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Osama is dead
Topic Started: May 1 2011, 09:49 PM (6,634 Views)
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Wait hold up, did they just say they're burying Osama's body in the sea? lal.

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May 2 2011, 09:25 AM
I'm not taking a shot at you, i began this thread by saying "i personally find it disgusting". It's how i see it, doesn't mean it's correct. As my post explains, obviously under different circumstances my views would change.

I am interested in this notion of "my people" though. What are the requirements for "my people"?
Residence to my country?
My color skin?
My views on politics?
The way i see it, my people are simply the human race. This separation simply sounds like discrimination to me.
I know your arguing just for arguments sake so I'll take your challenge. (I'm pretty stoned which is the only reason I'm doing this)

Understandable, you growing up in the environment you did, having the experiences you did, resulted in why you found it 'personally disgusting'.

but must we really go that in depth with the analysis? Can't I assume you can be unbiased without asking me to be unbiased? That's stupid. I guess your background though leads you to believe that finding that behavior to be 'personally disgusting' is as correct as it can get without it being absolutely correct. You admit it might not be correct but at the same time don't deny that it could be correct. You're baiting me. You clearly think in your personal opinion that it is the correct train of thought, which again is only based on your experiences.

If you comprehend all that than surely you would be able to see why on the other hand of the spectrum people would rejoice over his death.

I'm not taking a shot at you either but it seems your bending the rules to your own logic.

Requirements for 'my people' are defined based on the subject and individual. In my case I was talking about a country/nation. In a sports related context I would say it's my team which I favor. I wouldn't doubt if the people in New York were rejoicing the hardest. Would make sense right?

The definition isn't absolute (as you suggest with 'simply human race') but adapts to the situation and circumstances.


Edit: Basically I'm saying this event triggered an "emotion" in you which wasn't really grounded. On any other occasion you would be the one sitting here berating someone else for "not understanding" and being 'narrow minded'. You know it's true lol.
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May 2 2011, 08:49 AM
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May 2 2011, 03:41 AM
^True but we aren't talking about the death of any one person, but a mass murderer. I have little sympathy for such a person.


Now I haven't actaully watched the news yet to see what type of celebrations you are talking about (at work), but even at its most extreme I don't think it would be unwarranted.

Osama basically represented Al Qaeda(regardless of whether he still ran it), he was their figure head. Some celebration is justified.



Let's go USA

The only think which separates you from Osama is your genetics and your environmental experiences. Both of these factors are out of your control. Osama, his ideas and his actions are logically determined by these factors.

So logically, the conditions which produced such ideas should be the target not the person. Although a person with such violent/dangerous ideas should be rehabilitated (does not necessary mean prison).

Why would i cheer for the death of a person who must have experienced some messed up shit to become like that (if he indeed did the crimes he is accused of). I can understand people feeling relieved and safer with him gone, but the celebrations and patriotism i saw were vulgar.


Secondly, has anyone actually got any evidence that Osama is gone? Because the way this story is being sucked up with such little evidence has me rather suspicious.
not everyone who was a product of the same environment bin laden was organized an attack that killed 3000 people. environment isn't responsible for everything.

and assassin i actually thought that might be a possibilty but then the rational side of my brain took over. i wonder how this will affect obama's popularity, i'm guessing a jump into the 60s
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@gatman i did feel the same way about celebrating a death of a person this much at first, but if all the 911 shit is true and xit's dreams never come true then i think that we should simply say fuck if its death of a person fuck osama because hes a fucker

i also agree that the killing was mostly useless, other than a political move and a symbol

one thing i definitely believe in regards to this that we shouldn't shut down every opportunity to celebrate and boost patriotism
theres enough people who hate our goverment in this world, including our own citizens... if we want to party stay the fuck away from us you party poopers

I'd rather just believe what my country tells me than to spend a shitload of time trying to pick out mistakes and put them together into something else anyway

the government is powerful enough to force us to believe what they want us to, and even if we gather enough evidence and have a logical opinion it will never be widely accepted as truth because the government doesnt want it to, aka it wont change history

its less stressful to go along with this and form opinions based off of the information that they want us to have

idc if you're going to say im weak or stupid or ignorant or any of that, because 40 years from now i'll believe what most people believe and i'll believe what history says
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May 2 2011, 11:23 AM
Wait hold up, did they just say they're burying Osama's body in the sea? lal.

yeah that nigga is swimin wit da sharks
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May 2 2011, 11:36 AM
@gatman i did feel the same way about celebrating a death of a person this much at first, but if all the 911 shit is true and xit's dreams never come true then i think that we should simply say fuck if its death of a person fuck osama because hes a fucker

i also agree that the killing was mostly useless, other than a political move and a symbol

one thing i definitely believe in regards to this that we shouldn't shut down every opportunity to celebrate and boost patriotism
theres enough people who hate our goverment in this world, including our own citizens... if we want to party stay the fuck away from us you party poopers

