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The Revelation Of Jesus Christ - Ch 1
Topic Started: Jan 15 2007, 12:48 AM (637 Views)
Matti
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Hi
Am really desiring to understand what I am reading and would really appreciate some help. Mike writes 'We are 'in the Spirit' ..... when we are abiding in the doctrine of Jesus christ, 'on the Lord's day'. (Ch 1, prt B, pge 6).

Is he saying that we are 'in the Spirit' when we immerse ourselves in the words of Christ, allowing those words to judge us, and allowing more of our carnality to die?

And is the 'day of the Lord' every day that we live for him and not for ourselves, when we allow the Spirit of God to rule in our lives and not our flesh?

Some spiritual insight would be really appreciated, I so ache to be where God wants me to be in my walk with Him. Am I understanding this correctly?

God bless you

Thank you

M.
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i don't even know if this is relevant Matti but i'll share it anyway :)

today it dawned on me that only Jesus, the Comforter, can turn the water into wine just as He did in type so long ago

save the best till last

take the letter and break it open revealing the spirit within, take the bread and break it imparting the life giving sustenance that He is to those going on to maturity and eventually to everyone in their own time.

so it's not of he that wills or he that runs but of God who shows mercy.

if He is for us who can be against us, we walk by faith not by sight, and we inherit if that is His will and He brings us presently.

in the mean time we have need of endurance and your post gives every indication that you are set to endure.

everytime i say "that's it God, you've really gone and done it now, i'm not following you anymore" then the Comforter turns a little more water into wine and breaks a little more bread and i find i cannot resist though at that point i am already defeated anyway.

i guess what i am trying to say is that it is the spirit (Christ in us) that makes alive from the dead, the flesh (we ourselves) profit nothing.

not one single thing

i didn't want to be rambling on but please be assured that when He is good and ready He will turn that water (word) into wine (alive spiritual doctrine, that is, He Himself)

look at this verse

Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

and this

Luk 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

i ask you, how much does a disciple know at times about what the Lord is doing?

i have declared on many occasions "it's over, case closed, finito Lord!" only to find He is saying right back at me "now we're getting somewhere, training will continue"

well i'm trying to be an encouragement

f

PS:

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

from one earthen vessel to another Matti, here's hoping bro!

PPS:

1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

For all things are yours;)
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Timothy Vaughan
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Greeting Matti,

The path of his rightousness is a narrow one,wickedness is behind us, don't look back

(remember Lot's wife ) Only hope (in thy word) is before us. By it we are being saved.

It is the first building block of faith in the (unseen) of the 1 true cornerstone which is set
by the masterbuilder (only).

But every living stone must (be chiped away at /made true & smooth/by a harder stone) and set by the plumbline (justified/ made TRUE & rightous).This line is in the lord's hand .

I have no other master.But there are helpers of our joy.That christ uses( tools/instruments of his rightousness/witnesses in his loving hands) to help him in all his ways.

So that we will learn to hate every FALSE way.

Every thing we have been at before is in ruins /because (we ) tried to Work.Without true knowledge ,understanding,& wisdom.

We were (still can be) working with the wrong ,tools, stones,without a plumbline on the
at the wrong time .And without our master/Trying to DO it on our OWN!

Sure we built a carnal House we thought would endure? But when the WIND & flood of his true doctrine CAME.That house FELL FLAT and can never rise again And GREAT was it's FALL.

With the wrong teachers, wrong methods of building, wrong building materials & WITHOUT a master ? How could it stand in HIS Holy presence?

God let us do this(this i his will) because of our own unbelief in him .To SHOW us we Must TRUST him ONLY and LEAN not to our own wisdom,understanding ,knowledge & works for they are
empty & vain/

King (Saul) and the blasphemer SAUL of tarsus is this pattern who did it my WAY.Paul was used as a masterbuilder to do it HIS(christs) way.BEcause he(christ )is the WAY the TRUTH & THE LIFE.

Sure we can look back (if we do we are unfit) at those other nations & people & kindreds on
How they ( not Christ) served thier gods (we all gods). But we must LOOK TO THE AUTHOR & FINISHER OF THIS BOOK OF LIFE/CHRIST.

SURE We will stumble & fall as (we work)1 jn 2;1-3 ( because of the sinful nature in us). There will be those who MOCK us (GOD is not mocked though).

Even though we FALL 7 times (completly)Prov 24:16/ (O forgive me lord/save me)Even 70 times 7/ Thier is NO END TO HIS MERCY

He picks us up with his loving hands (which no man can pluck us out).And we GET BACK UP/NO matter what the cost (count the cost) is to our vainity

(it is this very thing that is being destroyed/that we want to hang on to?)

But a TRUE FERVENT rightous man (christ in us/man of GOD) KEEPS US FROM FALLING/
From our most HOLY FAITH. But to BUILD IT to the only 1 WISE TRUE GOD.jude 20-25

I am as 1 that encourages the builders.Telling them to have a weapon on there side as they build.

To close thier ears to the mockers, open thier ears to thier master, be busy in this business,
Do it with JOY, loving thier fellow workers More than themselves.

