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| eager | Mar 2 2015, 11:18 PM Post #1226 |
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Another insight chittie bites the dust |
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| Louie | Mar 2 2015, 11:21 PM Post #1227 |
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remedy comin out of nowhere |
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| Trapt | Mar 2 2015, 11:27 PM Post #1228 |
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all we need now is for aqua to come out of the woodworks and tell me how the pacers are going to win it all this year.
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| Osama Bin Laggin | Mar 2 2015, 11:50 PM Post #1229 |
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| Remedy | Mar 3 2015, 01:38 AM Post #1230 |
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nah dog we just need you change your name back to Jeff Green and hop back on that train so everyone is clear that you dont know shit about basketball |
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| Trapt | Mar 3 2015, 07:52 AM Post #1231 |
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damn boo you got me. I know plenty about basketball. I don't need to sit here and write essays analyzing the statistics behind every opinion i have on the sport. This is the hptforums not the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Considering I'm the one keeping this the only somewhat active thread on here why don't you do us all a favor and dissapear again. Or..maybe you could actually contribute to the thread and state your opinion on the matter rather than expressing your dissatisfaction towards mine. Explain to me why the grizzies will make it to the finals this year. Convince that this will be the year in which the core trio of gasol,conely, and randolph will finally get over the hump. Show me that gasol can be that centerpiece center that wins you a championship. Prove to me that the memphis on roster are all above average players. Tell me how despite all the injuries in the wester conference Memphis is still the best team. You can't just come at me for not providing sufficient reasoning without expressing your own opinion on the matter. So lets hear it remedy, the nba guru, holder of all basketball knowledge. Wow us with your intelect. Unless, of course you don't believe any of this and you are just here to attack everything I say. Did I upset you in the past or something? Edited by Trapt, Mar 3 2015, 09:27 AM.
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| eager | Mar 5 2015, 05:00 AM Post #1232 |
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Trapt, most of the things you're saying are just sound bites from ESPN. Sound bites like the Spurs won because they had the "greatest PF in history along with 2 other HOFers". Duncan, Parker and Ginobili are not the same players they were in the past. None of those three guys were top 10 players in 2014. You're using a lot of meaningless statements like "SUPAHSTAHS WIN RANGZ" and "Centers can't carry a team to a championship". You don't seem to understand that there are still dominant big men in the NBA, but current trends have had them play at the 4 instead of the 5. Players like Duncan, KG, Webber, P. Gasol, Jermaine O'neal, Dirk, Davis would all be listed as centers if they played in the 80s or before. In the past, the most talented big man on your team was normally listed as the center. These were all guys who had a face up game, were great help defenders, had great jumpers, could drive to the basket, etc. Think Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem, etc. Part of the reason for the switch in positions was Shaquille O'neal fouling out opposing centers. Talented big men still exist all around the league, and have led their teams to championships. The only difference is most of them are playing as a PF. Hakeem, Ewing, Russell and Robinson would probably play as a PF in today's NBA. M. Gasol could easily play PF if the Grizzlies had Noah or Chandler instead of Z-Bo. Would they fit your agenda then, and become legit contenders? I mean I can accept you not considering them contenders because you think they're an inferior basketball team come playoffs, but to say things like they have no chance because no superstar or that a center can't carry his team makes you look really uninformed.
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| Trapt | Mar 5 2015, 07:17 AM Post #1233 |
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Lets just clarify that I don't watch espn. If anything knock me on watching nba games and listening to the color analysts. Even then most of them are former nba players or coaches so I think what they say holds some substance. My main point was that I don't feel gasol is good enough to lead the grizzlies to the championship. That's all. He has not proven to me that he's capable of doing so and I do not feel the rest of the grizzles roster is sufficient enough to help him reach that point. All this other crap has gotten way out of hand. As far as the center position goes is it really fair to compare the 80s to now? Also is it fair to continuously bring up the Spurs as an exception to what I'm saying? I agree that Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli are not the same players they once were. But they are still all future hall of famers with more combined playoff experience than any team in the league. So yes, I tend to give Duncan the nod as still being that face of a franchise type player who is actially capable of winning another championship because he has that experience and knows how to win when it matters most. There are always going to be exceptions to any point that is made (I will accept your mavs analogy) but to me the spurs still don't fall into that category. With that said, you guys continuously come at me for having uninformed opinions but no one has explained to me why the grizzlies will win it all this year. So come at me all you want but I'm not going to believe it until I actually see it happen. If anything, we are all uninformed. None of us are nba coaches or historians. We are fans of the game who probably played some level of basketball at one point of our lives. So get off your high horses horses. Theres a reason why we are discussing the nba on the hptforums. Edited by Trapt, Mar 5 2015, 07:53 AM.
