already knows everything as he has set out fate thus he already knows you will commit suicide?

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The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel wors

Pretty much another point to why you religious folk are narrow minded. I think it is very selfish to keep a person living simply because it will hurt you if they die even if they were in pain and wanted to die. Any logical person would see that as being selfish.

Most of these suicide are for the weak ideologies are founded on top of death fears.
But if you think we were brought to the earth to wear hats, obviously i cannot see you comprehending half the shit i say.
This is exactly why people like you are so narrow-minded. There is a completely different ideology between religious people and people like you. You and I have a completely different perspective on life as a whole and if you can't recognize that yourself, you yourself are hypocritical and you are exactly what you accuse us of being (narrow-minded). In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.
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Tek, It's really not as if its a savage/tragic ending.

We just have to look back in history.
Ancient Rome, instead of giving the enemy the pleasure of killing you generals used to commit suicide. You can interpret this as either being a pussy for not letting the enemy behead you and parade you round as a joke OR you can see how much integrity it takes to take your own life rather than be someone you don't want to.
Ancient Japan, if you lost a battle you were expected to commit suicide to uphold your families honor.
I'm not saying this isn't ethical, but do you think the Japanese saw suicide as a virtue of the weak? Obviously not, if anything it was to show how much integrity you had.

When it comes down to it, suicide is all about your perception. I don't see the tragedy in suicide, i see the tragedy in what must have caused it.

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This is exactly why people like you are so narrow-minded. There is a completely different ideology between religious people and people like you. You and I have a completely different perspective on life as a whole and if you can't recognize that yourself, you yourself are hypocritical and you are exactly what you accuse us of being (narrow-minded). In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.


I think you have got to me more specific if you want me to acknowledge your point.
I was calling religious people narrow minded because they don't look outside the box, but i try to as much as possible, i take your perspective into consideration as well as others. I'm sure that is the opposite definition of narrow minded.
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May 27 2010, 05:46 PM
Look niggeh I put that shit into complete simple words.

Why do you think you were brought here on earth? There is obviously going to be a lot of hardship in your life, but thats where you come in to decide what to do in order to get past it. If you simply kill yourself you failed your task as a human being and have absolute zero confidence or faith in yourself. Everybody has speed bumps in their lives and God puts obstacles in our way in order to see the outcome. Like I already said life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it. There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive. The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel worse. Secondly you're cheating your own "natural" death, this is frowned upon because God already has a death planned for which simply concludes suicide to be someone who is weak-hearted and the fact that, that person wouldn't have been a great follower. There is always something ahead of you in the future, really no reason why you should commit suicide.
The most basic philosophical question is should i kill myself.
If you think it is a dangerous and or a bad/weak way to think you are completely wrong.
If you don't have any reason to live, then why continue torturing yourself, it's has always created lengthy debates example legalization of euthanasia by choice to patients with terminal illnesses.

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There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive.

Ummm, i think there are multiple logical reasons such as; Dying from a terminal illness that you know you will inevitably die from and every day is just painful. And if anything it would be selfish of us to deny them the right to relieve the pain.
Why don't you kill yourself? As i see it you are a waste of us smarter people's resources.
Strong and confident? Sounds more like thick skull-ed and ignorant.

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life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it

God damn, seriously? If i had to live like that i would kill myself, what a sad narrow minded way of viewing life.

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God already has a death planned

Sure "god" gave us free will but obviously he already knows everything as he has set out fate thus he already knows you will commit suicide?

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The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel wors

Pretty much another point to why you religious folk are narrow minded. I think it is very selfish to keep a person living simply because it will hurt you if they die even if they were in pain and wanted to die. Any logical person would see that as being selfish.

Most of these suicide are for the weak ideologies are founded on top of death fears.
But if you think we were brought to the earth to wear hats, obviously i cannot see you comprehending half the shit i say.
This is exactly why people like you are so narrow-minded. There is a completely different ideology between religious people and people like you. You and I have a completely different perspective on life as a whole and if you can't recognize that yourself, you yourself are hypocritical and you are exactly what you accuse us of being (narrow-minded). In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.
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As for people that commit suicide. Who the fuck are you morons to say we've never known people that are afflicted with depression and other conditions. EVERYONE has thought about suicide one point in their life one way or another, people think about stuff like "What if I was alive?" Stuff happens, I know plenty of people.

