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| Christ In Me Is Endurance Till The End?; Please help me discern! | |
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| Wesco_5 | Nov 1 2006, 01:52 AM Post #1 |
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Hi All... Please help! A man whom i concider as a father to me regarding spiritual things made this statement in response to a text message i sent him! This is what is said: "my prayer for you is that you endure till the end....." And his response was: "Christ IN me IS endurance till the end (HE in me). Therefore, i cannot endure PRAISE THE LORD! same is true of you." I welcome all counsel... I recognise i am still blind regarding many things of the Spirit and i dont trust to many since the Lord has begun to open my eyes. God Bless, Wesley |
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| sandra | Nov 1 2006, 10:47 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Wesley, and welcome "my prayer for you is that you endure till the end..." This prayer is of truth, and i pray in hope for it also. Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. The response was; and your question "Christ in me is endurance till the end? It is of a truth that we cannot endure without Christ in us. For Jesus himself says we cannot do nothing of ourselves and he also cannot do nothing without the Father. Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING. Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you. The SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but what HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: for what things soever HE DOETH, these also DOETH THE SON LIKEWISE. also this; Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. However, forgive me if i say boldly here that this person's response sounds like it is a done deal once accepting Jesus. Sounds like orthodox christianity and is a false doctrine. Because the truth of the scriptures state this: Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; wherof I Paul am made a minister; Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory; Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. What does endure to the end mean? It means to remain faithful to all of the Words of Christ and to never deny any part of His doctine till the end of this life, in this vessel of clay. Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? There are many Christians who call Christ Lord but who hate His doctrines Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Mat 10;22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end SHALL BE saved. Salvation is an ongoing process. It must be "worked out" in each of us by "dying daily" 1Cor 15:31.......I die daily We are being saved and if we endure to the end we shall be saved. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Rev 3:5 he that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear; let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of Kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev 14:1 And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. In His Love, sandra |
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And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; Neither shall they say, Lo here: or, lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Lk17:20-21 | |
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| Wesco_5 | Nov 2 2006, 03:27 AM Post #3 |
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sandra... Thank you for taking the time to shed some light! Now is it in line with Truth to say that those who will endure to the end, are those who by the will of God are chosen to endure? And we know we are chosen if we endure to the end? What if i miss something? Is it not all of Christ? (i think im answering my question) so its of God that i endure to the end or dont (many are called few ar chosen)... I am as one who sees very Vaguely. Rom 12:1 "I appeal to you therefore, brothers, BY THE MERCIES OF GOD, to present your bodies as a living Scarifice, holy and Acceptable to God, which IS your spiritual worship" Is my high calling to offer my body a living sacrifice holy and pleasing? That he may endure to the end in me? That Christ may have his way in me... My own experience has been(not that my experience is the standard) that i have been dragged toward Christ... John 6:44 all within me resists! so i begin to make choices in the way of Righteousness because1) it is Truth and 2) its too painful to move in another direction save in the way of Jesus Christ. If that makes sense?(i am very slow to learn) You said: "It means to remain faithful to all of the Words of Christ and to never deny any part of His doctine till the end of this life, in this vessel of clay" Question? Who can walk in such perfection? save the life of Christ in us... The perpections of Jesus Christ mainifest in my flesh! Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of Kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Is OUR hope and confidence not to be in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ... 1 Cor 1:28 "God chose what is low and dispised in this world, even things that are not to brin to nothing things that are, so that no Human being may bost in the presence of God. He IS the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom GOD MADE OUR WISDOM and our SANCTIFICATION, AND REDEMPTION." Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. John 6:29 Jesus answered them, "this IS the work of God that you believe on the one that the Father has sent." I see but i dont see if you know what i mean...... :ph43r: More light please... Wez |
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| ertsky | Nov 2 2006, 05:08 AM Post #4 |
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sounds like you're doing fine Wez two of my favourite verses are 1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. that has definitely been my experience and of course what security in submitting to the chastening of God Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. but as always Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. i still marvel that at the moment i thought it was all over with me and God that was the moment it really started to take off! Job 9:10 Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number. Job 9:11 Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not. Job 9:12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou? Psa 136:4 To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever. f |