I'd rather just believe what my country tells me than to spend a shitload of time trying to pick out mistakes and put them together into something else anyway

the government is powerful enough to force us to believe what they want us to, and even if we gather enough evidence and have a logical opinion it will never be widely accepted as truth because the government doesnt want it to, aka it wont change history

its less stressful to go along with this and form opinions based off of the information that they want us to have

idc if you're going to say im weak or stupid or ignorant or any of that, because 40 years from now i'll believe what most people believe and i'll believe what history says
yeah??


bitch to the govt.
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May 2 2011, 05:59 AM
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May 2 2011, 05:30 AM
May 1st 5/1 - Hitler died which is 66 years of this incident
not sure if you're trolling but hitler died 30 april 1945

sry
http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=236175

He might have died then but it was nationally reported on May 1st.
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May 2 2011, 12:17 PM
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May 2 2011, 05:59 AM
ctupro2
May 2 2011, 05:30 AM
May 1st 5/1 - Hitler died which is 66 years of this incident
not sure if you're trolling but hitler died 30 april 1945

sry
http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=236175

He might have died then but it was nationally reported on May 1st.
hitler died may 1
osama died may 1
bamboo's grandma died may 1

you can't explain that
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May 2 2011, 12:14 PM
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May 2 2011, 11:36 AM
@gatman i did feel the same way about celebrating a death of a person this much at first, but if all the 911 shit is true and xit's dreams never come true then i think that we should simply say fuck if its death of a person fuck osama because hes a fucker

i also agree that the killing was mostly useless, other than a political move and a symbol

one thing i definitely believe in regards to this that we shouldn't shut down every opportunity to celebrate and boost patriotism
theres enough people who hate our goverment in this world, including our own citizens... if we want to party stay the fuck away from us you party poopers

I'd rather just believe what my country tells me than to spend a shitload of time trying to pick out mistakes and put them together into something else anyway

the government is powerful enough to force us to believe what they want us to, and even if we gather enough evidence and have a logical opinion it will never be widely accepted as truth because the government doesnt want it to, aka it wont change history

its less stressful to go along with this and form opinions based off of the information that they want us to have

idc if you're going to say im weak or stupid or ignorant or any of that, because 40 years from now i'll believe what most people believe and i'll believe what history says
yeah??


bitch to the govt.
you're just as much the goverment's bitch as i am, maybe you just dislike it more

difference between sex and rape

im just getting fucked while you're getting raped brah
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May 2 2011, 05:17 AM
There have always been two likely possibilities.

1. OBL was/is dead and has been for a long time.
2. OBL was/is still working with the CIA and was/is being kept safe by them.

Pakistani Secret Service, CIA and OBL worked together in the early 80s via Operation Cyclone. It was and still is unclear when their cooperation ended. (If it ever did)

If true, it’s no surprise he was being kept safe in Pakistan all this time.

My educated guess is OBL had never stopped working with the CIA and may have just died of old age recently.

Giving credit of his death to Obama is their way of ensuring he will be able to control and manipulate the people of the united states more effectively for his next presidential term.

Don’t get the wrong idea either, presidential elections are indeed fixed.

Obama has already been chosen to win the next election but they want to make sure he is able to influence as many minds as possible by bolstering his image as “the savior” who killed OBL.

No coincidence announcing this on “may day” either.

Hitlers death was also announced on May 1st 66 years ago.

5/1

Do you know who the 51st president of the united states is?


CIA is really good at getting rid of evidence as usual though.

They sent all the WTC scraps over seas as soon as humanly possible.
Now they send OBL’s body into the sea the same day they supposedly killed him.
At least they are somewhat consistent.

*scratch that, they're ridiculously consistent.
this nigga is right, even though your pussy ass thought I cheated


He's either been dead

or

Been riding as Tim Osman


I'm waiting for LOLOLOO BRO YUR SO STEWPID 2 HEV UR OWN CONSPWEEASEE TEEWEEE

shut the fuck up, frail nerd jail birds


You niggas are seriously happy that a SCAPEGOAT is dead?

that nigga didn't attack shit...


matter of fact he's probably still alive chillin in the basement of the white house sippin patron with obama

.....seriously "body buried at sea" LMFAO

OH MAI GAWD, dumb niggehs
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May 2 2011, 12:19 PM
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May 2 2011, 12:17 PM
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May 2 2011, 05:59 AM
ctupro2
May 2 2011, 05:30 AM
May 1st 5/1 - Hitler died which is 66 years of this incident
not sure if you're trolling but hitler died 30 april 1945

sry
http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=236175

He might have died then but it was nationally reported on May 1st.
hitler died may 1
osama died may 1

you can't explain that


my grandma died may 1


coincidence
Edited by BaMbOo, May 2 2011, 12:35 PM.
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May 1 2011, 10:24 PM
obama/biden

osama bin laden

dun dun

its a conspiracy.. where is xit?
barack hussein obama

saddam hussein

conspiracy indeed.
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all this is just another chunk of the awesome story i will tell my kiddies
(i will include the hpt forums too lawl)

