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| low | Oct 22 2014, 06:32 PM Post #1001 |
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i honestly hate ilyasova, im willing to trade that guy for a can of beans, i really dont care what the fuck i get for the guy, literally ANYTHING will do, and i agree they cant play D yet, but give em a little bit. knight is actually a pretty good defender with his length. its kind of hard to say when their projected lineup (off of guessing) will probably be at a minimum 6-3"-6'5" that they wont be good defensively though also 6'3" would be the shortest by like 5-6 inches lol Edited by low, Oct 22 2014, 06:33 PM.
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 06:34 PM Post #1002 |
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wait till you see smart play. dude is a hound on defense. him and bradley are like fucking mosquitos out there lol. |
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 06:37 PM Post #1003 |
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i like marcus smart, if he develops and keeps up an offensive game id honestly prefer him over rondo if i was you. i thought he was pretty fucking inconsistent with his offense at oklahoma state, but if he gets better on that end id take him everytime over rondo and try to trade that guy for a better scorer. im not sure if youd want a small forward or a 2 guard but you need a better long distance scoring option, i wouldnt want draft picks for the guy because the next couple drafts are gonna be kinda eh, maybe a good player + a draft pick |
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 06:39 PM Post #1004 |
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trust me we dont need more perimeter scorers. Especially when sullinger and olynyk are both shooting above 50 percent from three. We need a center! |
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 06:55 PM Post #1005 |
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i dont think both of them will be consistently putting up 50% from three point range lol, theyll probably be closer to 35-38%, and if your two big men are on the outside then youre pretty much fucked in the post and youll get raped every game down low in rebounding Edited by low, Oct 22 2014, 06:55 PM.
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 06:57 PM Post #1006 |
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thats what i was referring to earlier. sullinger and olynyk are both stretch 4s. we need a true center. Sullinger has been a hound on the boards though. He went like 23-20 vs brooklyn the other day. |
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 06:58 PM Post #1007 |
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well in that case who are you gonna start, or are each of them gonna get like 20 mins a game? if one emerges as a star youre probably gonna end up getting rid of one of them then, always considered olynyk a center who could shoot 3s
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 06:59 PM Post #1008 |
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ALSO FIRST TELEVISED BUCKS GAME FOR ME starting in a few mins, 2 excited lmao this bitch wiggins isnt playing because of a "bruised tailbone" what kind of pussy shit is that Edited by low, Oct 22 2014, 07:03 PM.
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 07:07 PM Post #1009 |
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curretly sullinger starts at 4 and olynyk at 5. Olynyk is a liability defensively though which is why he would be better suited as 4. If it becomes a problem I can see Olynyk going to the bench and having Zeller start at center. Sullinger is clearly the more skilled of the two. The good thing is that We have the ability to interchange between small and big lineups. all our players can play multiple positions. Turner will likely play all three perimter positions this season. Coach stevens likes him handling the ball like he did back at ohio st. Also green can interchange between the 3 and 4 and smart can play the 1 and 2. Its defintely a good problem to have our bench is much deeper this year as well..smart turner bass thorton wallace zeller young pressey Edited by Trapt, Oct 22 2014, 07:09 PM.
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 07:09 PM Post #1010 |
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eh i mean its not a bad problem to have if you have a good center, but those are FAR AND FEW to come by, having a lot of stretch 4s stretchING to the 5 isnt a good problem to have imo |
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 07:11 PM Post #1011 |
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how many times do i have to say we need a true center lol..ive pointed that out like 5 times already. we dont have a lot of 4s stretching to the 5. we have olynyk and zeller. we have players interchanging everywhere else
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 07:14 PM Post #1012 |
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yes but my point is its not easy to come by a true GOOD center, you can search by position (that one particularly through the draft since most teams kinda lock up their centers before entering free agency) but its not gonna be likely to come by, my guess is youll be stuck with what you got at the 5 for the next few years or youll sign someone whose an average center, most likely worse than olynyk and play him as a stretch 4 off the bench |
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 07:29 PM Post #1013 |
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well we could just do that now with zeller..we have enough assests (draft picks,expiring contracts, young players, and rondo) to trade for a center. Many trade rumors have come up for guys like Monroe, Sanders, Horford. All unlikely but I never say never. Next years free agency also has a lot of centers available. Ainge will make a strong push to fill that void. So expect us to have a center sooner rather than later
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 07:33 PM Post #1014 |
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dont have anything against the celtics so i hope the best for your team, but i think a lot of those center options will be locked up, sanders isnt going anywhere and monroe will probably end up resigning with the pistons because imo hell have a great year and they wont want to give him up. horford is loved by the hawks and hes essentially their best player other than teague whose a close 2nd so i doubt hes going anywhere either, just my opinion that for almost any team looking for a center, the best place is the draft. now if you were to try to trade for one thats a different story, but thats not a cheap price to pay for any center much less a good one i think a good center from any team is going to cost you a 1st rounder + possibly another 1st rounder and absolutely a good 2nd trade piece (that could involve a good player of your own or 2-3 2nd rounders ontop of that) now to the point that i think that its best to draft for a center --> if you give up 3-4 draft picks for a good center, im sure you could find a good center for a steal within one of those draft picks without a doubt, ontop of 2-3 other players youre going to miss out on that could turn into better players than you already have, avery bradley aint shit compared to what you could get through the draft if i was you id suffer through sucking dick for the next 1-2 years before you get a true playmaker (rondo is not a true playmaker regardless of what you say, i wouldnt consider him in my top 30 players in the NBA just because of the fact he cant shoot free throws and cant shoot worth a shit) also your 2 top 3 point shooters shouldnt be your 4 and 5 compared to your 1/2, something is wrong with that picture Edited by low, Oct 22 2014, 07:38 PM.