( if a disagreement happens) FORGIVE,listen to the masterbuilder/CHRIST

Don't go to(run) back thier cieled ivory houses (tombs)with dead man's bones.That we have built.

.Fear the king.(and ALL his commandments/ ezra 6:1-12
Love the brotherhood.

Be instant in season out of season. Work in the RAIN,cold,heat & wind and every element in
Joy wisdom & love for all men.

For i have seen the former house .Hag 2:3-9

IT IS (HIGH)TIME TO BUILD THE LORD"S HOUSE! Read haggai 1& 2 ( keep away from dead bodys/churches/ourselves/our rightouness) haggi 2:11-19 /lev 10:10/num 19:11-16/rev 3:1

For we ARE the LIVING SIGNET! haggi 2:23 With the (seal) at its FOUNDATION.2 tim 2:19-21

Frank has given words of wisdom.It's up to our 1 TRUE GOD/not (our god/thoes) it blinds us 2 cor 4;4(ourself) Get rid of him.He is DESTROYED/BLINDED by the BRIGHTNESS of REVELATION OF THE SON OF GOD.This only comes by the father OF this CHRIST.ep 1:3

Matti you are doing fine.he has shown you MUCH! REJOICE ! keep building.

Timothy
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Matti
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Thank you for your response Ertsky, I read your reply right through and it was all helpful, but I was particularly 'caught' by this:

'Take the letter and break it open revealing the spirit within, take the bread and break it imparting the life giving sustenance that He is to those going on to maturity and eventually to everyone in their own time.'

I really need to trust that when I take the bread, when I study, that His Spirit is imparted to me and that I am nourished and I am growing.

As you so rightly say its all up to Him, there's nothing I can do in the flesh to make myself more mature or less carnal except to learn to be utterly dependant on Him, and to trust Him utterly to complete what He has started.

'He sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters.' All Him! What a relief!

Thanks a mill again for responding, you share some really helpful things - I do read everything even though I don't often write.

And yes, your replies both to me and others are always very encouraging.

God Bless

Matti
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online fellowship!!! fantastic! bless you heaps Matti.

i'm thinking the 12 apostles are a type of us

in me there is thomas the doubter, peter the impetuous, sons of thunder, john the beloved and yes judas the betrayer (man of sin, wicked one)

Mat 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
Mat 26:21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

yes i see judas in me (the man of sin) going into perdition Lord willing (and i believe He is willing!)

but i also see thomas the doubter very much

and peter all the time (every day)

and i see john in there as well, thank God !! :)

i see all of the twelve in me but one of them, judas, is doomed and i see also paul in there (in type)

so in us the twelve!

what is God up to? :)

i can hardly wait to see!!

bless everyone heaps

Mat 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is perfect.

amen?

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AMEN!!
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'We are 'in the Spirit' ..... when we are abiding in the doctrine of Jesus christ


yes that makes sense

the Lord is the Word (John 1) the Lord is that Spirit (2Cor 3:17)

so it is not possible to abide in the doctrine of Christ but by the spirit of God (the Comforter, Christ in us the hope of glory)

the true doctrine of Christ is He Himself in us and is in accord with godliness, liberty, obedience, love power and a sound mind, faith that overcomes, holiness, in short, Christ Himself. (He does always those things that please His Father)

if we are believing for example that God loves His enemies but think we are at liberty to hate ours then we are in for some trials of the fiery variety (assuming that God is merciful and is working on us at this time)

or if we think that we did any part of it all by something of ourselves then a nebuchadnezzar experience will change our thinking (Dan 4:25)

but if we walk by this rule

Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

new creature

but this process this walk this progression from glory to glory, is, as we all know, no small or easy thing but associated with earthquakes, fiery trials, comfort, suffering, death resurrection, so very much more than can be easily put into words but is understood a little more each day by those who endure as seeing the invisible (by His mercy)

also a wholeness, where we are freely enjoying the things given.

but these verses address the aspect that all is not instant in experience

1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Psa 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

with HIS hand praise God!!

and i cannot escape this saying today

Mat 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is perfect.

if anyone else said it we could laugh, but look Who is saying it!!!

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Luk 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.

Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

verse 24 FOR US ALSO!

verse 21 fully persuaded, yes our lives are a process of persuasion that what He has promised He will perform!! if i am not fully persuaded yet i soon will be (should the Lord show mercy!)

better stop typing now, so much to look forward to for everyone, especially those who He is revealing His Son in now.

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked (judas in us) shall fall into mischief.

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and if we should "decide" to go "fishing" instead because it's all gone terribly wrong???

Joh 21:3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
Joh 21:4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

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:D it's great to be able to let all these thoughts out and share some of what God is leading me in.

especially this verse

Mat 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is perfect.

my life has become a process of persuasion that what He has promised, He is able also to perform.

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Matti
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You have no idea....this is just what I needed to hear! :) Thank you sooo much for sharing some of the things that God's revealing to you.

'But every living stone must (be chiped away at /made true & smooth/by a harder stone) and set by the plumbline (justified/ made TRUE & rightous).This line is in the lord's hand .'