I knew somebody who committed suicide because a girl said no when he asked her to senior prom.

I know somebody who suffers from extreme depression, yet they trudge through every day because they aren't going to quit ( I know this person personally and they aren't very decisive and they don't have strong will power). This person isn't strong mentally and still comes to work everyday and never quits, what does that indicate? That this person is a special case? No, it means this person isn't ready to give up on life like all these other morons. No matter how tough life gets, there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it. I love how all the people posting saying that we are insensitive are probably people who believe in psychology (if you actually looked into psychology/ took classes/ were serious about it, you would know that less than 50% of the theories actually work, they are just a nice way to model some data and are not actually correct<-- you can look into this yourself and I guarantee you will come out with the same results, I've discussed this with a multitude of people and they've all agreed with me). Never a reason to give up, never.
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May 27 2010, 08:40 PM
As for people that commit suicide. Who the fuck are you morons to say we've never known people that are afflicted with depression and other conditions. EVERYONE has thought about suicide one point in their life one way or another, people think about stuff like "What if I was alive?" Stuff happens, I know plenty of people.

I knew somebody who committed suicide because a girl said no when he asked her to senior prom.

I know somebody who suffers from extreme depression, yet they trudge through every day because they aren't going to quit ( I know this person personally and they aren't very decisive and they don't have strong will power). This person isn't strong mentally and still comes to work everyday and never quits, what does that indicate? That this person is a special case? No, it means this person isn't ready to give up on life like all these other morons. No matter how tough life gets, there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it. I love how all the people posting saying that we are insensitive are probably people who believe in psychology (if you actually looked into psychology/ took classes/ were serious about it, you would know that less than 50% of the theories actually work, they are just a nice way to model some data and are not actually correct<-- you can look into this yourself and I guarantee you will come out with the same results, I've discussed this with a multitude of people and they've all agreed with me). Never a reason to give up, never.
...so do you think people who kill themselves are pussy?
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I know somebody who suffers from extreme depression, yet they trudge through every day because they aren't going to quit ( I know this person personally and they aren't very decisive and they don't have strong will power). This person isn't strong mentally and still comes to work everyday and never quits, what does that indicate? That this person is a special case? No, it means this person isn't ready to give up on life like all these other morons. No matter how tough life gets, there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it. I love how all the people posting saying that we are insensitive are probably people who believe in psychology (if you actually looked into psychology/ took classes/ were serious about it, you would know that less than 50% of the theories actually work, they are just a nice way to model some data and are not actually correct<-- you can look into this yourself and I guarantee you will come out with the same results, I've discussed this with a multitude of people and they've all agreed with me). Never a reason to give up, never.
That's great that you have talked to people who agree tell that to the philosophical intellectuals that believe euthanasia should be legalized to people with terminal illnesses who want it.

Depression? pft, have you ever talked to someone who cannot move because of a terminal illness?
Do you honestly believe there is no exceptions? I mean This person for example knows he will die inevitable from the illness very shortly, he lives every day in pain just awaiting the day, he wants to die but he can't legally be given euthanasia because its illegal. He cannot commit suicide because he is immobilized to a hospital bed.

Don't say there are no logical reasons to commit suicide you only have to look so hard into utilitarianism.
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May 27 2010, 08:28 PM
Tek, It's really not as if its a savage/tragic ending.

We just have to look back in history.
Ancient Rome, instead of giving the enemy the pleasure of killing you generals used to commit suicide. You can interpret this as either being a pussy for not letting the enemy behead you and parade you round as a joke OR you can see how much integrity it takes to take your own life rather than be someone you don't want to.
Ancient Japan, if you lost a battle you were expected to commit suicide to uphold your families honor.
I'm not saying this isn't ethical, but do you think the Japanese saw suicide as a virtue of the weak? Obviously not, if anything it was to show how much integrity you had.