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 08:55 PM Post #1015 |
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" if you give up 3-4 draft picks for a good center, im sure you could find a good center for a steal within one of those draft picks without a doubt" Let's just take a yonder down memory lane. Here is a list of some of the leagues best centers: Howard (1st pick), Drummond (9th pick), Davis (1st pick), Valancunias (5th pick), Cousins (5th pick), Monroe (7th pick), Lopez (10th pick), Horford (3rd pick), Noah (9th pick), Chandler (2nd pick), Bosh (4th pick) My point is that if you want a good center via the draft your going to need a top ten pick. Like you said earlier true centers are hard to come by. Finding a "steal" at the center position through the draft is almost unheard of...Of course there are some exceptions (Gasol, Gortat, etc..) but everyone knows that to have a good shot at a center through the draft requires both a strong draft and a lottery pick. With that said Celtics are not going to tank another year for a chance at a lottery pick. This means that they would be much more likely to obtain a center via trading assets or free agency. There are a lot of valuable centers who are free agents next year. I expect the celtics to land one of them. "avery bradley aint shit compared to what you could get through the draft" I'm not sure why you would say this. Bradley is an elite on ball defender with some of the quickest lateral foot work in the league. He is an absolute pest on the floor and creates defensive nightmares for opponents. Every single season has a progressed his game to the point where he finished last season shooting 39.5% from beyond the arc. Compared to other shooting guards (Thompson 41%, Beal 40%, D. Green 40%) I'd say that's not to shabby. "rondo is not a true playmaker regardless of what you say, i wouldnt consider him in my top 30 players in the NBA just because of the fact he cant shoot free throws and cant shoot worth a shit" This is the most absurd statement that I have read in a long time. I don't even know how to reply to this. What do you even consider a true play maker? Rondo is probably the closest thing to a true play maker this league has outside of CP3. The dude has averaged double digit assists in just about every season he has played in. Not sure when free throw shooting started to account for how good a player is..I guess Dwight Howard is a not a top 30 player because he can't shoot either. How bout players like rose and westbrook who have also been criticized for inefficient shooting. Are they even top 50 players? "also your 2 top 3 point shooters shouldnt be your 4 and 5 compared to your 1/2, something is wrong with that picture" For the 10th time. No shit that's why the celtics need to obtain a TRUE CENTER!!! Also to be a forward in this league now you have to be able to make perimeter shots. It's kind of a necessity. I think your main problem is that you don't watch the rest of the nba. The bucks have brainwashed you into thinking what the nba is all about. xD Edited by Trapt, Oct 22 2014, 09:03 PM.
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| connybear | Oct 22 2014, 08:56 PM Post #1016 |
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sullinger's ceiling is higher but olynyk has a cleaner bill of health and is probably the better offensive player. keep sullinger, package olynyk for a legitimate shot blocking 5 or keep both of em in a 3 big rotation with a defensive 5 |
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 09:00 PM Post #1017 |
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This is what I have wanted for awhile. I think a player like Asik would be the perfect fit for this team. A big body who can defend the paint and also excel in a pick and roll offense with a PG like rondo. Stretch the floor out with Sullinger and Olynyk. Add in our athletic wing players. It's a recipe for lots of wins. Edited by Trapt, Oct 22 2014, 09:01 PM.