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| eager | Mar 5 2015, 08:36 AM Post #1234 |
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Well, I think the Grizzlies have a legit chance (not saying they will 100% win) because they play a brand of basketball that is conducive to success in the playoffs. They pound the glass, score in the half-court and are strong defensively. They've consistently played the Thunder close in the playoffs, made the WCF and upset the Spurs in the first round all in the past 4 years. They'll actually have a high seed in the playoffs for once, although that might not matter if they end up facing the Spurs in the first round. I think the West will come down to HOU/MEM and the East ATL/CLE. Houston is my gambler's pick. It all depends on if Dwight will come back for the playoffs and produce at the level he did last year. If he does, I think they dispatch LAC fairly easily. A showdown between OKC and HOU in the second round would be epic. I think GSW relies too much on the jump shot to make it far in the playoffs. All it takes is a cold stretch from Klay/Curry to lose them a few games, potentially a series. I'd be ecstatic if they knocked out OKC, though. If they did, they'd be my pick over HOU to meet MEM in the WCF. The East is so cut and dry with the Rose injury. |
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| Osama Bin Laggin | Mar 5 2015, 08:54 AM Post #1235 |
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| Trapt | Mar 5 2015, 09:18 AM Post #1236 |
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Conductive brand of basketball, yes. However, based off their track record I still think its hard to say they have a good shot at winning more than one series. How do you think this years team differs from past years? Has conely improved enough? Do they have better supporting cast of players around their core now? How about their coach? Is he good enough to lead his team through multiple series? To me, there are way to many question marks surrounding that team and they have not proved enough. I personally think you can add them to the list of really good nba teams who. never accounted for anything. In fact, I would not be surprised if they finished as the number 1 seed in the west then got bumped in the first round. Getting back on topic. I don't see anyone beating the cavs so I think you can chalk them in as winners of the east. Flip a coin for the west but Spurs and OKC are my favorites if healthy come playoff time. If health is an issue for either team then GSW and Houston are going to give a lot of teams issues. Edited by Trapt, Mar 5 2015, 09:22 AM.
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| eager | Mar 5 2015, 10:23 AM Post #1237 |
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It's the same core players, but I think they're a better team overall. Gasol is having the best year of his career; he's arguably the best center in the league right now. But like I said, I think the main difference is the quality of their team overall. I mean, what's different about ATL's roster other than a healthy Al Horford? They're having their winningest season in franchise history after going 38-44 last year, with the same core players. Players aren't just some numbers in a video game. Chemistry and teamwork are important as well. It's why you can have two finals series with roughly the same players, and yet have two dramatically different results (hint: it happened recently). |
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| Trapt | Mar 5 2015, 10:39 AM Post #1238 |
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Well Atlanta is in the eastern conference. That's why they are having such a good season lol. Not saying they are a bad team but just look at the competition they go up against.Add to the fact that Horford is healthy, like you said, and teague has shown vast improvement and its really not a surprise that they have the record they do. Chemistry definitely plays a huge role. I never said otherwise . |
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| low | Mar 5 2015, 11:54 AM Post #1239 |
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pretty sure dallas was the team that came closest to upsetting the spurs last year who were unstoppable beyond the 1st round, dont count them out. i gotta agree with trapt, theres a lot more dangerous teams in the west than memphis lol |
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| Trapt | Mar 5 2015, 12:04 PM Post #1240 |
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Well I hate to break it to everyone but the celtics are about to sign Javale McGee. Banner 18 here we come. ps- In all honestly I'm not even mad at this signing. Sure he's as dumb as bricks but the dude has length and athleticism which is the one thing the celtics desperately need. if he can protect the rim and grab boards then he will benefit this team. Give him a trial run and see what he can do for this ball club. I'm just glad to see ainge and the celtics are really trying to make a push for that 8th seed. The entire team is buying into Stevens game plan and playing together. The addition of Thomas has provided a huge spark off the bench and elevated the games of others around him. Edited by Trapt, Mar 5 2015, 12:21 PM.
