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| Opeth | Oct 11 2013, 02:01 PM Post #1676 |
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Because the potential for just about any of us to fall into addiction to hard drugs is there, but our circumstances differ, and so we haven't fallen into it. It is just the card that some people have been dealt. I know this sounds like I say that there is not any fault for those people, but consider what life might be like for you had you grown up somewhere else or under a different family. People are both immature and ignorant for significant periods of their lives. With that being said, if in the wrong environment, it is easy to get into that stuff. Some kids' parents don't teach them what the deal is with drugs, and even with a number that do, the kids don't really fully understand what is being said. They can start trying the drug themselves or a good friend can influence it. Not all drug users are evil people, but the drug does corrupt those people. They pretty much involuntarily hurt their friends and family. I've known some really good people- smart people, who did a lot of hurt to themselves with drug use. My old best friend got arrested for multiple counts of armed robbery trying to get money for heroin. He was a decent kid before then, just a little bit troubled. A chick I knew was actually driving him around, and she was a really good, smart kid too. My little brother was more intelligent than I am and a sweet kid and he has been battling a multitude of drug addictions as well. I have other personal examples that I won't get into as well. What if you grew up with a different set of friends? Do you think you're somehow excluded from the group that potentially becomes addicted? Circumstances just worked in your favor. Obviously something happened in your life that cemented the idea that you should avoid hard drugs at all costs. Not everybody is in the same shoes. Don't be sure that you're out of the woods either. Your life might take you somewhere unexpected. |
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| Skyson | Oct 11 2013, 02:33 PM Post #1677 |
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Unless the person is forced into it, I won't feel sympathetic. I've been around drug users my entire life. I was one too, but not to a significant scale. Circumstances worked in my favor because I chose that way. |
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| Opeth | Oct 11 2013, 02:45 PM Post #1678 |
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You didn't choose for your environment to shape your mentality the way it has. You didn't choose your parents and other family. You didn't choose the houses you lived in as you grew up. You didn't make a conscious decision as to who you'd be when you were younger, leading to the friends you later chose. You've been around drug users your entire life? Okay. You were a drug user? Okay. Express the relevance of what being around drug users (and I'm not talking about pot) has shown you. Still, saying "unless the person is forced into it, I won't feel sympathetic" doesn't really go against anything I just said. It is like you nearly discarded everything I said, unless you just didn't feel like giving relevant responses (you'd have to specify). |
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| Deleted User | Oct 11 2013, 03:06 PM Post #1679 |
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I agree with both of you to an extent. Opeth is right about how everyone grows up in different environments that they cannot do much about, especially at a younger age. Some people go through depression from shit they deal with. Perhaps domestic Abuse, Poverty, Violence of other kinds, all with the influence of heavy drugs as well on the side. Which evidently does play a huge roll in these users. Essentially Skyson has a point about not having to feel sympathy for people that have been caught up with the drug abuse/use and doesn't feel like they deserve sympathy because they've done it to themselves - which is true in most cases. It's like having to show sympathy for hobo's on the street - we don't have to spare some change because they put themselves there. Evidently though, regardless of what situation you're put in. There are opportunities if you seek them. Sure, they may be limited but to escape immediately is nearly impossible. If you know your surroundings and know what these drugs do to you; especially in the long term then you should know the consequences in advance. That's simply human nature. Like I said, you're both right in different aspects but overall people do have opportunities (unless it's by force). For example Opeth you said your younger brother has used/uses a multitude of drugs, but what about yourself? Whether or not he's succumbed to peer-pressure I really don't think it makes much of a difference, he knew the consequences. It's like having to show sympathy for a person that cut off another person's head on a grey hound bus simply because they have a "mental disorder" - Which is extreme in this case, but would you feel bad or feel appalled at his actions? How is the family of the victim supposed to feel? Do you think they feel bad because the guy had a mental disorder? Of course not lol. TL;DR'd - Like I've said.. There are opportunities for everyone - most of the people that have issues with drugs especially the heavy kind have ultimately put themselves to it. There's not a lot of people that are forced into it and for them sympathy can be applied by all means. Regardless you can feel sympathetic towards anyone and me personally I feel sympathetic towards people that have a disability. Using drugs is NO accident these are choices you make and people should know the consequences hence why Skyson and Psycho choose to not show any sympathy towards people who overdose/abuse and use drugs. |
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| Opeth | Oct 11 2013, 03:18 PM Post #1680 |