Thank you Timothy, I needed to be reminded, it is a process AND the line is in the Lord's hand.

'in me there is thomas the doubter, peter the impetuous, sons of thunder, john the beloved and yes judas the betrayer (man of sin, wicked one)'

and me....

a real mix of Mary & Martha, Mary sitting at the feet of Jesus, hanging on His every word, and then Martha, distracted by everything around her, too busy to stop and be still.

'Mat 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is perfect.'

That has to be the hardest truth to keep hanging on to and yet at the same time the most encouraging. Hard, because we all know its totally impossible left on our own, and encouraging because its the most amazing reality that will happen.

'my life has become a process of persuasion that what He has promised, He is able also to perform.'

I love this sentence, its totally grabbed me, I'm going to write it on a card and keep it in my pocket! I can't explain why, it completely sums up where I am right now, I am persuaded....and yet that persuasion needs a little top up every day...and I have to accept that it is a process, but thats OK, its God working in me.

Bless you both, if I could I'd give you both a big hug!!

Mary (Matti)
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Frank ,

My God & your God your Lord & my Lord certainly has his eye on his apple. due 32:10/ps 17:8

As long as we abide in (his) LAW ( the law of the spirit of LIFE in CHRIST) prov 7:2-3/rom 8:2

If indeed/ we(deciples) have tasted that the LORD/Apple is gracious.

For he tasted Death for EVERY MAN - kind .It's fruit/gal 5;22-26 is precious from the TREE of LIFE.


Note; prov 25:11==


These WORDS/jn 1:1 (of yours) are of Jesus Our Lord that is, was, and will be ( FITLY Spoken/heb 12:24-26/ 1 tim 4:1-2/ acts 13:2/ 1 peter 1:21/ mt 10 ;20,27/ mt 13:13/lk 12:10/lk 6:26jn 3:11/ jn 4;26/ jn 16:13/jn 16:25/jn 17:13/rev2:24

are APPLES OF GOLD (tried in the FIRE/rev 3:18) IN PITURES OF SILVER ( PURE words tried in a furnace PURIFIED in the IRON furnace SODOM /eygpt/babylon 7 times/HEATED ps 12:6/prov 10:20/Gen 19:28/ jer 11;4/dan 3;19/ )Note: dan 4:16

By the unpure TOUNGE of guile of man of sin/beast.dan 3;15-26/ AS this BEAST SPEAKS after 12 moons/ (the LAW OF MOSES/not the LAW OF THE SPIRIT)dan 4:29-33 face of? Ox / eagle/driven from men? wheres the lion? verse 33

He comes later Rev 13:11--15 That old serpent (FORKED TOUNGE/Doubletouged 1 tim 3;8)/dragon/LEVIATHAN(BREATHS FIRE FROM HEAVEN/ rev 9:17-19/BOTTEMLESS PIT (IS) THE MOUTH?gate of SIN/james 3/

Thats what man of SIN (CANNOT TAME/ONLY GOD CAN) FALSE PROPHITS /LION=LYING TOUNGE/wonders/1 peter 5:8/ MOUTH OF THE LYING TOUNGE? DELIVERED FROM WHAT?Mouth of the LYING/lion TOUNGE! 2 tim 4:16-17

This man of sin/beast repents after being passed over (there are 7 great passovers in the old covenant) 7 times by FIRE? AND GLORIFIES GOD ONLY! dan 4:34-37/1 cor 1:31/jer9;23-24

God is a fisherman OF MEN? job 41:1-7 So (I AM/ex 3;14) ALSO Mt 4:18-19 I have left (MY) nets of deception.

I draw/drag/jn 6;44 men(GREAT FISH) out the sea with fishhooks amos 4;1-2/ I lured them with the WORM/job 24;20/ps 22:6/Isa 41:14/JONAH 4:7

And in this GREAT FISH you will fine my son/jonah 2;1-10 A (MONEY/1 tim 6:10)/attonement tax /ex 30:11-16 worth 1 SHEKEL/mt 17;24-27 (IT HAS BEEN PAID ALREADY/PRICE/SIMON= means (Timid son of the dove)( ?ACTS 8:9-24 PETER acts 8:20) BY HIS MOUTH/word of GOD where did(peter/acts 8:20) he find the money?

OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE GREAT FISH!WE ARE SAVED SPIT/vomited OUT(OF HIS MOUTH) UNTO DRY LAND! rev 3:16/jonah2/Acts 2: 25-31

It was not needed for the CHILDREN/just the strangers(jews in the flesh still)/FOR we(gentiles) are FREE at last/FREE AT last / FREE AT LAST /3 times over AMEN

ELIHU SPEAKS? Job 33:14-18 Or not? please correct me lord? jer 10:23-24/jer30:11/ jer 46:28?

AMEN

Timothy

P.s Frank, your posts do STIR my spirit/coals upon the altar of FIRE! 2 tim 1:6/ex 6:12-13

Bless you Frank/ This THANK (offering) unto YOU LORD for your children/my brothers & sisters always/ 1 jn 3:14 Let it be shared by all
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