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Official NBA Thread; need one since playoffs r over
Topic Started: Jun 23 2011, 12:32 AM (23,215 Views)
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Oct 22 2014, 09:54 PM
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Oct 22 2014, 09:50 PM
As a celtics fan, yes because Rondo has been here through all the highs and lows. He is probably my favorite player outside of Paul Pierce. However, if I was an nba executive owner and I had to choose between all of the leagues point guards to lead my team then no I wouldn't take Rondo. I would choose a much younger point guard such as Curry to build around. I never said rondo was the best point guard in the league. I was just arguing your point that he is not a true facilitator. Rondo can be a point guard on a championship team. As he has proved in the past.


yes but my point is hes probably not even a top 30 player in the league, youll end up giving up more than just him for a top 10 pick for a center, probably him and your 1st rounder, or maybe even a 2nd rounder ontop of that. im not talking about being him being a loyal celtics player at all, im just talking about his skill level. i understand that bias, but if theres about 7-10 players better than him at his own position (simple math would mean that 1/3 of the league has a better PG than him), just imagine how many players are better overall than him, probably putting him outside the top 30 range, which was my initial point. so if you were to try to get a top 10 pick, youd either need to lose a lot, which i could see happening with the celtics (not talking shit just a valid point imo), or youd need to let smart play a lot of minutes at the 1 spot to guarantee hes a good enough point guard as far as scoring/facilitating to be able to trade rondo away + some
You know your not really good at explaining your points within your posts lol. If the celtics trade rondo I'm not expecting a top ten pick in return..I never said that. I just made the point that finding a center as a sleeper pick is unlikely and that you need a top ten 10 pick in order to obtain a decent one. Which is why I eluded to the fact that the celtics would be likely to obtain a center via trade or free agency. As for trading rondo..we would likely be getting younger assets in return for rondo and taking one of our unwanted salaries such as jeff green or wallace. That would allow us to free up cap space so we could further pursue signing a legit center in free agency. Will this happen? It may or it may not. For my sake I hope we resign rondo. I for one believe that he is a top 20 player in our league. He was ranked 12 in 2012 when he had a full healthy season. I probably wouldn't put him there now but somewhere between 12-20 seems right. ESPN rankings are skewed towards scorers. They don't take into account the players other attributes and how they effect the game.
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Oct 22 2014, 10:09 PM
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Oct 22 2014, 09:50 PM
As a celtics fan, yes because Rondo has been here through all the highs and lows. He is probably my favorite player outside of Paul Pierce. However, if I was an nba executive owner and I had to choose between all of the leagues point guards to lead my team then no I wouldn't take Rondo. I would choose a much younger point guard such as Curry to build around. I never said rondo was the best point guard in the league. I was just arguing your point that he is not a true facilitator. Rondo can be a point guard on a championship team. As he has proved in the past.


yes but my point is hes probably not even a top 30 player in the league, youll end up giving up more than just him for a top 10 pick for a center, probably him and your 1st rounder, or maybe even a 2nd rounder ontop of that. im not talking about being him being a loyal celtics player at all, im just talking about his skill level. i understand that bias, but if theres about 7-10 players better than him at his own position (simple math would mean that 1/3 of the league has a better PG than him), just imagine how many players are better overall than him, probably putting him outside the top 30 range, which was my initial point. so if you were to try to get a top 10 pick, youd either need to lose a lot, which i could see happening with the celtics (not talking shit just a valid point imo), or youd need to let smart play a lot of minutes at the 1 spot to guarantee hes a good enough point guard as far as scoring/facilitating to be able to trade rondo away + some
You know your not really good at explaining your points within your posts lol. If the celtics trade rondo I'm not expecting a top ten pick in return..I never said that. I just made the point that finding a center as a sleeper pick is unlikely and that you need a top ten 10 pick in order to obtain a decent one. Which is why I eluded to the fact that the celtics would be likely to obtain a center via trade or free agency. As for trading rondo..we would likely be getting younger assets in return for rondo and taking one of our unwanted salaries such as jeff green or wallace. That would allow us to free up cap space so we could further pursue signing a legit center in free agency. Will this happen? It may or it may not. For my sake I hope we resign rondo. I for one believe that he is a top 20 player in our league. He was ranked 12 in 2012 when he had a full healthy season. I probably wouldn't put him there now but somewhere between 12-20 seems right. ESPN rankings are skewed towards scorers. They don't take into account the players other attributes and how they effect the game.
that was my initial point from a long time ago, i asked what would you possibly give up for a top 10 pick? that was what i initially asked before you started ranting --> i said youd either need to probably give up 2 1st rounders + a 2nd rounder or rondo + a 1st rounder + a possible 2nd rounder

