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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 2 2006, 09:40 AM (890 Views) | |
| Charles963 | Nov 2 2006, 09:40 AM Post #1 |
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Hi everyone, I am new here, very happy to be here. I will start with a question that I ponder almost every day. What are we to be doing with what we have been shown. There seems to be some differing opinions. Some think we can just keep to ourselves until we are finally "revealed to the world". I have heard Mike Vinson say that we are in a real battle, and I can't remember the actual quote, but he seemed to be saying that we need to take the offensive in the battle. Has anyone had much experience at just boldly proclaiming it? When I was in PA last year, I stopped in to this little Baptist Church out in the country because there were people inside. The first person to greet me was the pastor. I told him I wanted to share a rare perspective of the truth from the Bible. After I told him what it was, he was polite but looked at me like I had ten heads. He said if he had the time he would like to show me how I erred. I boldly told him that I wasn't interested in debating it, that I was solid in what I knew and that I was only telling him so that he might become aware of it. We parted ways. Looking back, I don't even know what possessed me to go in there, I don't know whether it was God's Holy Spirit guiding me or if it was just my fleshly pushiness. It will be interesting when I see this man someday in Heaven and find out what he did if anything with what I told him. What are your thoughts on this? I believe we all think about this often because most of us probably come from a background of being expected to witness at every opportunity. Your Brother Charles |
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| Steven Crook | Nov 2 2006, 12:08 PM Post #2 |
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Hello Charles, and welcome to our discussion board. Early on in my walk with the truths I now possess, I wanted to shove it in as many Christians faces as possible. Not in a mean spirited way, but none-the-less I wanted to make sure they understood how wrong they were. This was just my personal way of getting back at "the church" for telling me so many lies. A little after this period in my walk with the Lord, I quickly learned that no one wanted to hear what I had to say unless they asked me. We would all rather see a sermon than hear a sermon, and I am sure you might have heard that before. Anyhow, this is a profound scripture to me, because it is very truthful to 1) the giver of knowledge, and 2) the receiver of that knowledge. (1 Peter 3:15 KJVR) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: It truly was a wondrous thing when I actually put this into practice. It allows me to truly submit to the sovereignty of the Father, while also showing me that by doing so, He will bless me with the rare occasion that He orchestrates so that I can indeed be a witness to His wondrous Love. By doing so, I am keeping His commandments, and I am also making sure that my carnal mind doesn't get in the way. It also allows me to know when to speak, when to listen, and when NOT to speak with my tongue when I shouldn't be doing so. Anyhow, that is what I have personally learned from experience, and I have heard similar things from many like-minded believers. It also allows us to follow the commandments of the Lord in knowing that when a person does ask us a question and we give them an answer, just how many times we should give them an answer. If someone asks me a question, and I give them an answer, and they then ask me again the same question but they do not understand my answer again or they feel as if they need to debate me about it, I am told to put it to rest there. (Titus 3:10 KJVR) A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject; I hear a lot of folks say that a first and second admonition is not enough because love should continue to patiently continue to exhort and edify a person as much as possible. This, according to the scriptures is not following His commandments. All scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and we can't pick and choose what we like and dislike so that it fits our definitions of things. The scriptures define themselves, and because of that, we can not go outside of scripture and define them ourselves. Doing this is not truly having faith in the sovereignty of God in all things, and debating with someone after giving them answers for their questions is simply debating the Father because it is HE who as caused the situation to come about. After all, it is the Father doing the dragging, and it is Christ in US who they are being dragged to, and that allows the right opportunity to be caused in order for us to help someone along in their walk or not. When someone asks, we know it is of the Lord, and when they don't we can almost always bet it is our own carnal mind wanting to force the situation, but that in and of itself is the Lord teaching/chastising us also. It