lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
i agree with this to an extent
i dont agree with random people(meaning not having any relation to someone who died, or knowing anyone who had someone die), or really people who just knew someone who had someone die rejoicing for this death. i can completely understand if a family who lost a loved one in the 9/11 attacks showed some sort of praise for this feat, but i would think that doing something more like when we all put candles outside our house in memory of the ones lost would be more effective/meaningful/giving a better rep to the united states as opposed to rioting and going nuts over this.
i dont even see the death itself being a very large victory for the united states, besides a moral one. obviously if osama planned the 9/11 attacks, al-qaeda wouldve known that the united states would be after him and probably picked a new leader for osama shortly after the attacks (obviously im guessing, NOT AN AL-QAEDA EXPERT)
i know most of these points have been stated already, but my 2 cents, NOT THAT ANYONE CARES
tequila: I went upstairs and then I continued to pull the ladder and gave backtap and went above tequila: google translator
xer0xxx: i have a uncle that lives in atlanta georgia xer0xxx: u know? superman bitch: yes superman bitch: atlanta is far xer0xxx: my uncle say "much niggers" xer0xxx: idk y
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
lol balla i was just gonna post the EXACT same thing
this kid is so clueless
I live like 15 minutes away from NYC. I saw the towers burn from across the Hudson. I know atleast 2-3 families personally who lost people. I am good friends with one girl whose dad died in tower 1. I am the one who has to take my shoes off when traveling. I am the one who probably gets labeled a shitload because of 9/11. I hate how Osama gave muslims a terrible rep. I hate how my original country has gone to shit because of these extremists and has gotten a bad rep in the international community. I love America, I think it's the best country in the world.
and yet, you don't see me out in the street celebrating.
ur the white 17 year old kid with mayflower parents who doesn't deal with the same problems most people have to deal with
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
I am OK with people being happy that he is dead, etc
I am just not ok with the pep rally type of celebrating going on. It is just classless imo.
Around is right... the Arabs and Palestinians do that shit when the jews get killed. The Pakis/Hindus do it when each other die. Do we really want to do the same thing?
I am OK with people being happy that he is dead, etc
I am just not ok with the pep rally type of celebrating going on.
this.
tequila: I went upstairs and then I continued to pull the ladder and gave backtap and went above tequila: google translator
xer0xxx: i have a uncle that lives in atlanta georgia xer0xxx: u know? superman bitch: yes superman bitch: atlanta is far xer0xxx: my uncle say "much niggers" xer0xxx: idk y
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
that is about 100% irrelevant to your original post.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
that is about 100% irrelevant to your original post.
my original post was directed to invert, this one was in response to erosion. logic dictates that they would most likely not be relevant.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
there is a big difference - I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. You can still empathize with them, however.
Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient being
there u go ^^. Everyone is different. I can empathize with others very easily and feel their pain (although it's def. less than the actual pain they are feeling). Maybe u have a harder time
relax buddy
How do I have a harder time? I am arguing on the side of those that celebrated (even though I did not).
I'm just saying it's extremely pretentious of those posting to condemn those who are celebrating. I know you have your reasons, but it really isn't your place to judge.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
that is about 100% irrelevant to your original post.
my original post was directed to invert, this one was in response to erosion. logic dictates that they would most likely not be relevant.
original post meaning the one that was quoted. and with the sentence you quoted from erosion, and how you put hypocrisy there, and the definition of hyprocrisy is to say one thing and do another, then i rest my case on my first post towards you.
that is about 100% irrelevant to your original post.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
there is a big difference - I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. You can still empathize with them, however.
Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient being
there u go ^^. Everyone is different. I can empathize with others very easily and feel their pain (although it's def. less than the actual pain they are feeling). Maybe u have a harder time
relax buddy
How do I have a harder time? I am arguing on the side of those that celebrated (even though I did not).
I'm just saying it's extremely pretentious of those posting to condemn those who are celebrating. I know you have your reasons, but it really isn't your place to judge.
I don't think anyone was actually judging them for celebrating... it was just the way they choose to do it.
and i only brought up empathy cause I thought you felt that I didn't feel bad for my friends who were directly affected
1. OBL was/is dead and has been for a long time. 2. OBL was/is still working with the CIA and was/is being kept safe by them.
Pakistani Secret Service, CIA and OBL worked together in the early 80s via Operation Cyclone. It was and still is unclear when their cooperation ended. (If it ever did)
If true, it’s no surprise he was being kept safe in Pakistan all this time.
My educated guess is OBL had never stopped working with the CIA and may have just died of old age recently.
Giving credit of his death to Obama is their way of ensuring he will be able to control and manipulate the people of the united states more effectively for his next presidential term.
Don’t get the wrong idea either, presidential elections are indeed fixed.
Obama has already been chosen to win the next election but they want to make sure he is able to influence as many minds as possible by bolstering his image as “the savior” who killed OBL.
No coincidence announcing this on “may day” either.
Hitlers death was also announced on May 1st 66 years ago.
5/1
Do you know who the 51st president of the united states is?
