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| coN | Sep 5 2011, 09:50 PM Post #51 |
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not all immigrants were kidnapped and brought over here, either. plus, you can be german or italian or polish or albanian and grow up impoverished, but you're still a white(ish) man in a white mans world and you don't have to confront a cultural and racial barrier of such magnitude as the one between whites and blacks. |
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| TheRock | Sep 5 2011, 10:36 PM Post #52 |
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You know what, for the sake of argument ok con I agree with you and everyone else who still blame the history of black people and their 150 years of difficulty transitioning to this country. They were our slaves, we treated them like shit until we freed them, and even until the 1960's they were persecuted beyond a reasonable measure. I agree the U.S. has a terrible history, and our treatment of black people was disgusting. But personally, I can only have so much empathy and understanding until I start reading about what some of these people do today. It's 2011. There's not a generation of black people left who were enslaved. Most of the black kids growing up during the past 20-30 years have not experienced blatant persecution, exorbitant racism, job discrimination, or being called a nigger every day by white people to their faces. The whole concept of living in a "white man's world," should there forever apply to all who come to this country that are not white. Our recent influx of immigrants are Hispanics, and while some of them cause crime, they are ascending into the middle class in record numbers within the past 20 years, far exceeding African Americans who've been here for HOW lonG? How do you blame society and the white man's world when I found this in a study from a few years ago. "The most recent government statistics indicated that “43% of all murder victims in 2007 were African American, 93.1% of whom were killed were African Americans.” This is where I'm most dumbfounded, jews after the holocaust became closer and banded together as a religion. But the blacks are killing themselves in record numbers, and making places where they live more dangerous. So.. they talk shit about white people and how we run society and such, yet mostly kill their own. There's just nothing else to be said for the behavior some of them exhibit in this country. I really think the black community needs to get their messages across more clearly to their own. Not like hey we need to step up! More like you're a fucking disgrace to society, not to mention you make all the hard working blacks look bad. The fact that some black people follow that don't snitch campaign to the fullest is HILARIOUS. I read one article where a sibling knew who killed his brother, and he ultimately decided to keep his mouth shut because he didn't want to be labeled a snitch by his immediate community. lololool have fun with that life. http://articles.philly.com/2011-08-02/news/29842457_1_black-men-black-underclass-black-folks^good pointsz Edited by TheRock, Sep 5 2011, 10:42 PM.
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| Erosion | Sep 5 2011, 11:07 PM Post #53 |
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so? you're half a hippo |
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| gatman | Sep 5 2011, 11:22 PM Post #54 |
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I don't quite understand where you are coming from hav, if you disagree with what i said previously please refute~ |
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| Louie | Sep 6 2011, 01:13 AM Post #55 |
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http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/k61av/til_that_over_20_of_all_nobel_prize_winners_were/ hmm? |
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| TheRock | Sep 6 2011, 08:03 PM Post #56 |
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Kinda just @ around, con, and anyone else who wants to make excuses for the blacks behavior beyond a reasonable measure. I really don't know what you said but I'm sure it made sense. Edited by TheRock, Sep 6 2011, 08:05 PM.