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 09:02 PM Post #1018 |
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so my question is, what are you gonna trade for a good center or a top 10 pick? if youre gonna give up rondo without marcus smart proving himself thats quite a big risk, also for a top 10 pick youll probably have to give up rondo + extra, they wont do it 1:1 i guarantee. also with the next draft or two theres not going to be an EXTREME center except for jahlil okafor from duke so, you could get a good one in the top 10 but other than that not sure, maybe rondo + your first rounder and a future 2nd, but are you willing to give that up? also espn ranked rondo outside their top 30 so its not that absurd of a comment to say that hes out of my top 30 as well, i checked that after you posted that, your point guard shouldnt be shooting a free throw percentage almost as low as dwight howard/blake griffin, sorry bro just means he has no jump shot, those are supposed to be your best shooting players i agree bradley is a good defender but theres much better scoring options, whether through the draft or free agency, you can even find a decently priced 2 guard who could probably play better than bradley on a smaller contract |
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 09:11 PM Post #1019 |
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 09:17 PM Post #1020 |
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There is a likely chance rondo leaves the celtics in free agency this season. It's no secret that he has not been happy with the way Ainge has treated him in the past. So why wouldn't you try and trade him instead of letting him walk and getting nothing in return. Since that has worked so well with other teams in the past...And the celtics have stockpiled draft picks for this very reason. We don't even have to give up our first rounders. We also have picks from Brooklyn and the Clippers. As for ESPN ranking. It's fucking ESPN. Do I really need to say more? They ranked Kobe like 40. I guarantee you if Rondo played all of last season he would had a much higher rank anyways. Your point on bradley is still invalid in my opinion. Finding an elite perimeter defender with his abilities is very rarely seen. His scoring is efficient enough where we don't need a shooting guard who scores 25+ ppg. We have plenty of other players who can make up for the absence. Defense wins championships. Why do you think the bucks lose every game? When the celtics won the championship back in 08' they had tony allen playing a very similar role to that of bradley. The difference being that bradley is a much better scorer than allen ever was. So, no I don't think the celtics can find another player for cheaper money who can provide the same qualities that bradley brings on a nightly basis. Also last time I checked Rondo was the starting PG for our championship team. So clearly your pg does not need to be your best shooting player to win. Have the bulls won it all with rose? No. How bout westbrook, wall, kyrie, curry etc...Don't see them with any rings. Tony parker is not a good perimeter shooter. How many rings does he have again? inb4 "the celtics only won because they had KG, Pierce, and Allen" Edited by Trapt, Oct 22 2014, 09:19 PM.
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 09:22 PM Post #1021 |
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a few counter points: wesley matthews (unrestricted FA next year) > avery bradley, argument over (probably cheaper than averys 4/$32 mil, just a guess though, could be wrong, or right around the same price for a better player imo) i also never said that your point guard should be your best shooter, but out of all of the PGs you mentioned, do any of them shoot below 80% from the FT line consistently, much less lower than 65% (rondo)? all of them have halfway decent jump shots, but defenders play rondo like they play big men on the perimeter, they literally stand almost at the free throw line and let him run at them because they know he cant shoot, if you have a westbrook type player they arent gonna play back like that because they respect his jump shot. i was just saying your 1 and 2 guards shouldnt be worse shooters than your 4 and 5 players i agree at the kobe point, but its not like their rankings are awful in general, i could name probably 7-10 point guards id personally prefer over rondo if i were starting a team to win a championship that current year, so if theres about 7-10 players at one position who are better than rondo, just imagine the other 4 positions Edited by low, Oct 22 2014, 09:23 PM.
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 09:36 PM Post #1022 |
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Except Matthews will likely demand close to the same market Bradley received this year. His shooting efficiency is about the same as bradley and his defensive ability is much less. Not to mention Matthews is almost 30 and will likely be signing his last major contract. Bradley on the other hand is 23 years old and is still maturing and progressing as a player. Matthews ceiling has already been met. The only direction he's going is down. Thanks but I'll take Bradley. case closed. On Rondo, look at the double double leaders among PGs for the past few seasons. Rondo is right near the top. Now look at the triple double leaders for the past two seasons. Rondo has the most. Go check his stats out from all his playoff games. They are off the charts. Say what you want about his inefficient jump shooting. When rondo wants to dominate a game he is more than capable. The thing with rondo is that he is a "TRUE FACILITATOR" who is always looking to get his teammates involved before him. He can score with the best of them when he chooses to. |
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 09:42 PM Post #1023 |
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so youre telling me, youd rather take rondo over the likes of ---> john wall, damian lillard, cp3, russell westbrook, derrick rose, kyrie irving, stephen curry, or tony parker? maybe even derron williams (not sure if id take him over rondo) all of those on that list except parker and cp3 are under 25-26 or so not thinking about the remainder of your team Edited by low, Oct 22 2014, 09:43 PM.
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| Trapt | Oct 22 2014, 09:50 PM Post #1024 |
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As a celtics fan, yes because Rondo has been here through all the highs and lows. He is probably my favorite player outside of Paul Pierce. However, if I was an nba executive owner and I had to choose between all of the leagues point guards to lead my team then no I wouldn't take Rondo. I would choose a much younger point guard such as Curry to build around. I never said rondo was the best point guard in the league. I was just arguing your point that he is not a true facilitator and that his shooting inefficiencies make him a liability. Rondo can be a point guard on a championship team. As he has proved in the past.
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| low | Oct 22 2014, 09:54 PM Post #1025 |
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yes but my point is hes probably not even a top 30 player in the league, youll end up giving up more than just him for a top 10 pick for a center, probably him and your 1st rounder, or maybe even a 2nd rounder ontop of that. im not talking about being him being a loyal celtics player at all, im just talking about his skill level. i understand that bias, but if theres about 7-10 players better than him at his own position (simple math would mean that 1/3 of the league has a better PG than him), just imagine how many players are better overall than him, probably putting him outside the top 30 range, which was my initial point. so if you were to try to get a top 10 pick, youd either need to lose a lot, which i could see happening with the celtics (not talking shit just a valid point imo), or youd need to let smart play a lot of minutes at the 1 spot to guarantee hes a good enough point guard as far as scoring/facilitating to be able to trade rondo away + some |
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