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Topic Started: May 1 2011, 09:49 PM (6,630 Views)
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i agree with a lot of the things thorn said in his post, though obviously a minor point that erosion made in response regarding the 20 years down the line... nigga woulda been dead 20 years down the line if he were to have hid for that long
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May 3 2011, 01:11 AM
from so far what i've read, vodka is making sense the most
of course you think he is.

i wonder why that is. hmmm
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May 2 2011, 11:44 PM
gatman and around trying to live in a fantasy world loll
I wouldn't say living in a fantasy world, more like trying to make the world a little less terrible. If you can't respect yourselves how are you ever going to start respecting others? lol

The problem here is you say Al-Qaeda celebrating when they kill U.S/NATO troops is wrong because they're rejoicing over innocent lives being taken, whereas here since Osama orchestrated 9/11 it's OK because he's guilty?
I mean, I'm no Al-Qaeda expert nor can I read minds but I'm gonna assume rather safely that when terrorists manage to kill some soldiers, they're not rejoicing over the fact that they killed Hank Tom and Billy but the fact that they just pulled off a "victory" over the U.S , in the same sense that killing Osama was a "victory".
By celebrating the way they did they simply put themselves at the same level as their enemy and I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing but with each step down that is taken you're running out of room to criticize the terrorists with and like around said the standard is lowering.

invert etc... you should probably wake up and realize the USA isn't the only country in the world and that although they never took out thousand of people in a single "unwarranted" (DEBATABLE) strike like 9/11 they've done just as much and more damage in the past. The terrorists now are taking their revenge in a fashion that is supposed to be "above us" but that we are unfortunately lowering ourselves to more and more.

That's why celebrating like that is, again, neither really good nor bad (just depends on how much you care about your country's image I guess) but it definitely doesn't make you look any better. 9/11 wasn't the only time people died you know, and if Osama "deserved" what he got because of it then do the presidents/leaders who have destroyed the middle east's reputation and laid waste to Iraq / Afghanistan "deserve" the same thing?

Also do you really think the victims of 9/11 would want that to have happened ? 10 years later, their killer is punished and in memory of them, people get drunk and jump and scream? Not only is that not very classy but it's downright disrespectful imo (refer to 1st sentence of post). And I don't know who said that it looked desperate but I'd have to agree, it's the death of one man and it most likely won't change very much in the grand scheme of things, your day-to-day life will be JUST as it was 3 days ago, unlike the end of WW2.


Inb4 "who cares how we look in front of the world , we r usa king of teh worldxdxd we can party n smash trees for n e reason"
Image DOES matter, it's very hard to realize it when you're staying at home but go pack your bags and live in New Zealand like Gatman does and ask around about America. Then you might say "well fuck that continent they've got absolutely nothing now that crocodile hunter's dead" but without them you never would have had crocodile hunter in the first place and it's that kind of mindset that would make the U.S lose global partners which, in a heavily international relations influenced world, is kind of a big deal.

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Bbe you whole response is void since I never said them celebrating our deaths is wrong.


Sorry.

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well I wasn't directing that at you, just the general consensus that celebrating troops dying is some devil rite

but that's an easy way to avoid any discussion on that too!

Not to mention I only talk about that for like 3 sentences but yea!!!

Nor did I ask any other questions later on right? yea!!

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Edited by HPT-22, May 3 2011, 09:46 AM.
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you know.. our country just loves to party and act rowdy.
you act like people dont do it for lesser events.

i would say i couldnt imagine myself partying for this purpose.. the thought of it just feels kind of disturbing. and i see it as a problem that a lot of young people cant foresee it being destructive(we dont have to hide our communication. we own the internet. things that were kept held down that only rebellious teenagers were supposed to be doing is easily spread and accepted). i dont really know how to describe it or what the figures are on it. but everything changes fast. and i dont think(or hope) im the only one realizing that the internet is a lot more fondly embraced by popular society now. Even the nerdy aspects like trolling and nerd terminology. the types of things i would expect the great people of halo pc, or 4chan, or any online community to say. or represent


i mean they arent kidding when they say we are the future.. well gj guys.. look what were doing to the future. were turning it into what our internet-based subculture is generalized as.. satiric/ironic, annoying, cynical, . but i guess when its out in the open its a little bit easier to analyze

im just surprised you guys are surprised that our smart/ yet disrespectful college students are acting disrespectful and classless..

its been going on for some time.. the teenagers that never stopped being teenagers.. the young society that dont give no more than 2 fucks

we are the fiwdil generation LoL
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Edited by HPT-15, May 3 2011, 10:49 AM.
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those lesser events we party for aren't on national & global television for the world to see, and they usually aren't done in memory of thousands of innocent victims and a bullet to a guy's brain.
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i know.. but its still something to be proud of as a country.
and its just not like our country to do it in a subtle way (people are publicly trolling)
or even in a justifiable way

ignorance is not only bliss.. but power


i guess i mean to say that we are old fashioned here on the hpt forums.
Edited by HPT-15, May 3 2011, 10:16 AM.
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that looks fake as fuck
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What is there left to be proud of?
It took 10 years, 2 ruined countries, thousands of troops lives, animosity for a whole religion and region, and a shitload of money to find a single person, a single person who most likely had very little left to do with the faction with which you are at war and the spokesman for that faction has already made counter threats which means that there's probably very little progress to be gained from it. I'd say you lost a lot more than you gained.