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| HPT-636 | Mar 5 2015, 01:15 PM Post #1241 |
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holy shit my nuggies this year. ive been avoiding this thread. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 5 2015, 01:28 PM Post #1242 |
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the grizzlies' inability to make three point shots worries me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Osama Bin Laggin | Mar 5 2015, 01:50 PM Post #1243 |
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i want the warriors to win so bad, i said that last time but i really think they can do it this year. as for the east, i want raptors to go far but i know they ll get knocked out by the cavs Edited by Osama Bin Laggin, Mar 5 2015, 01:50 PM.
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| Trapt | Mar 5 2015, 02:02 PM Post #1244 |
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Especially in today's game where the 3pt shot is being utilized more than ever. It's definitely a shooters league right now and defending a team with multiple shooters spreading the floor is damn near impossible. Especially when you have players like Harden who can penetrate and finish at the rim. Edited by Trapt, Mar 5 2015, 02:29 PM.
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| eager | Mar 5 2015, 10:10 PM Post #1245 |
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Atlanta was in the Eastern conference last year when they went 38-44... Not sure what your point is there. In the 25 games they had Horford, they were an above .500 team, but nothing like the historically great team we're seeing this year. Teague is almost the exact same player he was last year as well. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teaguje01.html The reason they're playing so well this year is their chemistry and teamwork. Budenholzer should win COY. Edited by eager, Mar 5 2015, 10:14 PM.
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| Remedy | Mar 5 2015, 10:22 PM Post #1246 |
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17-4 against the West. 11-2 against the top 8 teams in the West NBA-best 22-8 against teams with winning records. but OK
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| eager | Mar 5 2015, 10:23 PM Post #1247 |
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MEM is second to last in the league in 3PA. They don't live or die by the 3 like other teams do. It's one of the reasons I think they're built to succeed in the playoffs. Time will tell though, the Spurs are probably their biggest threat and if the playoffs started today, they'd face them in the first round. Edited by eager, Mar 5 2015, 10:24 PM.
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| Trapt | Mar 6 2015, 07:25 AM Post #1248 |
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well overall i don't think the east is as good this year. Teams like the pacers, nets, knicks, miami, hornets, etc. have dropped off talent wise due to injuries and players leaving. Meanwhile the Hawks are healthier, players have improved, players are buying into the teams concept and they are playing ass talent in the east on an almost nightly basis. Edited by Trapt, Mar 6 2015, 08:22 AM.
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| Trapt | Mar 6 2015, 07:36 AM Post #1249 |
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I never said the hawks were a bad team. Even so the majority of their games are against the east. If they played in the western conference don't you think a lot of those teams would develop stronger gameplans given the talent that's out there? I think the fact that teams in the west only play the hawks twice a year holds some weight. As for the east the talent is just not there both player and coach wise to compete with them. To reiterate myself. I do not think the Hawks are a bad team. I do think playing in the eastern conference helps them in the long run. They are not going up against the same level of talent day in and day out that teams out west face. Sometimes, numbers don't show or take account for all the factors at play. You can not honestly tell me that the hawks schedule does not play a factor in why they have the record they do. Edited by Trapt, Mar 6 2015, 07:57 AM.
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| Trapt | Mar 6 2015, 07:37 AM Post #1250 |
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You don't think the 3pt shot is important come playoff time? |
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