When it comes down to it, suicide is all about your perception. I don't see the tragedy in suicide, i see the tragedy in what must have caused it.

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This is exactly why people like you are so narrow-minded. There is a completely different ideology between religious people and people like you. You and I have a completely different perspective on life as a whole and if you can't recognize that yourself, you yourself are hypocritical and you are exactly what you accuse us of being (narrow-minded). In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.


I think you have got to me more specific if you want me to acknowledge your point.
I was calling religious people narrow minded because they don't look outside the box, but i try to as much as possible, i take your perspective into consideration as well as others. I'm sure that is the opposite definition of narrow minded.
Both those examples you posted are completely irrelevant to today's society. Both societies had people that committed suicide to retain their own honor, especially in Japanese society. The people in Japanese society would commit suicide to redeem themselves after they had committed a shameful action (look into General Nogi for example). The society of today is completely different from those two.

What do you mean more specific? Don't you dare try and say "I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE." What I'm trying to say is that I look at the world from my perspective (ok sure I believe in God, but how does this make me narrow-minded?). You on the other hand look at the world from your perspective. Your first assertion was that all religious people are narrow-minded, and you definitely generalized so don't try and say you didn't. I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded? I still don't understand what you mean by your comment, you clearly don't take into "my perspective" based on your previous statements. Just saying, you have your view on life and I have mine, doesn't make you any different from me, and I don't go around here saying that like you. You clearly are flaunting your arrogance and showing everyone else how narrow-minded you are by coming into a thread and saying "dude you believe in god, you can't think outside of the box, lawl narrow-minded?"
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As for people that commit suicide. Who the fuck are you morons to say we've never known people that are afflicted with depression and other conditions. EVERYONE has thought about suicide one point in their life one way or another, people think about stuff like "What if I was alive?" Stuff happens, I know plenty of people.

I knew somebody who committed suicide because a girl said no when he asked her to senior prom.

I know somebody who suffers from extreme depression, yet they trudge through every day because they aren't going to quit ( I know this person personally and they aren't very decisive and they don't have strong will power). This person isn't strong mentally and still comes to work everyday and never quits, what does that indicate? That this person is a special case? No, it means this person isn't ready to give up on life like all these other morons. No matter how tough life gets, there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it. I love how all the people posting saying that we are insensitive are probably people who believe in psychology (if you actually looked into psychology/ took classes/ were serious about it, you would know that less than 50% of the theories actually work, they are just a nice way to model some data and are not actually correct<-- you can look into this yourself and I guarantee you will come out with the same results, I've discussed this with a multitude of people and they've all agreed with me). Never a reason to give up, never.
...so do you think people who kill themselves are pussy?
No, I said people are looking for an easy way out.
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I know somebody who suffers from extreme depression, yet they trudge through every day because they aren't going to quit ( I know this person personally and they aren't very decisive and they don't have strong will power). This person isn't strong mentally and still comes to work everyday and never quits, what does that indicate? That this person is a special case? No, it means this person isn't ready to give up on life like all these other morons. No matter how tough life gets, there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it. I love how all the people posting saying that we are insensitive are probably people who believe in psychology (if you actually looked into psychology/ took classes/ were serious about it, you would know that less than 50% of the theories actually work, they are just a nice way to model some data and are not actually correct<-- you can look into this yourself and I guarantee you will come out with the same results, I've discussed this with a multitude of people and they've all agreed with me). Never a reason to give up, never.
That's great that you have talked to people who agree tell that to the philosophical intellectuals that believe euthanasia should be legalized to people with terminal illnesses who want it.

Depression? pft, have you ever talked to someone who cannot move because of a terminal illness?
Do you honestly believe there is no exceptions? I mean This person for example knows he will die inevitable from the illness very shortly, he lives every day in pain just awaiting the day, he wants to die but he can't legally be given euthanasia because its illegal. He cannot commit suicide because he is immobilized to a hospital bed.