I'd label it a bigger failure than Vietnam if it wasn't for the lower death count, which I have to admit the U.S is very good at handling.

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i entirely agree with you. its not something to really be proud of.. lots of people, money, and time has been wasted. but they had to stick to it once they started.. and ultimately.. singularization of the world as one should be the ultimate goal anyways. we should stay in those countries re fucking gaurdless.. we need to help the world. the whole world.

why search beyond this world.. and why would anyone want to help us if were so ignorant towards our own race.. the human race.

i know thats a little left field at a glance.. but this very much has to do with the topic. at least to me

Edited by HPT-15, May 3 2011, 10:25 AM.
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i think we should have tried to kill osama after 9/11

but i don't think we should have fucked with Iraq

i don't think any type of war should have been waged at all, we have the technology to use drones and super high tech gadgets (lawl) along with a few special forces units to accomplish the killing of a few people

a lot of these posts were way TL so i DR, but when people are saying statistics of Iraq war and other middle eastern casualties I think that those should be considered the fault of our goverment at the time (not just bush but all those assholes) it was a war for oil and I believe was unrelated to Al queda altogether, but what do i know


if this whole thing was executed with the professionalism we as a country are capable of, along with next to 0 civilian casualties as well as american military deaths, and Osama was killed without the war starting, wouldn't you guys all have a different outlook on this?

since the old leaders who started the war are now out and Obama is in, I think it's fair to celebrate this victory because as far as i can see Obama is trying to fix the mess in Iraq along with finishing the fight that we originally intended to start

sure we as a country are still retarded for starting the war, but the past is the past, and instead of dwelling on it we should use it as fuel to never make the same mistakes again
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May 3 2011, 10:29 AM
if this whole thing was executed with the professionalism we as a country are capable of, along with next to 0 civilian casualties as well as american military deaths, and Osama was killed without the war starting, wouldn't you guys all have a different outlook on this?
well the outlook(reaction) wouldnt be huge because there would be no loss

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May 3 2011, 10:37 AM
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if this whole thing was executed with the professionalism we as a country are capable of, along with next to 0 civilian casualties as well as american military deaths, and Osama was killed without the war starting, wouldn't you guys all have a different outlook on this?
well the outlook wouldnt be huge because there would be no loss

its like losing 20 dollars then finding a 5 in your back pocket compared to
already having 20 dollars, and then stealing 5 dollars from the fat kid

i disagree

if we were to kill Osama after 9/11 without civilian casualties or too many military casualties then we just showed the terrorists that if they want to hit us hard we will fuck up their shit without losing our heads about it

too bad we lost our heads
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well your disagreeing with out disagreeing

because i totally agree it would be better for the situation..
but im talking about the people in our country..

they wouldnt be going nuts over it if there was no loss like in your situation.
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May 3 2011, 10:43 AM
well your disagreeing with out disagreeing

because i totally agree it would be better for the situation..
but im talking about the people in our country..

they wouldnt be going nuts over it if there was no loss like in your situation.

lose 20, sad, find 5, better, but still sucks.
have 20, yey, steal extra 5, but that extra .5

no im definitely disagreeing

i think we would be going nuts regardless of how many of our own soldiers died


osama = bad dude who killed thousands of americans
we kill him = happy day

i dont get what you dont get about that


also bbl heading out will continue this arguement latey
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May 3 2011, 10:29 AM
sure we as a country are still retarded for starting the war, but the past is the past, and instead of dwelling on it we should use it as fuel to never make the same mistakes again
doubt that will happen because if you were capable of that then Vietnam would have been that fuel.

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if this whole thing was executed with the professionalism we as a country are capable of, along with next to 0 civilian casualties as well as american military deaths, and Osama was killed without the war starting, wouldn't you guys all have a different outlook on this?


Well in that case it wouldn't have really been a war xd and yes, a high level of professionalism is possible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)) but, again much like Vietnam, they went into this war unprepared and uneducated. If anything, showing that the states ARE capable of said high level of professionalism and then looking at the current state of the matter might be more frustrating than anything.
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well your disagreeing with out disagreeing

because i totally agree it would be better for the situation..
but im talking about the people in our country..

they wouldnt be going nuts over it if there was no loss like in your situation.

lose 20, sad, find 5, better, but still sucks.
have 20, yey, steal extra 5, but that extra .5

no im definitely disagreeing

i think we would be going nuts regardless of how many of our own soldiers died


osama = bad dude who killed thousands of americans
we kill him = happy day

i dont get what you dont get about that


also bbl heading out will continue this arguement latey
well i guess i can see it if he were to get killed A LOT closer to 9/11 without many casualties.. then yeah people would be just as raving


i wasnt imagining the situation as you were.. since i assume you mean relatively soon after 9/11**
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May 3 2011, 10:44 AM
osama = bad dude who killed thousands of americans
we kill him = happy day

i dont get what you dont get about that
what the fuck. are you that ignorant?

ok, obviously osama killed thousands of americans, but after this event we killed more innocent arabs than americans killed in the twin towers. i mean really its like thinking should al qaeda come try to kill george bush even though hes not president anymore (OBVIOUSLY THIS IS QUITE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE IN COMPARISON TO OSAMAS DEATH)the united states is no less of a terrorist in the middle east than al qaeda is at this point. everyone needs to realize that when youre celebrating osamas death, youre also celebrating the 6,000 (YES THATS TWICE AS MANY AS THE 9/11 ATTACKS) innocent that were killed on the way to killing osama.

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