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| coN | Sep 6 2011, 08:30 PM Post #57 |
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i'm sure if you researched western african culture before 1600 you'd find some other answers that socioeconomics can't provide. |
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| gatman | Sep 6 2011, 08:45 PM Post #58 |
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I'm not excusing the alleged behaviour, i was explaining how it isn't reasonable to blame the people themselves. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2011, 09:15 PM Post #59 |
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Google is how we do it Anyway, I love niggas who post statistics without sources. Legitimate articles and sources always reveal how they came about statistics and you should always pay close attention to that rather then be fooled. Anyway "There are more whites on welfare than blacks but percentage-wise there are more blacks on welfare than whites. It's also important to note that 24.7% of the black race lives below poverty line while only 8.6% of the white race does (as is stated here http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/) The countless whites who whimper about blacks on welfare as if it's a black-only program when 1.) there are plenty of whites on welfare and whites have always been welfare recipients in the U.S.; 2.) for the majority of its existence, welfare has been a white-only program. Hate to burst bubbles but welfare was created for solely whites. News flash: blacks were denied all their rights 35 years ago and prior. One of those rights was access to welfare. It was only by the end of a grisly African American Civil Rights Movement did poverty-stricken African Americans finally become eligible for welfare along with whites. Thanks to African Americans fighting for the equal rights of all minorities, all poverty-stricken racial groups became eligible for welfare. [source: http://academic.udayton.edu/race/04needs… ]; 3.) even if welfare were a black-only program, whites would STILL be unjustified to whimper about it. If that were the case, it ought to be regarded as a small reparation for the 5 century long era of anti-black atrocities that ended 35 years ago. It's as a result of that era that so many African Americans are impoverished. The entire African American community had to start out at the bare bottom and work their way up from scratch. In addition, it ought to be regarded as a small measure taken in respect to white privilege. (What are whites even doing on welfare considering white privilege and the fact that they weren't enslaved from the 1500s to 1865, legally discriminated against from 1865 through the 1970s, then separated from society's wealth in white flight)? News flash: today's elderly blacks were treated like garbage and denied all their rights 35 years ago (that includes most jobs; all decent jobs; all decent salaries); consequently leaving today's middle-aged blacks to start out impoverished, much like most of today's younger black generation. Besides that, blacks have been doing the dirty work of whites for the vast majority of their time spent in the U.S., while receiving nothing but racial abuse from whites in return. 3.) middle-class African Americans like myself pay taxes and aren't entitled to welfare even after wrestling our way out of poverty-stricken lifestyles whites have placed us in and we're not whimpering about paying taxes everywhere you turn around like the white community is 4.) despite the fact that middle-class African Americans pay taxes, they receive no credit for paying taxes as the majority of whites whimper about it as if they're the only people who pay taxes and aiding all blacks and only blacks -- Much like affirmative action, welfare is in no way reparation for the black race like whites treat it as. Hell, it's not even treated as reparation by whites, but worse: preferential treatment that solely blacks get over all races. The white race hasn't done squat to make up for the era of anti-black atrocities. The only thing they've done is whimper AS IF they've done far more than enough. In addition to working for the white race with repayment of mistreatment, impoverishment, and zero reparations, blacks additionally have to deal with baseless welfare whimpering from whites." I mean really Anyway this generation is an obvious uprise. You'll be working for me As for the violence there's a ton of variables I don't have time to write up |
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| coN | Sep 6 2011, 09:18 PM Post #60 |
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i guess i was just too stoned but i could have sworn i posted a few days ago about how welfare being 37 percent black and 37 percent white (or w/e they were exactly) didn't take into account that 12.6% of the country is black and hence a much higher proportion of blacks are on welfare than whites. if u r going to post statistics havok isn't that like...1 of the first things u should think about when analyzing them? :O |
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2011, 09:22 PM Post #61 |
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It's called confirmation bias, Con. They clearly aren't critical thinkers and shouldn't speak on conserversial topics. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2011, 09:23 PM Post #62 |
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Now here goes the "YEAH I KNOW, BUT.." and repeat the bull without including all of the fucking chips. |
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| Louie | Sep 6 2011, 09:33 PM Post #63 |
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the same could be said for you |
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| HPT-1 | Sep 6 2011, 09:36 PM Post #64 |
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hey i live in Wisconsin too! ![]() i ate WAY too much at the state fair last month
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2011, 09:47 PM Post #65 |
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I think this can be applied on the daily... |
