Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 02:19 PM

If you remove individual points and leave only wins/losses for the two teams, that doesn't leave much of a distinction between a scrimmage and an hpt match.

I'm not buying the argument that better players are going to play with bad teammates. The best players are going to play the majority of the matches, and the others are going to be left out with no option or team to go to. What happens in pugs and tournaments? People try to stack the teams, because they want to win (and this is a scenario in which hpt individual points are not involved).

Then there is the actual selection of players that brings up more issues. You could:
A) Have a random draft, which opens the door for teams being really uneven
B) Have a draft by two captains. So teams are selected, and sure enough player x is on a team with people he can't stand, and he wants a trade to team y. Well then, what's the point of a draft if you are going to let people switch teams right after the draft is conducted?
C) Let people choose their own team, and again leave the door open for teams being uneven.

whysodecent

Oct 12 2010, 02:21 PM

@balla - i was talking about sams post

i hope this works though. i wanna start playing a little bit again.

low

Oct 12 2010, 02:21 PM

Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 02:19 PM

If you remove individual points and leave only wins/losses for the two teams, that doesn't leave much of a distinction between a scrimmage and an hpt match.

I'm not buying the argument that better players are going to play with bad teammates. The best players are going to play the majority of the matches, and the others are going to be left out with no option or team to go to. What happens in pugs and tournaments? People try to stack the teams, because they want to win (and this is a scenario in which hpt individual points are not involved).

Then there is the actual selection of players that brings up more issues. You could:
A) Have a random draft, which opens the door for teams being really uneven
B) Have a draft by two captains. So teams are selected, and sure enough player x is on a team with people he can't stand, and he wants a trade to team y. Well then, what's the point of a draft if you are going to let people switch teams right after the draft is conducted?
C) Let people choose their own team, and again leave the door open for teams being uneven.

the draft would work, the trade idea will work because there will be a limit of one or so trade per month, you have 20/30+ people per team, you dont have to play with exactly that person who you dont like, understand?

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you could make the "better" players be boss/ captain and make it so each member of the team has a "must play X amount of matches" quota to meet or said better player gets a limit on the matches hes allowed 2play xD

blade

Oct 12 2010, 02:33 PM

Dont think this is going to work, once games start people will start forming inner cliques and after a while get annoyed at the suggestion of having to play with people they dont like. Tournaments are the way to go.

spike

Oct 12 2010, 02:48 PM

I still like my idea. Have people be put in a team with 2 or 3 people that they really like to play with. This way they can play with people that they enjoy playing with and others that they dont know. If they are missing a player they can replenish the spot by getting someone they dont usually play with. This will form new relationships and players will get more accommodated to playing with others. Like Badger said in the preceding post, you want cliques to already be formed going into groups. This will make it much easier.

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The league is an inner clique.

Until the fundamental problem of member respect and accountability is enforced by senior members and posted (no alias) match PCRs nothing will change.

low aka "BALLFUCK" badger wants to be able to play more better halo, same as members like atrophy.
but he , like sl1ck wants to maintain a competitive feel. A unified vent with 2 distinct team rosters will solve all of these problems.



hpt22 bbe does not seem interested in changing cc.cc halopc.org to accomodate the league's advancement into unity. He said he was out of the country. That is rough because halopc.org has helped to make this competition official in the past.




blade / spike - i suggest you insist on a sign up sheet for the 2 teams, with no limitations whatsoever from biased members. You both could be the on the council of each, for example.

spike

Oct 12 2010, 02:48 PM

I still like my idea. Have people be put in a team with 2 or 3 people that they really like to play with. This way they can play with people that they enjoy playing with and others that they dont know. If they are missing a player they can replenish the spot by getting someone they dont usually play with. This will form new relationships and players will get more accommodated to playing with others. Like Badger said in the preceding post, you want cliques to already be formed going into groups. This will make it much easier.

Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 02:19 PM

If you remove individual points and leave only wins/losses for the two teams, that doesn't leave much of a distinction between a scrimmage and an hpt match.

I'm not buying the argument that better players are going to play with bad teammates. The best players are going to play the majority of the matches, and the others are going to be left out with no option or team to go to. What happens in pugs and tournaments? People try to stack the teams, because they want to win (and this is a scenario in which hpt individual points are not involved).

Then there is the actual selection of players that brings up more issues. You could:
A) Have a random draft, which opens the door for teams being really uneven
B) Have a draft by two captains. So teams are selected, and sure enough player x is on a team with people he can't stand, and he wants a trade to team y. Well then, what's the point of a draft if you are going to let people switch teams right after the draft is conducted?

Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 08:40 PM

So why not just scrim with HAC? What's the difference?

Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 08:34 PM

Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 02:19 PM

If you remove individual points and leave only wins/losses for the two teams, that doesn't leave much of a distinction between a scrimmage and an hpt match.

I'm not buying the argument that better players are going to play with bad teammates. The best players are going to play the majority of the matches, and the others are going to be left out with no option or team to go to. What happens in pugs and tournaments? People try to stack the teams, because they want to win (and this is a scenario in which hpt individual points are not involved).

Then there is the actual selection of players that brings up more issues. You could:
A) Have a random draft, which opens the door for teams being really uneven
B) Have a draft by two captains. So teams are selected, and sure enough player x is on a team with people he can't stand, and he wants a trade to team y. Well then, what's the point of a draft if you are going to let people switch teams right after the draft is conducted?

Anyone care to address these?

Plus we don't even know if individual stats can be removed. I don't think they can, although it has been a while since I was in CP.

Sl1cK

Oct 12 2010, 08:40 PM

So why not just scrim with HAC? What's the difference?