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| The Foolishness Of Preaching | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 12:34 PM (638 Views) | |
| nbogosian | Oct 13 2006, 12:34 PM Post #1 |
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Hey everyone, I was wondering if you could direct me to somewhere on the site or help answer my question: I know Mike & Ray have both compared what they do to the "foolishness of preaching". I know this is Scriptural, but I don't know what it means or what it implies. It's never made sense to me. ~Nicholas |
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| ertsky | Oct 13 2006, 08:57 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Nicholas this topic fascinates me. what is that verse again? (e-Sword rocks!) 1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. so God in His wisdom has ordained that through our own wisdom we would not be able to know Him, no matter how hard we tried, our wisdom would avail nothing, until God would send forth His Truth through His messengers and then if God opens our ears and eyes we would hear and see. (otherwise we would be blind and deaf as carnal man, even rocks are not that blind and deaf) but maybe better to read that whole section 1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. right, if we could know God by our wisdom (perish the thought) why would Christ have to suffer and die. we could all just understand and everything would be fine ("no need for suffering and death" is of a false christ) 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. yes to the unbeliever (who may even be a "christian") (God loves them and made them for that, they "get it" later) yes to unbelievers (and even the called) this message of Christ and His cross is foolishness, they think it's dumb. (they are appointed by God to think it's dumb) self denial comes as naturally to carnal man as swimming does to a brick. when the beast rises out of the abyss in me i am quickly and sometimes painfully reminded that apart from Christ in me i swim like a brick (apart from Him i can do nothing)1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. yes the wisest natural man in the world is useless in the spiritual realm, it avails nothing, it is the spirit that makes alive the flesh profits nothing. which of us by taking thought can add anything to ourselves for all is of God. in that sense there are no great men of God, only men and a great God. 1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. there it is, why am i being saved? because God ordained it, and how did He ordain that it should happen? by using my God given intellect, NO! LOL! no by hearing a "foolish" message preached that the natural man thinks is the dumbest thing he has ever heard. (the fact is he heard nothing) and even the christian doesn't understand until God brings him to that place. (the sea (all people) and the earth (called church world) have missed it only the sky (elect) understand and only because God has made it this way). exactly, i thought about God for years and got nowhere (well i got exactly where God wanted me to get) and then find a web page (of all things) and bang! Babylon is on the run, false doctrines are cast out, and the day begins to dawn. and what part can i claim in it? NOTHING i just sat there and went WOW! (and i only did that because God wanted me to. (out of Him through Him and into Him are all) 1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; they don't get it where they are, never have, never will, how can they? it is hidden from their eyes. we contribute nothing! NOT ONE THING! Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. 1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. oh YES! (if only God will have mercy and open my eyes and ears) 1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. AMEN! there is the thing, God made men and He made some of them EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT!! and God also made the "foolishness" of the Gospel to render man's intelligence useless. take that fleshly pride so why did He do all this? without going to far into another topic consider this verse Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. EVERYONE (sky, earth and sea) seems pretty happy about the plan at that point! 1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. in the natural first comes life then comes death but in the spiritual death comes first then life, anything that doesn't acknowledge that is of the false christ. 1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: CHRIST IS ALL! 1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. GLORY!! f PS: Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? the "hearing of faith" combined with the "foolishness of preaching" can bring about (when God is working) the impossible. f |
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| nbogosian | Oct 14 2006, 12:07 AM Post #3 |
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Thanks for your great reply. It's exactly what I needed. |
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| Deedle | Oct 14 2006, 10:19 AM Post #4 |
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:lol: A classic quote from Frank. I love it. Deed |
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| Becky | Oct 14 2006, 07:20 PM Post #5 |
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Frank, I read more than I post.... but this time I must speak... for once I able (by God) to be patient enough to fully comprehend what I was reading. (I hope). And I just felt the need to say to you that this was so very easy to read and grasp. I myself didn't really get that verse even though I had read it on this site enough... I actually thought that it meant that the "foolish" preaching of "another Jesus" was the foolishness of preaching. I guess I thought of that verse where Paul says that he is not upset about that false preaching because at least the name of Jesus was said (I think that was what that verse was saying: correct me if I am wrong :)) Anyway, Again, thanks! It was an excellent!
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| Steven Crook | Oct 14 2006, 11:26 PM Post #6 |
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Brilliant insight the Lord has given you there Frank. The Lord has blessed me through your admonitions. God Bless |
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| IWWBAdmin | Oct 15 2006, 12:23 AM Post #7 |
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Indeed! This was a wonderful post Frank! |
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| nbogosian | Oct 15 2006, 09:56 PM Post #8 |
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thank you Frank - your reply was exactly what I needed. ~Nicholas |
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