Don't say there are no logical reasons to commit suicide you only have to look so hard into utilitarianism.
What the fuck at your first comment, when did I talk about euthanasia at all?

Love, how you pretty much ignored my examples completely, both of them. Actually, yes I have talked to a lot of people that are terminally ill because I have volunteered at 3 major hospitals in my city, have you?

I really did not understand any of your points because they do not relate to what I contested at all, congratulations. Utilitarianism, what? LOL, dude the person I'm talking about just chose to live on. Clearly, the reasons are logical for the people that do it, whether they are in a stable mental condition or not.
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May 27 2010, 08:49 PM
Both those examples you posted are completely irrelevant to today's society. Both societies had people that committed suicide to retain their own honor, especially in Japanese society. The people in Japanese society would commit suicide to redeem themselves after they had committed a shameful action (look into General Nogi for example). The society of today is completely different from those two.

What do you mean more specific? Don't you dare try and say "I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE." What I'm trying to say is that I look at the world from my perspective (ok sure I believe in God, but how does this make me narrow-minded?). You on the other hand look at the world from your perspective. Your first assertion was that all religious people are narrow-minded, and you definitely generalized so don't try and say you didn't. I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded? I still don't understand what you mean by your comment, you clearly don't take into "my perspective" based on your previous statements. Just saying, you have your view on life and I have mine, doesn't make you any different from me, and I don't go around here saying that like you. You clearly are flaunting your arrogance and showing everyone else how narrow-minded you are by coming into a thread and saying "dude you believe in god, you can't think outside of the box, lawl narrow-minded?"
Exactly my point, it was acceptable in that society at the time.
And now today in our society it's generally not accepted, but why? Nothing has really changed except our beliefs.
And to say its completely different wouldn't be entirely true, i am sure Japanese people still have the same beliefs, take the Japanese WWII generals or kamikaze fighters.

I mean be more specific!
I am calling you narrow minded and anyone who thinks religion is for the weak. WHY?
Because I've already got the knowledge of your side and my side, you have know of your side. And that's why i may come off arrogant, because in this case i truely do think that my perspective on this is superior.

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I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded?

Probably does, because now you set beliefs, how are you supposed to be open minded and be open to all possibilities if you cannot change the set beliefs

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What the fuck at your first comment, when did I talk about euthanasia at all?


You didn't but i am giving you one logical reason to WHY SUICIDE IS REASONABLE. I was replying to you saying it wasn't rererereremumba?

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Utilitarianism, what? LOL, dude the person I'm talking about just chose to live on. Clearly, the reasons are logical for the people that do it, whether they are in a stable mental condition or not.


Utilitarianism- Philosophy of promoting utility
So a logical argument could be, kill yourself to save the smarter people resources. Even if you don't agree its "logical". Which is my point.
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May 27 2010, 05:46 PM
Look niggeh I put that shit into complete simple words.

Why do you think you were brought here on earth? There is obviously going to be a lot of hardship in your life, but thats where you come in to decide what to do in order to get past it. If you simply kill yourself you failed your task as a human being and have absolute zero confidence or faith in yourself. Everybody has speed bumps in their lives and God puts obstacles in our way in order to see the outcome. Like I already said life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it. There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive. The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel worse. Secondly you're cheating your own "natural" death, this is frowned upon because God already has a death planned for which simply concludes suicide to be someone who is weak-hearted and the fact that, that person wouldn't have been a great follower. There is always something ahead of you in the future, really no reason why you should commit suicide.
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Both those examples you posted are completely irrelevant to today's society. Both societies had people that committed suicide to retain their own honor, especially in Japanese society. The people in Japanese society would commit suicide to redeem themselves after they had committed a shameful action (look into General Nogi for example). The society of today is completely different from those two.