is chastisement then sometimes and a lot of times later or both then and later On the reverse end, personally, when I am unsure of something scriptural, I ask for scriptures. When scriptures aren't provided for an answer, I do not rely on that person's testimony. The scriptures, the Word of God, the HOLY SPIRIT is what is needed in order to rightly divide the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (John 14:17 KJVR) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 15:26 KJVR) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: The Spirit of Truth = the comforter and is the HOLY SPIRIT. The Holy Spirit is THE WORD OF GOD. (Ephesians 5:9 KJVR) (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) (John 17:17 KJVR) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJVR) For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God (when we recieved the HOLY SPIRIT) which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. The Word of God = the Holy Spirit = the spirit given to Christ = the comfortor who came = The Holy Spirit IN US = Christ in US That is exactly how we Love one another. (1 Peter 1:22 KJVR) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: (1 John 4:6 KJVR) We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Hope this has helped. Always in love, Steve Crook |
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| Charles963 | Nov 2 2006, 09:57 PM Post #3 |
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Thanks Steve for taking the time to reply so thoroughly, yes that helps very much. I will consider what you said. I would be very interested to read the experiences of other forum members as well. It is wonderful to be able to connect with others who understand, we are so few. Charles |
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| ertsky | Nov 3 2006, 03:05 AM Post #4 |
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not really, but my wife had this hilarious experience where she tried to tell a babylonian friend about the word aion and the friend turned bright red recoiling in horror "that's heresy!!" my wife was amazed that the word aion produced such a powerful reaction LOL! truly the axe was laid to the root of the tree and it was so funny because as this was happening there were drug police creeping up the street with axes to do a drug bust (oh the irony) i had one friend tell me i was decieved and another reject me (the doctrine of Christ) but it was what i expected and God has been very kind to me so that i am encouraged in all this.
yes i had thought that as well and regarding the question "what are we to be doing" i thought of these verses Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. f |
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| Charles963 | Nov 3 2006, 05:38 AM Post #5 |
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This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. I have never noticed that before! Thanks for that Frank. God's Word never ceases to amaze. Charles |
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| Steven Crook | Nov 3 2006, 07:58 AM Post #6 |
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These are a group of swell verses. Once I read that, it made me think how true it is that it is a work because if we truly overcome, then it will be an all at war to make it to the end, and STILL believe in the Lord as we did when we first believed. God Bless and thanks for the response Frank |
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| ertsky | Nov 3 2006, 09:47 PM Post #7 |
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yes that's it! , the question is wrong (i mean that in the nicest possible way) the question is not "what are we to be doing?" that's the wrong question the better question is "what is He doing?" or "what is He doing in me?" "am i waiting in jerusalem until i be endued with power from on high?" yes only "He in me doing the works" the works follow the faith (Christ in me) they are the fruit of faith (Christ in me) Christ works in me, speaks in me, hopes all things endures all things it's impossible to walk in the spirit and not produce great fruit Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. of course only He in me is of any effect whatsoever yes wait in jerusalem and you will see in His time Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. yes it's no longer i who lives but Christ lives in me GLORY! my body is the temple of the spirit of Christ and He is with me because Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. and Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. yes yes yes Christ is all Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord is loving He is disciplining, Yet He is scourging every son to whom He is assenting." blessed is he who God enables to endure Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple. work calls i'll be back f |
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| Wesco_5 | Nov 4 2006, 08:49 AM Post #8 |
