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questions and footage were highly bias but still funny
http://www.youtube.com/user/NewLeftMedia#p/u/0/zbyFeFhUTmI
I hate talking politics so i look for the humor in both parties :D
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I don't have any desire to get in a North v. South/ East v. West/ Big Cities v. Rural Areas battle. I think the majority of the electorate is uninformed/and or stupid. And I don't say that to mean if you aren't liberal, you are uninformed, or if you are conservative, you have to be uninformed. That's the insinuation I get from some people in this thread...the better educated you are, clearly modern liberalism is the only way to go. I'm just saying most voters aren't informed whatsoever on issues and they mainly view politics as some kind of sporting event with Republicans and Democrats being the [only] two teams.
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Jun 3 2010, 03:17 PM
I don't have any desire to get in a North v. South/ East v. West/ Big Cities v. Rural Areas battle. I think the majority of the electorate is uninformed/and or stupid. And I don't say that to mean if you aren't liberal, you are uninformed, or if you are conservative, you have to be uninformed. That's the insinuation I get from some people in this thread...the better educated you are, clearly modern liberalism is the only way to go.
high levels of education actually produce an even split in regards to political affilitation
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Yeh, neither side has the intellectual high ground....although one seems to think it does :\
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That's not what I was meaning personally, being educated does not equal modern liberalism, infact being educated is bringing more libertarian beliefs to light, I've noticed. I find some liberals dumb...too politically correct, not enough strong arguments to play with without ridicule, shit like that
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Jun 3 2010, 03:22 PM
Yeh, neither side has the intellectual high ground....although one seems to think it does :\
The states with the highest iq average are liberal, whilst the states with the lowest iq average are conservative. I'm not talking democratic parties versus republican, because those are all just groups which are largely motivated by self interest.
http://www.asanet.org/images/journals/docs/pdf/spq/Mar10SPQFeature.pdf
http://www.md-writer.com/blog/?p=1167
The smarter one is, the more likely they are to be both liberal and atheist/agnostic.
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"Militant atheism" is just as bad as any totalitarian or such beliefs, although almost 100% of the time I side with that view, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennet, and the other two horsemen (can't remember them right now lol) are cool as shit (especially Dawkin's memetic theory which we use in common language now, "memes"), and it doesn't mean you're smarter if you're an atheist, you just don't adhere to the belief of the bible as your main concept of reality. IQ is just one way of determining intelligence, we also have EQ (emotional intelligence) which people know about, and AQ which is coming out "Adaptive Intelligence", how one is able to adapt to new environments, thoughts, beliefs, etc.

Good point though Balla
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Jun 3 2010, 03:43 PM
"Militant atheism" is just as bad as any totalitarian or such beliefs, although almost 100% of the time I side with that view, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennet, and the other two horsemen (can't remember them right now lol) are cool as shit (especially Dawkin's memetic theory which we use in common language now, "memes"), and it doesn't mean you're smarter if you're an atheist, you just don't adhere to the belief of the bible as your main concept of reality. IQ is just one way of determining intelligence, we also have EQ (emotional intelligence) which people know about, and AQ which is coming out "Adaptive Intelligence", how one is able to adapt to new environments, thoughts, beliefs, etc.

Good point though Balla
Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens.

Yes there are multiple views of what intelligence actually is, iq tests regard the formal aspect of intelligence. That's what I'm mainly concerned about. Atheism is an absence of belief in something, so it's retarded to compare it to a totalitarian belief, since it's not actually a belief.

Classifying someone as smart means they adhere to the most reasonable explanations for their beliefs. They adhere to the best evidence currently available and form their beliefs accordingly. People who believe in talking snakes and floods and things of such sort are less intelligent than atheists with respect to the explanation for existence.

Edit- I see you said militant atheism, yeah I agree with that, but I wouldn't call Hitchens or any of the Four Horsemen militant, since they are not violent and use only words to persuade people. If they were talking about political beliefs instead of religious beliefs, most probably wouldn't categorize them as being rude/rash/militant etc, but more likely passionate and outspoken.
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are you serious? you're a fag.
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no one wants to see a stranded whale on the beach.
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Yes it is, it's a belief that there is no god, that we control how we conduct ourselves, and such. A theist and an atheist are opposites. A theist is one who believes in a God, one god, whereas an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in one god which is a belief in itself. Objectivity and scientific inquiry are also beliefs, correct ones in my opinion, but we need to define them separately as such and in doing so subject them to the scrutiny that we do with all other subjects.

Don't get atheist and nihilism (belief in nothing, which is weird because you are BELIEVING that there is NOTHING) confused, they aren't even close

Seen your edit:

Militant atheism, to my recollection, is just as intellectual as it is "militant", in the context of their words. I totally agree with you, but I see that logic as a step, in order to really question your beliefs, be it religious or not.
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Jun 3 2010, 04:01 PM
Yes it is, it's a belief that there is no god, that we control how we conduct ourselves, and such. A theist and an atheist are opposites. A theist is one who believes in a God, one god, whereas an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in one god which is a belief in itself. Objectivity and scientific inquiry are also beliefs, correct ones in my opinion, but we need to define them separately as such and in doing so subject them to the scrutiny that we do with all other subjects.

