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Russell Wilson for rookie of the year
Topic Started: Jan 24 2013, 05:07 PM (679 Views)
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he had so many clutch moments this season. if you haven't seen his highlights yet then you better watch this

Wilson > RGIII and Luck


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Great player. That being said. Lot of great young quarterbacks recently. Before going into them I'll talk about a few things I noticed in this video.

Game against Buffalo on the flea flicker. Nicely drawn play; works because Seattle has great weapons including one in their running back Lynch. RG3 and Kaepernick both had tremendous backs as well (Luck did not).

That one play against Miami was just ridiculous. Elusiveness in the pocket and able to find his Wr in the back left corner of the endzone. No doubting his athleticism. I worry about durability and longevity.

The game against NE when he scrambles around the Ref shows he's smart. Still that could end badly on another occasion, especially with all those runs.

I don't like to judge QBs based on their first season because the defensive coordinators haven't had time to adjust. Give them an off season and we'll see how these guys look. Some people think the Pistol offense is the future (in SF) and that it is unbeatable. Give it an off season.

Just look at what happened to Cam Newton his 2nd year. Sam Bradford. Etc.
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wilson is better than griffin and luck imo but i dont think hes gonna win it because luck and griffin 2 popular
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statistically speaking rg3 did more for his team than any of the above mentioned qbs

seattle has a better team overall than the redskins, mainly their defense which is considerably better and rg3 still lead them to the playoffs. you could make an argument that if rg3 wasnt injured so badly in that game against seattle they couldve won that game.

thats not really an argument in comparing qb's for rookie of the year, but rg3 playing against a much better defense in seattles couldve shown that rg3 is a better qb than wilson if they won that game
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all about kaepernick bro

i knew nigga was gonna be good but not this good. that being said the 49ers were simply a good quarterback away from being a superbowl contender, so its not like he's had to lead any sort of rebuilding program like luck or rg3.
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Jan 25 2013, 06:19 PM
all about kaepernick bro
hes not a rookie
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all about kaepernick bro
hes not a rookie
nigga i'm only watching football because the lakers r losing suck my dick
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alfred morris ftw

obviously one of the qb's will get it though. Wilson is the most deserving out of the three but I think Luck will have the best career.

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why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
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Jan 25 2013, 08:05 PM
why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
You just contradicted yourself so hard.

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Jan 25 2013, 08:39 PM
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Jan 25 2013, 08:05 PM
why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
You just contradicted yourself so hard.
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blade you can post screenshots of you beating people like louie in 1v1s as much as you want (seriosly with your sound, set up, and stopwatch you shouldnt lose a 1v1) but it doesnt change the fact that he is 20x the player you are.
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why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
You just contradicted yourself so hard.
no, if youre referring to my other post im not saying that if they had the victory in itself against seattle in the playoffs wouldve counted as a "clutch victory," i was more or less pointing out that rg3 could have possibly performed better against a better defense than wilson performed against a worse defense, cant really say whether or not how he wouldve done if he wasnt injured though

easy to understand
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why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
You just contradicted yourself so hard.
no, if youre referring to my other post im not saying that if they had the victory in itself against seattle in the playoffs wouldve counted as a "clutch victory," i was more or less pointing out that rg3 could have possibly performed better against a better defense than wilson performed against a worse defense, cant really say whether or not how he wouldve done if he wasnt injured though

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No you contradicted yourself by saying the ROTY is based off statistics and then went on to talk about who's teammates were worse.

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why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
You just contradicted yourself so hard.
no, if youre referring to my other post im not saying that if they had the victory in itself against seattle in the playoffs wouldve counted as a "clutch victory," i was more or less pointing out that rg3 could have possibly performed better against a better defense than wilson performed against a worse defense, cant really say whether or not how he wouldve done if he wasnt injured though

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No you contradicted yourself by saying the ROTY is based off statistics and then went on to talk about who's teammates were worse.
how is that contradicting myself? rg3's team is worse overall in comparison to seattle and he had a better statistical year than wilson...

its proving that rg3 can do more with less, i dont understand how i contradicted myself
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why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
I'd say the Colt's roster was FAR worse than the redskins roster.

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why does everyone think that wilson is the most deserving? because of a few clutch victories? do you value clutch victories over statistics when it comes to a mainly statistical based award? im unbiased when it comes to these qbs since im a packer fan (and no seattles win doesnt matter to me lol), but rg3 did more with a worse team overall and had a better statistical year along with bringing the redskins back to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons
I'd say the Colt's roster was FAR worse than the redskins roster.

http://fantasyknuckleheads.com/nfl-target-stats/?tyear=12

reggie wayne had the 2nd most targets among all receivers, not that wayne 100% carried andrew luck, but having him always helps quite a bit, the redskins receiving core is nothing compared to having wayne by himself lol

alfred morris was rg3's "reggie wayne," but rg3 also did much more overall as an actual QB as opposed to luck not talking about rushing
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http://www.sportsbookgurus.com/sports/nfl/offensive-stats.html

There was one posted in May of 2012 that had them at 31st worst offensive line. I tried to look for the best one I could give them. Luck is just a beast.

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http://www.sportsbookgurus.com/sports/nfl/offensive-stats.html

There was one posted in May of 2012 that had them at 31st worst offensive line. I tried to look for the best one I could give them. Luck is just a beast.

im not sure what thats showing, i didnt watch that video though

and if youre comparing offensive lines http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKS_ALLOWED&tabSeq=2&season=2012&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true

washingtons offensive line was nothing to write home about, they only gave up 8 less sacks than indy, if you want to compare the teams, and thats saying a lot since rg3 is a much more athletic qb

edit: if you believe that luck wouldve even had half the season that he had this year without reggie wayne youre retarded. now dont get the impression that im saying that luck isnt a good qb, thats not what im saying at all. im saying that wayne made him look like a much bigger superstar than he is right now imo. you shouldve seen the catches wayne was making in the green bay game. unbelievable.

13 catches for 212 yds vs. the packers in a game that they started down 21-3, he literally carried them out of that game for example.

hell you could argue that t.y. hilton is a better receiver than anyone else on the redskins roster lol
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Ok so calvin johnson led the league in targets and receptions yet stafford still had a terrible season. Clearly having one go to receiver does not result in having a good statistical season. Not sure what point you are trying to make there. It's also a lot easier to throw when you have one of the leagues top backs behind you who can break out for multiple yards at any given moment. Something that Luck did not have. RG3 is just another mike vick in the making. Blessed with amazing skills but injuries will forever plague him. Luck on the other hand will have a long career.
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That's a pretty garbage argument tbh. Blaming his success on one WR? He had over 4000 yards passing in his rookie season. An NFL record. Did Wayne catch all 4000 of those yards? I must have missed him setting that record.

The only reason RG3 was any good this year was because of Alfred Morris. Only reason Wilson was any good this year was because of Marshawn Lynch. Thinking 1 WR makes THAT big of a difference compared to a couple of backs that put up over 1500 yards on the ground is simply ridiculous. All RG3 did ALL year was fucking play action pass.

So consequently when you have a back that runs for a shit load of yards...arguably rookie of the year...and a QB that is mobile and does play action, he's going to have a lot of success. Same deal with Wilson.

Luck had no running game and his line was shit. That Indy defense was horrendous. MUCH worse than either of those two teams (plz try 2 argue dat) and frequently Luck was making 4th quarter comebacks. RG3 and Wilson played with leads! lmao

You can't even fucking compare them. It's not even close. good try
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except wilson had some beast comebacks..should of won the game vs atl as well. Defense choked on that one..

with all that being said. Kaepernick da real deal even know he is not technically a rookie
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