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Deeply encouraged... Thank you all for your posts (by His grace we shall all have an intimate knowledge of what it means apart from me you can do nothing) ![]() Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing. The process of being shown that we have no power to endure leads us directly to the source of Love, mercy and All power! JESUST CHRIST! (truly a work of God) You are faithful Father!!! and worthy of all Praise!!!! Amen! Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.... (life/power to endure/eyes to see/ ears to hear....) Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Christ be formed in us... Wez
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| ertsky | Nov 4 2006, 04:59 PM Post #9 |
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what a fantastic thought to wake up to, mega blessing. this is how the apostle Paul could keep up that unbelievable experience as he served the Lord Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. there it is! what we are to be doing, whatever He is pleased to work in us. according to His working, Christ is all. Psa 84:5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Psa 84:6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. Psa 84:7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God. Psa 84:12 Jehovah of Hosts! O the happiness of a man trusting in Thee. f |
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| joyful1 | Nov 12 2006, 09:08 AM Post #10 |
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Luke 10:38 (KJV) "Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. 39And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus’ feet, and heard his word. 40But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. 41And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: 42But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. " joyful 1
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| Timothy Vaughan | Nov 26 2006, 01:19 PM Post #11 |
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Dear charles & Forum, I agree to what has been said by all .Yet thier is the sum of thy word?I cannot say yet that I understand all things. But am growing up from a child to a man. If christ is in us? 2cor 13:5/ 1 cor 11:28 We should bear fruit? gal 5:13-26 Notice it says in Gal 5:26? Let us not be desirious of VAIN glory, PROVOKING/ex23:20-21 one another, ENYING one another. Also see: 1 peter 2:1/ ez 31:9/ps106:16/ eccl 4:4 Remember cain envied abel (killed him)/ Joesphs brothers ENVIED/acts 7:9 him because of the (coat of authority from his FATHER). KORAH envied moses. The pharisees ENVIED THE CHRIST? mt 27:18/mk 15:10 Why?Why? Why?They would LOSE THIER POSITION IN LIFE. jn 11:47-48 Rather than LOSE thier life (man of sin/beast in us) They want to save thier (man of sin) life. WE DIE HARD ! THIS IS US! This Last stage in the play in life BEFORE we BOW & give up our life! ( This PHARISEE of pharisees)phil 3:4-8 This SAUL OF TARSUS God/king/roms 13:1 actually Promotes the (MAN of SIN)/Ha'man/ in his GREAT WISDOM! Eshter 3:1-2 But mordecai / christ /elect resists him And WILL NOT BOW THE KNEE! He (GOD)does this to TEST our faith! We MUST resist authority(man of sin) & OBEY GOD!acts 4 & 5:14-33 Why do we fail & others fail?(envy)To bow the knee to GOD's will?james 4:1-12/ Because they did NOT want to ABASE themselves! (man of sin) but OPPOSE &lift themselves ABOVE the WORD/christ of GOD.2 thess 2:4 because they LOVED the WAGES of SIN= DEATH BECAUSE HE DOES NOT LOVE HIS BROTHER MORE THAN HIMSELF & GOD MORE THAN BOTH! Yet thier are 2 sides on every coin? Now back to the above Paul speaks of not provoking one another?Gal 5:26? DID PAUL PROVOKE ANYONE? With this COAT of AUTHORITY? Yet in the same breath he would say this about provoking one ANOTHER? ACTS 9:22 ? roms 10:19? due 32:21 ? roms 11:11-14 How was judah moved by joesph? This is HOW I WAS CALLED? heb 10:24 Because I (man of sin) caused GREAT PROVACATION to my GOD! And HARDEN my HEART.This was the will of GOD. Even Moses Did not enter the land because he failed to SANTIFY his HOLY NAME. This is me! Due 34:1-8 This is perhaps the End of ADAR2 (13th moon) after the mourning for 30 days=( end of adar moon/he died on adar 1 & was born On ADAR 1) Hebrews 3:7-19 Now my heart is softed by him ONLY. ez 37 For i fell in the wilderness of SIN when my bones were dried up. THAT he HAD dried in his GREAT WISDOM in the Vally of DRY BONES Due 34:6! But Micheal (that BEGINNING ELECT ANGEL/christ& the election) has disputed over those dry BONES with the devil & he has been REBUKE! jude 9. For my bones (are his bones/1 cor 12;12/ep 5;30/gen 2;23 are keeped in his LOVING care. he has now GIVEN me a heart of FLESH INSTEAD OF STONE. Ez 36:21--38 As in the provacation Because of the blaspheme of his HOLY NAME rev 17;1-18 He has done these things So he HAS PROVED(to exploits) ME BY YOU/Keep up the GOOD WORKS (his works) Hebs 10:24 THE ZEAL/jn2:12/ isa 9;7 OF THE LORD /SHALL PERFORM EXPLOITS/dan 11;32 FOR IT WILL CONSUME US IN FIRE! heb 12:18-29 And burn us up like the( wood/jer 5:14 offering) gather by the gentiles/ Neh 13:31 Timothy |
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