What do you mean more specific? Don't you dare try and say "I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE." What I'm trying to say is that I look at the world from my perspective (ok sure I believe in God, but how does this make me narrow-minded?). You on the other hand look at the world from your perspective. Your first assertion was that all religious people are narrow-minded, and you definitely generalized so don't try and say you didn't. I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded? I still don't understand what you mean by your comment, you clearly don't take into "my perspective" based on your previous statements. Just saying, you have your view on life and I have mine, doesn't make you any different from me, and I don't go around here saying that like you. You clearly are flaunting your arrogance and showing everyone else how narrow-minded you are by coming into a thread and saying "dude you believe in god, you can't think outside of the box, lawl narrow-minded?"
Exactly my point, it was acceptable in that society at the time.
And now today in our society it's generally not accepted, but why? Nothing has really changed except our beliefs.
And to say its completely different wouldn't be entirely true, i am sure Japanese people still have the same beliefs, take the Japanese WWII generals or kamikaze fighters.

I mean be more specific!
I am calling you narrow minded and anyone who thinks religion is for the weak. WHY?
Because I've already got the knowledge of your side and my side, you have know of your side. And that's why i may come off arrogant, because in this case i truely do think that my perspective on this is superior.

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I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded?

Probably does, because now you set beliefs, how are you supposed to be open minded and be open to all possibilities if you cannot change the set beliefs?
When I say flirted, I mean I've looked in-depth to each of these beliefs, and yes I have attained a set of certain beliefs. Have you not done the same? I'm sure everyone has a set of certain beliefs, mine can be changed at any time just as yours can. You are not making any sense here.

Your arrogant comment has just made you look like a complete moron in front of every single person in this thread including any people that defended you. You are no longer worth anybody's time.
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Look niggeh I put that shit into complete simple words.

Why do you think you were brought here on earth? There is obviously going to be a lot of hardship in your life, but thats where you come in to decide what to do in order to get past it. If you simply kill yourself you failed your task as a human being and have absolute zero confidence or faith in yourself. Everybody has speed bumps in their lives and God puts obstacles in our way in order to see the outcome. Like I already said life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it. There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive. The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel worse. Secondly you're cheating your own "natural" death, this is frowned upon because God already has a death planned for which simply concludes suicide to be someone who is weak-hearted and the fact that, that person wouldn't have been a great follower. There is always something ahead of you in the future, really no reason why you should commit suicide.
The most basic philosophical question is should i kill myself.
If you think it is a dangerous and or a bad/weak way to think you are completely wrong.
If you don't have any reason to live, then why continue torturing yourself, it's has always created lengthy debates example legalization of euthanasia by choice to patients with terminal illnesses.

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There is no reason why you should kill yourself which is why the strong and confident always survive.

Ummm, i think there are multiple logical reasons such as; Dying from a terminal illness that you know you will inevitably die from and every day is just painful. And if anything it would be selfish of us to deny them the right to relieve the pain.
Why don't you kill yourself? As i see it you are a waste of us smarter people's resources.
Strong and confident? Sounds more like thick skull-ed and ignorant.

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life is a test its up to you if you want to pass it

God damn, seriously? If i had to live like that i would kill myself, what a sad narrow minded way of viewing life.

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God already has a death planned

Sure "god" gave us free will but obviously he already knows everything as he has set out fate thus he already knows you will commit suicide?

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The way us religious folks see it is that first of all, you're being selfish to other people that know you because you will just make their lives feel wors

Pretty much another point to why you religious folk are narrow minded. I think it is very selfish to keep a person living simply because it will hurt you if they die even if they were in pain and wanted to die. Any logical person would see that as being selfish.

Most of these suicide are for the weak ideologies are founded on top of death fears.
But if you think we were brought to the earth to wear hats, obviously i cannot see you comprehending half the shit i say.
This is exactly why people like you are so narrow-minded. There is a completely different ideology between religious people and people like you. You and I have a completely different perspective on life as a whole and if you can't recognize that yourself, you yourself are hypocritical and you are exactly what you accuse us of being (narrow-minded). In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.
He's right. If you believe in spritiualism as the explanation of reality, you string events and concepts as animistic signs (or as more commonly seen in the western civilizations, Judeo-Christian, as signs of God.) If you believe in science, you experience science, if you believe in gods, you experience gods.
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May 27 2010, 08:59 PM
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Both those examples you posted are completely irrelevant to today's society. Both societies had people that committed suicide to retain their own honor, especially in Japanese society. The people in Japanese society would commit suicide to redeem themselves after they had committed a shameful action (look into General Nogi for example). The society of today is completely different from those two.