Don't get atheist and nihilism (belief in nothing, which is weird because you are BELIEVING that there is NOTHING) confused, they aren't even close
Atheism is a lack of belief, all it means is that you do not believe in something because there is no good evidence. It's not the same as saying there is evidence the other way around, that there is evidence that God doesn't exist or that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. There might very well be evidence that God doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it nor do I see evidence that God does in fact exist. When there is zero evidence either way, the reasonable course it to choose disbelief, otherwise we should believe in invisible elephants, unicorns, santa, the easter bunny, etc.
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Nooo, I'm agreeing with you, but atheism deals STRICTLY with god, belief in absolutely nothing is nihilism, and half beliefs are...I dunno, don't wanna say agnostic, but maybe just "not properly made arguments." I'm just commenting on your wording pretty much.

a·the·ism
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1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
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Jun 3 2010, 04:11 PM
Nooo, I'm agreeing with you, but atheism deals STRICTLY with god, belief in absolutely nothing is nihilism, and half beliefs are...I dunno, don't wanna say agnostic, but maybe just "not properly made arguments." I'm just commenting on your wording pretty much.

a·the·ism
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–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Well, I personally think the wording from your source was poor. There's a difference between "belief that there is no god" and "not believing in a god."

"Theism makes a positive belief claim in which existence of some sort of god or gods is asserted. An atheist is someone who does not accept this claim. Thus, atheism refers to the absence of theistic belief. That’s it. It doesn’t mean anything else. Atheism is not a religion, a philosophy, a worldview, or anything similar. It is not the conviction that there are no gods, ghosts, angels, etc. Rather, it is the absence of a belief that these things are real.
Atheism is nothing more than the lack of belief in a god or gods. Note that this is not the same thing as a positive claim that a god or gods do not or cannot exist. While some have described such a positive claim as “strong atheism,” it should not be taken as being synonymous with atheism."

The absence of a belief, that's how most atheists define it, including Dawkins. I've also seen atheism applied to contexts outside of religion, so I wouldn't say it's so narrow to only apply to God. Again, not sure if this is true for most people, but for me I apply the word to all beliefs and how we obtain them, not just the God thing.
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Jun 3 2010, 02:34 PM
that's pretty ignorant to say
No it's not, most of the obama supporters were black and blacks go to jail lots.
lol this isn't true. Most black people supported Clinton and when she lost they decided to support Obama. Most black people felt Obama wasn't "black" enough for them.
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that's pretty ignorant to say
No it's not, most of the obama supporters were black and blacks go to jail lots.
lol this isn't true. Most black people supported Clinton and when she lost they decided to support Obama. Most black people felt Obama wasn't "black" enough for them.
Lol I didn't know that, but I was referring to obama v mccain, at which point the blacks def. supported obama. Oprah+Obama= Black support.
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Jun 3 2010, 03:36 PM
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Yeh, neither side has the intellectual high ground....although one seems to think it does :\
The states with the highest iq average are liberal, whilst the states with the lowest iq average are conservative. I'm not talking democratic parties versus republican, because those are all just groups which are largely motivated by self interest.
http://www.asanet.org/images/journals/docs/pdf/spq/Mar10SPQFeature.pdf
http://www.md-writer.com/blog/?p=1167
The smarter one is, the more likely they are to be both liberal and atheist/agnostic.
con@completely wrong.
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nah i'm not, education doesn't equal intelligence, higher education splits pretty much evenly but intelligence doesn't. i will agree with you about atheism, though
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Yeh, neither side has the intellectual high ground....although one seems to think it does :\
The states with the highest iq average are liberal, whilst the states with the lowest iq average are conservative. I'm not talking democratic parties versus republican, because those are all just groups which are largely motivated by self interest.
http://www.asanet.org/images/journals/docs/pdf/spq/Mar10SPQFeature.pdf
http://www.md-writer.com/blog/?p=1167
The smarter one is, the more likely they are to be both liberal and atheist/agnostic.
con@completely wrong.
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nah i'm not, education doesn't equal intelligence, higher education splits pretty much evenly but intelligence doesn't. i will agree with you about atheism, though
Those links didn't judge people's intelligence by their schooling, it tested them using a variety of intelligence tests, including the WISC-R, VMI, and PPVT set of tests. Why don't you read the links I post b4 you put foot in mouth.
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Jun 3 2010, 04:01 PM
Yes it is, it's a belief that there is no god, that we control how we conduct ourselves, and such. A theist and an atheist are opposites. A theist is one who believes in a God, one god, whereas an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in one god which is a belief in itself. Objectivity and scientific inquiry are also beliefs, correct ones in my opinion, but we need to define them separately as such and in doing so subject them to the scrutiny that we do with all other subjects.

Don't get atheist and nihilism (belief in nothing, which is weird because you are BELIEVING that there is NOTHING) confused, they aren't even close

Seen your edit:

Militant atheism, to my recollection, is just as intellectual as it is "militant", in the context of their words. I totally agree with you, but I see that logic as a step, in order to really question your beliefs, be it religious or not.
saying atheism is a belief is like saying being bald is a hair style lmao. it's the absence of dogma, the absence of belief.
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I see what you mean Balla, being a modern atheist means god is a "non-issue" and it doesn't even play a role in their behavior and that "belief" just isn't there. However, I still feel it's a belief, especially how it's being played out now in modern society, so we can substitute apathy for belief in this case, to make both our arguments more sound?

Atheists are apathetic to the existence of a god, although many believe that there is no god, there are others who are apathetic on the subject.

Beliefs don't have to be religious either Con. I believe that trees are here because I see them, I don't question the fact that that tree is there or not because I can observe, touch, view it, therefore I believe in it. I believe, in a very biased way, that Halo is/was one of the best games ever created.

Belief: merriam websters this time, not dictionary.com

"1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence"

So you two are right, and sound, ok, so it's not a belief persay (although i would still argue that in a paper), so what do you believe in? scientific inquiry over religious dogma?
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