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| sandra | Nov 6 2006, 06:01 PM Post #5 |
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Hi Wez, Yes Wez, it is ALL of Christ and by the Will of God like you said. i use to worry about missing something too. i am what you call a late bloomer in some circles. it seems all my life i had to run twice as fast to catch up. However, God choose now to be the time to reveal himself to me. i used to think if I only knew him sooner, i could have done alot of things differently. And also fear, will i have enough time to learn all i need to learn? And it is only now, that i understand ,by him showing me , looking back at all that he brought me through, so i can understand what someone else might be going through, and show them the same mercy Jesus has shown me, with his Love and his Truth. Jer 42:11-12 Be not afraid of the king of Babylon, of whom ye are afraid; be not afraid of him, saith the Lord: for I am with you to save you, and to deliver you from his hand. And I will shew mercies unto you, that he may have mercy upon you, and cause you to return to your own land. Rom 11:30-32For as ye in times past (ME) have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. This whole work is ALL according to God's will and In His Love for us.!!!! For God is Love.!!! and a merciful God. Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us. Eph 2:5-6 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. for we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. And now, i do not question why he does what he does nor when he does it, but thank him each day for his mercy/grace he gives me of his gift, while still in this flesh. I am the least of all the saints to receive this gift from God. i am one of these also: 1Cor 1:26-28 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: His ways are not our ways, and in this i ask him, for understanding. His word(Jesus) is Truth and Jesus says, Jon 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God (is) a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Sometimes when i need a fresh breath of air, i go outside and just stand under the trees, sometimes i look at the sun shinning through the leaves, and i especially love it when the wind is blowing for it reminds me of this verse where Jesus says; Jon 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit And when i am falling/sinking Jesus gives me the vision of when Peter was on the water walking to him, after he told him to come; Mat 14:26-31 And when the disciples, saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I, be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come, And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boysterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherfore didst thou doubt? I was greatly encouraged by your post(s). Jon 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. Always remember my brother wez; In His Love, sandra |
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And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; Neither shall they say, Lo here: or, lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Lk17:20-21 | |
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| Wesco_5 | Nov 9 2006, 06:13 AM Post #6 |
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Prais ethe Lord sandra... Thank you for your encouragement. Mat 5:3 "How blessed are those who are destitute in spirit, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to them! And how painful is it to be brought to this understanding...??? Joh 15:5 I am the vine, you are the branches. The one who abides in me while I abide in him produces much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. But when we see, by the mercies of God, that there is no food on the table and that my labours produce no fruit in keeping with Righteousness, then the magnitude of the Gift which we have been Given in Christ takes on a new meaning. and its valueChrist IS my Righteousness! Christ IS my Life... We are taken from walking pompously and arogantly (in the flesh) before the Lord are brought to SEE that the only way to come Before him who is faithful to supply all our needs is with open hands, knee bent and a contrite heart... Thank you Lord Jesus, Thank you! May we never forget that we are fed because your (our Lords) arms are streched out... This has been a 7 year process for me... and only now am i begining to see as i once saw... :-) apart from Him i can do nothing! Mat 11:27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. Mat 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Christ be formed in Us, Wez |
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| Timothy Vaughan | Nov 10 2006, 02:29 AM Post #7 |
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Dear family, Come up hither. It is the GLORY of God to CONCEAL a thing:but the HONOUR of kings is to search out a MATTER. I see (though blind) that I AM in the presence of kings. 1 peter 2:9/ 9 (a kingly priesthood) rev 5:10/prov 22:29 For this end was I born. jn 18:37/luke 23:3/1 cor 15:8/Ecc 8:4 So is this SIGN is above my cross in many tounges. jn 19:19/luke 23;38/ mk 15:26/Mt 27:37/Gal 2:20/mt 10:38/mt 16;24/lk 14:27/ gal 6:5 And the HEART of KINGS is UNSEARCHABLE. prov 25:3 It is not good to eat MUCH honey:so for men to search thier own glory is not glory. This is the wise men's gift .I present to you kings.because I look to the star out of jacob.mt 2:1-2 Num 24;17/mt 2;7-11 I have found him lying in a manger under a star with wild beasts of the field. Clothed in swaddling clothes. Timothy |
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| sandra | Nov 10 2006, 02:14 PM Post #8 |