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"Essentially Skyson has a point about not having to feel sympathy for people that have been caught up with the drug abuse/use and doesn't feel like they deserve sympathy because they've done it to themselves - which is true in most cases." I'm not sure that I agree with this in the context that you say it. Technically they do it to themselves, sure. At the same time though, there are loads of other influences- some that you've mentioned, that make it like they aren't doing it to themselves. "It's like having to show sympathy for hobo's on the street - we don't have to in most cases they put themselves there." I don't really know anything about that kind of thing.. no comment. "For example Opeth you said your younger brother has used/uses a multitude of drugs, but what about yourself? Whether or not he's succumbed to peer-pressure I really don't think it makes much of a difference, he knew the consequences." I have used a good number of drugs, and I think that I'm extremely lucky that things worked in my favor and I didn't end up getting addicted. That was in a period that I was more mentally and emotionally immature. I did not have the critical thinking skills or wisdom that I do now. In the case of my brother; I was a terrible brother to him in adolescence. I bullied him to an extremely severe point in loads of different aspects, at a time that he didn't really have any friends. Later we moved and he become really popular, ended up hanging out with the wrong crowd, and loved having so much attention and power over peers. Also, I think our dad dying had a lot of influence on his mind. You are essentially blaming somebody for being weak, where this weakness wasn't a conscious decision- rather shaped by other things. " It's like having to show sympathy for a person that cut off another person's head on a grey hound bus simply because they have a "mental disorder" " How so? I can understand being sympathetic for ending up fucked up because of abuse, for instance, but I wouldn't feel sorry for him because he killed a person. He isn't the victim in that event, like a drug user is. You raise a decent point that is kind of tangential to this though. "Using drugs is NO accident these are choices you make and people should know the consequences hence why Skyson and Psycho choose to not show any sympathy towards people who overdose/abuse and use drugs." I already brought up a point about ignorance, immaturity, weakness, and influence in these topics. Edited by Opeth, Oct 11 2013, 03:20 PM.
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| HPT-548 | Oct 11 2013, 03:32 PM Post #1681 |
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Just saw Rush in 4k, my god ron howard's done it again. the cinematography, acting, and the musical arrangements by zimmer was amazing. Bruhl was an amazing Launda, Hemsworth plays a good drunk as well lol. Probably my favorite movie/will be for the coming years. Haven't really been enchanted by anything like this in a while now. Shawshank would be the last movie that did this, but rush & shawshank aren't comparable by any means. edit: Whoever else saw Rush, thoughts on the hospital scenes after the crash? the lung pumping made me a little nauseous tbh Edited by HPT-548, Oct 11 2013, 03:33 PM.
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| Skyson | Oct 11 2013, 03:37 PM Post #1682 |
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The scene where they vacuum his lungs out really added a dark tone to the film. You need to see Gravity. |
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| HPT-548 | Oct 11 2013, 03:42 PM Post #1683 |
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The scene w/ the reporter asking if he thought his marriage would last after his face got burned & the peeling back of it also made a huge difference. that last race tho, was really expecting him to die. I came in knowing nothing about f1 racing (or its history) except that it meant formula 1 lol. |
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| Skyson | Oct 11 2013, 03:49 PM Post #1684 |
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Yes, the movie experience for Rush really depends on if you know the history of the rivalry or not. A person who has no clue who Niki Lauda or James Hunt were probably would have thought Niki was going to die in that crash. Lauda actually ended up winning the championship the following year after Hunt won. He actually won two more. James Hunt basically fell off the map after the year he won and basically retired from the sport because he completely lost his touch. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 11 2013, 03:54 PM Post #1685 |
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In regards to ignorance, immaturity, "weakness" and of course any kinds of influence to drugs. - I totally understand why some may feel sympathetic for individuals that have been caught up with drugs and have gotten addicted overall. At the end of the day it was YOUR choice and your brother's choice to use them was it not? What persuaded you? Friends? Family or Relationship issues? Niggas in 3rd world countries deal with a lot worse and even then they don't resort to drugs when it's available nearly anywhere within their vicinity because they know the outcome. So preaching "ignorance and immaturity and even weakness" is bullshit in my opinion. It's the choices you make that determine the outcome and ignorance isn't the case in most cases trust me lol. Edit: Going to watch Gravity this weekend. |
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| Skyson | Oct 11 2013, 04:04 PM Post #1686 |
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3D IMAX. I am not someone who is crazy about 3D, but I swear on all things holy that this film is only worthwhile in 3D. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 11 2013, 04:05 PM Post #1687 |
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Yeaaaaah for sure |
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| truth | Oct 11 2013, 04:06 PM Post #1688 |
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children of men is a good movie by alfanso cauron along with y tu mama tambien |
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| HPT-8 | Oct 11 2013, 09:36 PM Post #1689 |
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he s into long filmed scenes without interupption. like the beginning (12 minutes) of gr4v1ty (quake II N64 reference for you young padawans.) chidlren of men is one of my fav movies of all time =/ so what we have this week? The counselor? meh from the "no country for old men" autthor -a violent materialistic story trying to say a lot and saying absolutely nothing? probably. also is that "captain Phillips" opens. idk. already know the ending cause of when the real events happend last year or so.... what else you got for me this season hollywoods Edited by HPT-8, Oct 11 2013, 09:37 PM.