What do you mean more specific? Don't you dare try and say "I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE." What I'm trying to say is that I look at the world from my perspective (ok sure I believe in God, but how does this make me narrow-minded?). You on the other hand look at the world from your perspective. Your first assertion was that all religious people are narrow-minded, and you definitely generalized so don't try and say you didn't. I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded? I still don't understand what you mean by your comment, you clearly don't take into "my perspective" based on your previous statements. Just saying, you have your view on life and I have mine, doesn't make you any different from me, and I don't go around here saying that like you. You clearly are flaunting your arrogance and showing everyone else how narrow-minded you are by coming into a thread and saying "dude you believe in god, you can't think outside of the box, lawl narrow-minded?"
Exactly my point, it was acceptable in that society at the time.
And now today in our society it's generally not accepted, but why? Nothing has really changed except our beliefs.
And to say its completely different wouldn't be entirely true, i am sure Japanese people still have the same beliefs, take the Japanese WWII generals or kamikaze fighters.

I mean be more specific!
I am calling you narrow minded and anyone who thinks religion is for the weak. WHY?
Because I've already got the knowledge of your side and my side, you have know of your side. And that's why i may come off arrogant, because in this case i truely do think that my perspective on this is superior.

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I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded?

Probably does, because now you set beliefs, how are you supposed to be open minded and be open to all possibilities if you cannot change the set beliefs?
When I say flirted, I mean I've looked in-depth to each of these beliefs, and yes I have attained a set of certain beliefs. Have you not done the same? I'm sure everyone has a set of certain beliefs, mine can be changed at any time just as yours can. You are not making any sense here.

Your arrogant comment has just made you look like a complete moron in front of every single person in this thread including any people that defended you. You are no longer worth anybody's time.
Anybody that is worth anytime would have realized that i have one again proved you wrong.

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there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it.


I have given you the example of a terminal illness patient.
I have given other reasonable examples of why you should take your life.
I will give you another to please the other godamn retards like baddy here, JESUS TECHNICALLY COMMITED SUICIDE TO SAVE YOUR SINS. So again another fucking logical reason to take your life is to save others.

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Both those examples you posted are completely irrelevant to today's society. Both societies had people that committed suicide to retain their own honor, especially in Japanese society. The people in Japanese society would commit suicide to redeem themselves after they had committed a shameful action (look into General Nogi for example). The society of today is completely different from those two.

What do you mean more specific? Don't you dare try and say "I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE." What I'm trying to say is that I look at the world from my perspective (ok sure I believe in God, but how does this make me narrow-minded?). You on the other hand look at the world from your perspective. Your first assertion was that all religious people are narrow-minded, and you definitely generalized so don't try and say you didn't. I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded? I still don't understand what you mean by your comment, you clearly don't take into "my perspective" based on your previous statements. Just saying, you have your view on life and I have mine, doesn't make you any different from me, and I don't go around here saying that like you. You clearly are flaunting your arrogance and showing everyone else how narrow-minded you are by coming into a thread and saying "dude you believe in god, you can't think outside of the box, lawl narrow-minded?"
Exactly my point, it was acceptable in that society at the time.
And now today in our society it's generally not accepted, but why? Nothing has really changed except our beliefs.
And to say its completely different wouldn't be entirely true, i am sure Japanese people still have the same beliefs, take the Japanese WWII generals or kamikaze fighters.

I mean be more specific!
I am calling you narrow minded and anyone who thinks religion is for the weak. WHY?
Because I've already got the knowledge of your side and my side, you have know of your side. And that's why i may come off arrogant, because in this case i truely do think that my perspective on this is superior.