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Wez, i was so blessed by your post yesturday. And how true of what was said -all of it!!! i meditated all day and part of the night on the words, All of them.!!! Especially, how painful is it to be brought to this understanding...??? When only the day before i was meditating on a beautiful testomony from one of our brothers. i have yet to write a post and yet for others also. For when i read what is being said, i ask Jesus for understanding, not only in the scriptures that are quoted but to see past the letter of someone's hand. So it takes me a while to reply and this is the pace the Lord has me. For there is a heart ,soul and life in these posts behind the letter, that the Lord see's and reveals by his spirit. Of course we see only in part, but the Lord knows all. And, the part the spirit reveals is what we are to be concerned with.!!! 1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. Amp 1Co 2:10-11 Yet to us God has unveiled and revealed them by and through His Spirit, for the [Holy] Spirit searches dilegently, exploring and examining everything, even sounding the profound and bottomless things of God [the divine counsels and things hidden and beyound man's scrutiny]. For what person perceives (knows and understands) What passes through a man's thoughts except the man's own spirit within him? Just so no one discerns (comes to know and comprehend) the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. i use to ask God if he forgave my sins -which are many, and he says he remembers them no more, then why do i have to remember (for now)? Luk 7:47-48 Wherefore I say unto thee. Her sins, which are many are forgiven: for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven the same loveth little. And he said unto her. Thy sins are forgiven. Isa. 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Heb 10:16-17 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them: And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. Here is the question -How painful is it to be brought to this understanding...??? This is what he reveled to me. For our Father has a purpose and plan for everything, And All of it is by him, through him and for him. Even though i have to remember my sins/transgressions for now, There is no condemnation in Christ. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Jon 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you. He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting(aionion) life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. i had to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil first. it is not only pleasant to the sight but it is GOOD FOR FOOD. Before I partook of the Tree of Life. which was always in the midst of my garden.!!! (Gen 2:9). So, through my life's experiences which is now not my life nor really was. Can I understand when a brother who shares in a post -at that moment he slumped into a couch in a local bar -if i myself have not been there -can i feel at that moment what he felt in his heart -lonliness, desparation, despair!! if i myself hadn't sat many,many lonly times on a bar stool myself, looking down into a half empty glass of whatever the flavor was at that moment. Can i understand where a brother pours out his heart by the experiences he had with drugs, if i myself have not partook of them also, knowing what drives a person to do these things, wheather it be trying to escape the hardships of this life, feeling like a failure in not acomplishing a goal? or maybe the saddness we feel for others just seems so unbearable -maybe just going through a divorce ourselves,loosing a career,or our very home?. Do we understand the heart that has experienced the loss of a loved one? if we ourselves have not also have experienced this and affects our heart deeply.? such as loosing a brother, my brothers name was Michael. coming from a disfunctional family and being part of a disfunctional family myself? knowing what it feels like to be thrown out in the streets at a young age and yet have still younger siblings to think about if i hadn't myself been in such situations. Do i know what it is like to go hungry -yes physically and spiritually my friend. Do i remember what it feels like to be poor and in such poverty, that even school children can be so cruel to you as well as their parents.!!! Do i yet understand another brother's post when we come to learn the truth, doesn't our flesh all act the same way -wanting to go and scream in their faces -the lies that they are teaching.!!! There is another post asking about milk for their children. No matter what age the Lord feeds us we all start with milk -physically and spiritually before we can chew meat. It has taken the Lord for me a half century to bring me to you today. And the process has truly just begun. My children are now just receiving the name of Jesus without rebuke, they are 24 and 26 yrs old. I myself as you see am a late bloomer so they as like many others are not without hope. For Christ in us IS the Hope of Glory. This parable Jesus gave us; Luk 18:10-14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. the Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week. I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased: and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. God will have mercy on whom he will and whom he will he hardenth. It is All by His Will. Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. We have to eat both from the tree my friend.!! and yet, i still shake my head at Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, AND HE TO WHOMSOEVER THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM. Yes, Thank you Jesus, Thank you... In His Love, sandra |
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And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; Neither shall they say, Lo here: or, lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Lk17:20-21 | |
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| sandra | Nov 26 2006, 09:41 AM Post #9 |
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My Dear Brother Timothy, Your post brought tears of joy to my eyes. As always, the scriptures you point to us always do.!!!! I have seen in your other posts, you mention you are moving. The Lord is also having me to do the same. My server just changed due to a company switch and will yet change again when the move is final. So forgive me on my late replies.
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And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; Neither shall they say, Lo here: or, lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Lk17:20-21 | |
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