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Mario World, Zelda:ALttP, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid, Doom, HeXen, Quake, II,III,IV, Mario Kart 64, Elder Scrolls III, IV, Halo Custom Edition, Halo Reach, Halo 4, Planetside 2 http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/WAYRAM Forget about good, evil, heaven, hell, God, Jesus and salvation, forget about truth, derived authority, rule of law, and moral law; forget about dignity, productivity, family, and economy. Liberalism/ progressivism, secularism/ humanism, materialism, narcissistic consumerism, socialism, communism, atheism, self worship, universalism, Darwinian marco-evolution/ racism/ animism, pantheism, sexuality as religion, abortion, murder, authoritarianism, cultism, nihilism, and culture: they are your God now. | |
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| HPT-548 | Oct 11 2013, 10:05 PM Post #1690 |
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sam i h8 u |
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| Deleted User | Oct 11 2013, 10:40 PM Post #1691 |
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going to see Captain Philips tomorrow :) |
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| Deleted User | Oct 11 2013, 11:10 PM Post #1692 |
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if you guys liked rush, checkout senna |
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| Psycho | Oct 12 2013, 04:50 AM Post #1693 |
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If its laughably overdone then it fails at being a drama. simples bom. |
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[ss]qmp [V]`: dat bitch crazy i bet she advertises giving niggers head on craigslist or some shit [ss]qmp [V]`: fat crazy white bitches suck dick for money idk-cho : bom | |
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| Opeth | Oct 12 2013, 05:59 AM Post #1694 |
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We already covered that it is choice, but choice that is influenced. It isn't fair to use other cultures in such comparisons because there is a huge variety of other elements. Also, it sounds like you're implying that I've correlated poverty to drug use. That is not what I've implied. And I think regardless, you might be pulling that out of thin air. If you can provide some statistics in lots of varying 3rd world countries and their drug uses (if even accurately measured in those places), feel free. I'm not really preaching and I don't really know how you're able to make the claim that ignorance isn't the case in most cases. |
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| HPT-8 | Oct 12 2013, 10:46 AM Post #1695 |
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report. supposed to be tom hanks, ACTING. re: movies. I love my "Flixter" phone app. (idk what the numbers actually mean) capt. phillips 95% 91% gravity 97% 90% machete 30% 63% runner 9% 38% rush 88% 93% |
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Mario World, Zelda:ALttP, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid, Doom, HeXen, Quake, II,III,IV, Mario Kart 64, Elder Scrolls III, IV, Halo Custom Edition, Halo Reach, Halo 4, Planetside 2 http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/WAYRAM Forget about good, evil, heaven, hell, God, Jesus and salvation, forget about truth, derived authority, rule of law, and moral law; forget about dignity, productivity, family, and economy. Liberalism/ progressivism, secularism/ humanism, materialism, narcissistic consumerism, socialism, communism, atheism, self worship, universalism, Darwinian marco-evolution/ racism/ animism, pantheism, sexuality as religion, abortion, murder, authoritarianism, cultism, nihilism, and culture: they are your God now. | |
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| truth | Oct 12 2013, 12:15 PM Post #1696 |
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from what i've read and heard about captain phillips is that barkhad abdi steals the show from tom hanks. barkhad also has had no acting experience prior to captain phillips, he was a cab driver. |
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| Repulse | Oct 12 2013, 12:19 PM Post #1697 |
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Gravity - 9.5/10 |
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| truth | Oct 12 2013, 07:25 PM Post #1698 |
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a tale of two sisters - i loved this movie, the use of sound in this movie was absolutely amazing, some extremely creepy scenes but its a more psychological movie than a straight out horror flick. this movie deserves multiple viewing for suuuure 9/10 it might be on netflix but find a way to watch it!! some people found it more saddening then scary but i loved it and had some chilling scenes. the last stand - fun and ridiculous movie and arnold doing what he does best. good movie to turn your brain off to. 6/10 i do have to compliment kim jee/ji woon for adding a flair to this movie though :) maybe 7/10 Edited by truth, Oct 12 2013, 10:43 PM.
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| Psycho | Oct 13 2013, 01:00 PM Post #1699 |
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i liked the chaser even more the second time i watched it. The main villain in it is such a creep i wanted to kick his face in. |
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| truth | Oct 13 2013, 01:24 PM Post #1700 |
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psycho you should watch hausu(1977) if you have not already |
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