CIA is really good at getting rid of evidence as usual though.
They sent all the WTC scraps over seas as soon as humanly possible. Now they send OBL’s body into the sea the same day they supposedly killed him. At least they are somewhat consistent.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
that is about 100% irrelevant to your original post.
my original post was directed to invert, this one was in response to erosion. logic dictates that they would most likely not be relevant.
original post meaning the one that was quoted. and with the sentence you quoted from erosion, and how you put hypocrisy there, and the definition of hyprocrisy is to say one thing and do another, then i rest my case on my first post towards you.
that is about 100% irrelevant to your original post.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
Again you really don't have the right to say that regardless of whether they lost a loved one.
9/11 was an extremely tramuatic event for America. I bet every one of you here (besides Pimp since he was still in diapers) know exactly where you were and what you were doing when you heard the news on that day. Though irrelevant to the original argument, it does show the emotion involved with that day that has spanned a decade.
Killing Osama in the grand scheme of things wasn't that big of a victory against Al Qaeda, but it was a huge moral victory for everyone that felt the effects of his terrorism around the world and especially in the United States. I'm sure that's something a lot of you could agree on.
Did people not rejoice when Suddam Hussein was captured?
So don't tell me we don't have the right to celebrate (or at least be thankful) when a mass murderer on the run for 10-20 years is finally caught and killed. The man deserves no pity.
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
99% of the people celebrating didn't lose a loved one in 9/11. Talk about hypocrisy.
do you even know what hypocrisy means?
criticizing people who are disgusted by celebrations because they didn't lose someone dear during 9/11 while defending the celebrators who themselves had lost nothing in the attacks. was that so hard?
lol Why do you guys care whether people rejoice his death or not? Does it really affect you that much? Let them have their celebrations for fuck sakes.
Also big difference between knowing someone who lost someone in 9/11 and actually being someone that lost a loved one. You fuckers go around talking about being unbiased and understanding others yet you sit here and judge others for their actions which you don't understand and find disgusting.
Bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
there is a big difference - I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. You can still empathize with them, however.
Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient being
there u go ^^. Everyone is different. I can empathize with others very easily and feel their pain (although it's def. less than the actual pain they are feeling). Maybe u have a harder time
relax buddy
How do I have a harder time? I am arguing on the side of those that celebrated (even though I did not).
I'm just saying it's extremely pretentious of those posting to condemn those who are celebrating. I know you have your reasons, but it really isn't your place to judge.
I don't think anyone was actually judging them for celebrating... it was just the way they choose to do it.
and i only brought up empathy cause I thought you felt that I didn't feel bad for my friends who were directly affected
Ok maybe you weren't judging but there are at least two (gat and around who used the terms 'personally disgusting') who were. Possibly balla as well.
I haven't watched the news or cared enough about the subject to see how people are celebrating....but I imagine they are celebrating like they would any other occasion. Going to the streets, drinking lots of alcohol, and having lots of sex.
What's wrong with that? Let them have their fun. Not a whole lot to celebrate about these days. Not every day we manage to nab a mass murderer.
rejoice, v. 1. (intransitive) To be very happy, be delighted, exult; to feel joy. [from 14th c.] 2. (obsolete, transitive) To have (someone) as a lover or spouse; to enjoy sexually. [15th-16th c.] 3. (transitive) To make happy, exhilarate. [from 15th c.]
Don't belittle us with definitions.
"thorn"
if an insane person were to come into my home and murder my family i don't think i'd have any reason to rejoice about anything anymore. one child is even 'scarred for life' and the death of the murderer will mean nothing to that child and very little to me. i'm certainly not going to head down the street with an american flag and some friends and a beach ball so i can fuck around thoughtlessly and climb trees or telephone poles. i'm certainly not going to rejoice that a murderer is off the streets. it's a good thing, but the murderer has already murdered my family. i doubt i'd even feel relief, let alone joy.
Why are you operating under hypothetical scenerios? I understand what you are trying to say, but it seems to me like you wouldn't really know how you would act until you are put into that situation. Trying to perceive how you would act in that situation without actually experiencing what it feels like...idk I feel like you give yourself too much credit.
"thorn"
at first i thought your analogy was silly, but it's not so bad. the surviving child that is changed by the murders is america, yes, but that's why riotous happiness is an odd response. the change ('scar') is permanent. the pre-9/11 u.s. is now gone b/c of bin laden, so the celebration of his death seems like desperation to me. it's a useless conclusiveness we forgot we even wanted because it came almost ten years too late.
Why does the celebration have to have a bad connatation? Osama was symbolic of the oppressors of our nation and the world via terrorism (Yes gatman I realize there are people out there that view us as oppressors too stop digressing the point xd) much in the same way royalty in the UK is simply a figurehead (I'm assuming Osama did very little leading these last few years).
To me the celebration seems like relief, not desperation. Sure Osama may not have been on our minds constantly as of late, but everytime I watched the news he was in the back of my mind and I assume the same for other Americans. I mean how can you not watch the news about the war in the middle East, gas prices, political battles, and not think 'where the fuck is this Osama guy'?