I dont really have any opinions on any of this.. its just a movie to me. a good story.

im anxious to hear more and see how things change... the next attack.. the next war.. etc.. but thats about it


*i was talking to this marine when i was drinking a few weeks back and he was the first person to ever make sense to me in my whole life..
he literally spoke words from my head.. i never really had faith in our country until then.. and i realized that there are people fighting in this that have really good ideas and standpoints and ethics.
have some faith you pussy fucks.. because if its lies its lies and theres nothing youre going to do about it.
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May 2 2011, 07:29 AM
So let me see if I got this right, the man accused of orchestrating a major attack on US soil, wasn't on the FBI's most wanted list, was supposedly in a cave for 10 years, who the rest of the world has reported dead for years, was finally caught, shot, and killed...no trial, no evidence, no proof, and his body was dumped into the ocean within 24 hours. Makes total sense.
..I'll say this probably only once in my life but ^^^^

minus the wasn't on the most wanted list, I'm pretty sure there was some kind of 50 million dollar bounty on dat head
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May 1 2011, 10:24 PM
obama/biden

osama bin laden

dun dun

its a conspiracy.. where is xit?
lol, that made me chuckle.
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WAKE THE FUCK UP.

THEY ARE BLATANTLY DOING THIS SHIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
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May 2 2011, 09:25 AM
I am interested in this notion of "my people" though. What are the requirements for "my people"?
Residence to my country?
My color skin?
My views on politics?
The way i see it, my people are simply the human race. This separation simply sounds like discrimination to me.
I don't see how you can celebrate new zealands success, and show obvious patriotism (from your posts during both the soccer and rugby world cups and your obvious support of those teams, or your people) and at the same time pretend like youre not as guilty as anybody else at seperating groups of people, or showing support and consideration toward those who you (apparently sub- consciously) consider your people.

Don`t get me wrong I think it`s great that you allow yourself to think that youre as open-minded as you try to be; I just would love to see you display it in a convincing way once in a while.
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May 2 2011, 03:30 PM
WAKE THE FUCK UP.

THEY ARE BLATANTLY DOING THIS SHIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
LOL this guy
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May 2 2011, 03:36 PM
gatman
May 2 2011, 09:25 AM
I am interested in this notion of "my people" though. What are the requirements for "my people"?
Residence to my country?
My color skin?
My views on politics?
The way i see it, my people are simply the human race. This separation simply sounds like discrimination to me.
I don't see how you can celebrate new zealands success, and show obvious patriotism (from your posts during both the soccer and rugby world cups and your obvious support of those teams, or your people) and at the same time pretend like youre not as guilty as anybody else at seperating groups of people, or showing support and consideration toward those who you (apparently sub- consciously) consider your people.

Don`t get me wrong I think it`s great that you allow yourself to think that youre as open-minded as you try to be; I just would love to see you display it in a convincing way once in a while.
did you buy your tickets yet
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May 2 2011, 07:29 AM
So let me see if I got this right, the man accused of orchestrating a major attack on US soil, wasn't on the FBI's most wanted list, was supposedly in a cave for 10 years, who the rest of the world has reported dead for years, was finally caught, shot, and killed...no trial, no evidence, no proof, and his body was dumped into the ocean within 24 hours. Makes total sense.
I don't find any sense in you saying that. If Osama was captured alive, what good would he have been to us? He would have been put in the same position he is now, dead. If Osama's body was brought back to the U.S., what good would his body have been to us? The job was done and I believe that it was reasonable that they followed Islamic law and buried him within 24 hours. You could say that you would want to see him in the hands of the authorities, but I think I speak for most Americans when I say I really wished to never see him breathing on our soil. The government knows about all the conspiracies popping up now. John Brennan, the W.H. Press Secretary, clearly addressed to the media that with in time they plan on releasing some sort of evidence.

Symbolically and morally, this is a huge boost for America and its troops. The primary rationale for the war in Afghanistan is finally gone. But the challenges are still there. The downside of killing bin Laden is that it will have all parties ask very difficult questions of who knew what, when, where and then deal with what are likely extreme uncomfortable realities. Did Pakistan really not know that Osama bin Laden was residing 35 miles north of its capital?

I have to agree with what Flimzy said. We can spend countless days of our lives questioning our government's actions, but in the end, nothing will ever change. If you can't trust your own government, who are you gonna go to next? Be thankful that you atleast have leaders willing to put out lives and trillions of dollars for your sake.

Gatman, fuck off and let us do our own thang.

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May 2 2011, 03:36 PM
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May 2 2011, 03:30 PM
WAKE THE FUCK UP.

THEY ARE BLATANTLY DOING THIS SHIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
LOL this guy
jphish lurks the hptforums for 3 and a half years and doesnt bother posting until the ultimate conspiracy thread surfaced
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May 2 2011, 03:30 PM
WAKE THE FUCK UP.

THEY ARE BLATANTLY DOING THIS SHIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
Are you going to do something or just post about it? You and Xit are of the same bloodline.

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