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2011, 09:52 PM Post #66 |
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l0l badgr tryna get w/ dat |
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2011, 09:58 PM Post #67 |
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what information am I blindly eluding that could conflict with my conclusion |
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| jon the don | Sep 6 2011, 11:11 PM Post #68 |
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What a surprise |
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| Erosion | Sep 6 2011, 11:28 PM Post #69 |
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When do you not eat too much? |
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| TheRock | Sep 7 2011, 12:29 AM Post #70 |
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quick estimated math: 300,000,000 in this country. 189,000,000= white 36,000,000=black 73,000,000= whites on welfare. 13,000,000= blacks on welfare. More whites on welfare numbers wise.. I said dis.. nothing more nothing less Also Around I'm not citing shit like I'm writing a thesis in college you nerd, it's a forums. I don't care all that much because on this topic there's not a "right" or "wrong" answer. Here's the debate. Truth: Black people are more likely to go to jail, commit crimes, join gangs. My side note was more whites collect from welfare, and obviously there are more white people, there's really no correlation between the welfare system, black people and crime, I'm just nearly pointing out there are MORE whites in general are on welfare and they are still less likely to go to jail. You read any government census, articles in the news (YES FOUND ON GOOGLE, THAT'S WHERE YOU FOUND YOUR NIGGER THEORIES), and obviously common knowledge and there's no denying this. My opinion: Yes they've been through a lot, but it's still appalling how a vast majority that are seen by the public act, behave, and interact with their environment. Around your article was huge, it was full of rambling and made no sense. I'm not gonna isolate paragraphs and counter them from a wall of text about welfare when clearly I was not making any correlation between welfare and crime just how more whites are statistically on welfare and are not in prison. Sadly around blacks are still slow in ascending to the middle class, and the black population is projected to decline by 2050. But hey I don't think you get me, I'd be happy if the majority of blacks would make the transition to be working class and not criminals. I don't want blacks to continue to be shitty people forever. Edited by TheRock, Sep 7 2011, 12:29 AM.
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| Erosion | Sep 7 2011, 01:33 AM Post #71 |
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niggas were enslaving other niggas long before the white man came around |
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| gatman | Sep 7 2011, 02:01 AM Post #72 |
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Havock, Around is right though, there are huge inconsistencies with reported crime. The data does not suggest african-americans are more violent or more likely to commit crime, that would be making false conclusions from the observations. What you can conclude is they get caught and convicted more, as that is what the data actually reveals. Blacks areas are targeted more, blue collar specifically violent crime is targeted more. You watch any tv/movie, its rape/murder not fraud or white collar crime, there are huge manipulations of reality. Self-report data suggests crime and violence is relatively consistent around areas, which suggests that police target the 'easy' and 'notorious' places while others go unscaved. It is an undeniable fact that police target blue collar crime as opposed to white collar. It is easy to prosecute the poor and uneducated, as they don't fight back with lawyers and political pressure. But most crucially, like i have already explained, it isn't fair to blame the people for how they behave. As if you were brought up under their circumstances you would be exactly the same. It isn't reasonable to hate the people, hate the conditions which caused the behaviour you hate. When people accept things like this we can actually develop ways of remedying the problem instead of covering it up. |
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| Erosion | Sep 7 2011, 02:13 AM Post #73 |
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Yea Europeans were enslaving black people long before other black people were enslaving black people owait it's in the genetics Edit; But seriously I see where you are coming from gatman, but at some point in time one has to take responsibility for one's actions. Lot of people grow up in poverty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Poverty_and_demographics and don't commit as many (violent) crimes as the black community does http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/new-york/two-cops-shot-brooklyn-gun-battle-caps-terror-140707072.html It's ridiculous. Yes white men commit more blue-collar crimes but I'd rather someone steal 1 million dollars than kill a man. Edited by Erosion, Sep 7 2011, 02:17 AM.
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| Louie | Sep 7 2011, 02:13 AM Post #74 |
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kUMBAYA |
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| gatman | Sep 7 2011, 03:17 AM Post #75 |
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Sure you can take responsibilty but if you simply don't know better, you don't know better. As i clearly explained before poverty doesnt determine who you are, but genetics and experiences do, and sometimes poverty provides some nasty experiences which cause anti-social behaviour. Unless you are alluding do some free will concept where everyone magically already knows right and wrong and chooses to act on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKLAbWFCh1E |
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