your list of "possible" free agent big men (PFs/Cs) for 2015: paul millsap, demare carroll, brook lopez (player option), KG, varaejao, greg monroe, roy hibbert (player option), david west (player option), deandre jordan, boozer, marc gasol, stoudemire, aldridge, amir johnson

out of those players, i see you having a shot with brook lopez, he could decline his player option this season if the nets do mediocre or average which i could possibly see happening, or monroe since hes upset with the pistons as it is, however hes gonna be a pretty fucking sought after free agent if he goes to the market not signing a deal before free agency starts. if youre looking to get monroe from free agency thats going to be a bit of a challenge since this would be rondos last year of his contract, going into 2015 the celctics will have about $47 mil in cap space locked up and the salary cap increase will be going up to about $63 mil in 2015/16, rondo will probably want a near max contract from whoever he signs with and monroe will probably want near the same, which would probably blow their contracts to $10-15 mil/year (im not an expert so im not exactly sure whats going to happen)

so back to the scenario where you try to get a top 10 pick center, what are you willing to give up? which was my first question
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Celtics simply do not have the assets to trade for a top ten pick. So that is not even worth consideration. Our biggest problem as of now are the contracts of Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace. Both of these players are getting paid way to much and are locking up cap space. The best thing the team could do is find a trade suitor for one or both of these players. Wallace will be nearly impossible move. Green on the other hand has some value despite his inconsistencies. If we can move a contract like that it would definitely help us in pursuing a center come next summer.
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ESPN rated Durant the 8th best player in the league. You still take these rankings serious?
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Oct 24 2014, 02:13 PM
ESPN rated Durant the 8th best player in the league. You still take these rankings serious?
they also ranked kobe 40th



what a fucking joke...
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Oct 24 2014, 03:59 PM
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Oct 24 2014, 02:13 PM
ESPN rated Durant the 8th best player in the league. You still take these rankings serious?
they also ranked kobe 40th



what a fucking joke...
ya i mentioned that earlier.Nonsense.
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they validated why they ranked them there. I have no issue with either.
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May 5 2011, 12:35 PM
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Start of the season boys. My cousin J Lin making the start for the Lakers tonight.

Today is one of two days of the year the NFL, NBA, and MLB are all active (potentially the last day if the Giants win tonight)
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Jun 2 2010, 08:24 AM
blade you can post screenshots of you beating people like louie in 1v1s as much as you want (seriosly with your sound, set up, and stopwatch you shouldnt lose a 1v1) but it doesnt change the fact that he is 20x the player you are.
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Oct 28 2014, 10:47 AM
Start of the season boys. My cousin J Lin making the start for the Lakers tonight.

Today is one of two days of the year the NFL, NBA, and MLB are all active (potentially the last day if the Giants win tonight)
nhl as well if youre talking about the big 4 in north america
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Oct 28 2014, 11:18 AM
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Oct 28 2014, 10:47 AM
Start of the season boys. My cousin J Lin making the start for the Lakers tonight.

Today is one of two days of the year the NFL, NBA, and MLB are all active (potentially the last day if the Giants win tonight)
nhl as well if youre talking about the big 4 in north america
oh yeah lol
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Jun 2 2010, 08:24 AM
blade you can post screenshots of you beating people like louie in 1v1s as much as you want (seriosly with your sound, set up, and stopwatch you shouldnt lose a 1v1) but it doesnt change the fact that he is 20x the player you are.
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^lmao how can u forget hockey dawg
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will the lakers win tonight?
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idk id give them a good shot. kobes first game back should spark them.
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anyone wanna inbox where i can watch these games for good quality?
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on the TV
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Oct 28 2014, 06:06 PM
on the TV
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ill livestream my tv using my cell phone and you can watch it
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Oct 28 2014, 06:37 PM
ill livestream my tv using my cell phone and you can watch it
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ill be streaming on pornhub live ill link u
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worst opening night ever
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ya well lakers suck. time to tank for #1
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and....randle is out for the season. he had a good run.
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Oct 29 2014, 05:41 PM
and....randle is out for the season. he had a good run.
why do you think i said it was the worst opening night ever?

fucking awful. poor kid man...
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