Now that he is actually dead I think he'll slip from our minds more permanently than before, but if he had never been caught? People would have still been talking about capturing him 20 years down the road.
"thorn"
two days ago bin laden was irrelevant to the american public. now people are only interested in him again because he's dead. and although i want to participate in it, this sudden phony interest in the man is why celebrating seems disingenuous to me, more a performance than anything else. and anyway most of the celebrants on tv have been young people, people too young to have any substantial understanding of what pre-9/11 america was like politically and culturally (and i am such a person). but what exactly are they celebrating? just the death of a person, which in the end is really the resurrection of a name most people had stopped thinking about. the celebrations seem like automatic responses mislearned. it was similar with the giffords shooting and obama's speech in arizona, i.e. celebration not congruous with the circumstances. the giffords case is a bit different, of course, because everyone was experiencing the tragedy and its resolution (gunman's death) coterminally, and it meant more to arizona students in ways i probably won't understand, but you get the idea.
I guess I sorta answered this above. Also it's silly to think that the American interest in Osama is phony. The majority is always going to be interested in what is happening now (look at that stupid wedding for an example) not to mention the guy did directly attack us on our soil. Just because we weren't constantly talking about him, doesn't mean we didn't have him in the backs of our minds. Saying he was "irrelevant" I feel is a pretty big overstatement.
"thorn"
within a day there were bin laden retrospectives and write-ups everywhere, mostly presenting him historically, because people need to understand and cope with things through narrative, viz. they want the end of the bin laden narrative (death) to indicate the end of the narrative of the threat of terrorism in the united states. but of course it doesn't. i'm personally not disgusted so much as i am confused and a little embarrassed. e.g. a bunch of my friends liked the 'And That's how the USA outdoes a Royal Wedding' facebook page. really? i know it's supposed to be funny not serious, but i think the unwitting victims of the joke are the americans who 'liked' it (sry tyler xd).
Yeah obviously terrorism isn't going to stop with his death. Obama said that in his speech even. As far as the facebook joke...it's a joke lol. Lighten up dawg.
"thorn"
i won't presume to instruct people in mourning or in celebration (not very good at either tbh) and yes, erosion, people can respond however they want. i still wish i'd been in d.c., and if i had been i'd've gone to penn ave with everyone else. but that is what confuses me. i desperately want to celebrate and indulge and be proud (but of what?) but at the same time i know there is no reason to--not on the level others have been. maybe senseless violence makes senseless people idK.
You want to be proud you are an American. You live in a land where you can pretty much be whatever you want to be (provided you aren't lazy and stupid) and you live in a land where freedoms are generally taken for granted.
Osama to the American public (really because of the media) represented all that is anti-american. There isn't any reason why you shouldn't feel patriotic.
"thorn"
comparing this to hitler is a mistake, i think, or maybe intellectually dishonest. not because the numbers or victims differ but because hitler's death at least signaled the end of a terrible war. bin laden's death signals...what? obama's reelection? maybe it is a symbolic triumph (people say that a lot) but i'm not even sure how symbolic it is, really, because the government milked all the hate it could from the bin laden simulacrum years ago. that tit has been dry/bin laden hasn't been much of a symbol for years.
Hitler's death didn't end the war though. We still had to contend with Japan at the time lol.
Regardless of whether you think it's a symbolic triumph or not, the man was still responsible for 9/11 and the attacks on the trade center in the 90s. Both are unexcusable.
I will agree though the comparision could be slightly dishonest (but only because of the drastic differences in what Hitler did compared with Osama). Then again Hitler had a whole country and army behind him. I shudder to think what Osama would have done if he had had the same opportunities.
"thorn"
comparing this to saddam is also a mistake for the same reasons, i.e. the capture and execution were supposed to indicate an end to something--hopefully the war, although we know now how that would turn out. eschatological fetishism.
I certainly didn't think Suddam's capture meant the end of the war especially with Osama still on the run at the time. You really don't have much else to compare it to either. I think it works well enough. Both were murderers that oppressed certain groups of people. Both deserved to die and both did. Both deaths were rejoiced.
"thorn"
bin laden's death, bringing an end to technically nothing, should be cause for relief, sure, but not an elated frenzy of patriotism which meaninglessly seeks opponents (royal wedding LoL?) and accidentally mocks its own failures (bin laden hide n seek champ '01-'11 heheheheheehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehee).
imo
sorry if you read all that bs i am just procrastinating hehe gotta study japanese +}
Agreed with the first sentence though I'm not sure if that's what we are doing.
Everyone knows Tupac is the real hide and seek champ.
yeah its as someone said before.. its that ironic intelligent persons complex that leaves a person looking stupid and unintelligent that is getting the better of the youth in our country.
WWDD what would dad do.( what i always ask myself )
i dont see my dad celebrating soooooo (for baddy and erosion, im just going to clarify that thats supposed to be funny, although true. i am mocking myself, i am not bragging)