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I've flirted with multiple perspectives on life and I came to a conclusion on one that gives my life purpose besides making babies and dieing, does that make me narrow-minded?

Probably does, because now you set beliefs, how are you supposed to be open minded and be open to all possibilities if you cannot change the set beliefs?
When I say flirted, I mean I've looked in-depth to each of these beliefs, and yes I have attained a set of certain beliefs. Have you not done the same? I'm sure everyone has a set of certain beliefs, mine can be changed at any time just as yours can. You are not making any sense here.

Your arrogant comment has just made you look like a complete moron in front of every single person in this thread including any people that defended you. You are no longer worth anybody's time.
Anybody that is worth anytime would have realized that i have one again proved you wrong.

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there is NEVER a good enough reason to take your life. It's an easy way out and everyone knows it.


I have given you the example of a terminal illness patient.
I have given other reasonable examples of why you should take your life.
I will give you another to please the other godamn retards like baddy here, JESUS TECHNICALLY COMMITED SUICIDE TO SAVE YOUR SINS. So again another fucking logical reason to take your life is to save others.

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I'd love to have someone intelligent read through my posts along with yours and see what you have actually contested, you have made absolutely NO points and your argument is completely irrelevant to what I tried to prove you incorrect in. My view on suicide is completely different from yours, that's not even what I was arguing so that's -2 right there and I'm not Christian so that's another -2, 1 for the comment and 1 for assuming that I'm Christian.

Let's see where we actually stand

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gatman seems very angry, can't get over peoples opinions of committing suicide. I think you should go the same if that's the problem here, very mad grr.






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I know you aren't christian. You have previously told me you are Muslim. I respect that.
But if you read my post about the christian example, it was directed at the main sheep baddy.

The only point i have tried to make is that there are reasons why you should commit suicide.
And obviously i have given examples that even you cannot deny are perfectly reasonable (i.e. to save more lives by sacrificing your own).

And the only point you made directed at me of me being narrow minded was instantly shot down.

Mad? Not really, lol. Try empathy.
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JESUS TECHNICALLY COMMITED SUICIDE TO SAVE YOUR SINS. So again another fucking logical reason to take your life is to save others.

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that's a terrible example.
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I know you aren't christian. You have previously told me you are Muslim. I respect that.
But if you read my post about the christian example, it was directed at the main sheep baddy.

The only point i have tried to make is that there are reasons why you should commit suicide.
And obviously i have given examples that even you cannot deny are perfectly reasonable (i.e. to save more lives by sacrificing your own).

And the only point you made directed at me of me being narrow minded was instantly shot down
Read motels post on the bottom of page 6 in conjunction with mine, it makes perfect sense and nobody here can deny that. Yet again, our views on suicide are completely different, just leave it at that.
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JESUS TECHNICALLY COMMITED SUICIDE TO SAVE YOUR SINS. So again another fucking logical reason to take your life is to save others.

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that's a terrible example.
So killing yourself to save others is a terrible example?

Get the fuck out you dimwitted retard lmfao.

And again ice, motels post would make sense if i was taking sides. But i don't, i will listen to any argument or belief. I try to be as open minded as possible, i not only accept your believes but i respect them. I was just giving you examples or exception flaws in your belief of there is no good reason to commit suicide.
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JESUS TECHNICALLY COMMITED SUICIDE TO SAVE YOUR SINS. So again another fucking logical reason to take your life is to save others.

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that's a terrible example.
So killing yourself to save others is a terrible example?

Get the fuck out you dimwitted retard lmfao.
yeah the people on the bridge in that video, killed their self to save others right, and so did everybody else that has committed suicide, correct?
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p.s face it, its peoples opinions, all I see is you and red-i arguing about peoples opinions, don't you live in New Zealand? Get a life and go to bed or something, what time is it over there?
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i don't think you can argue this logically gatman/lucky, this isn't something that can be because everyone has different standards of whats a justifiable reason to kill yourself over. i personally think it's incredibly stupid to throw life away, but suicide might seem like the only solution to someone whose life is just utter shit.
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