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Once We Die Is Their Temperarily No Afterlife?; Its about our spirits Qs* on IWaWB*
Topic Started: May 16 2007, 05:46 PM (836 Views)
Fira
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Basically once we die until the ressurection their is no afterlife?

I will be praying in agreement to Matthew 18: 19 and 20 please do the same, thank you.

I am Jason from UTAH, North USA.

I am new and enjoying my stay here is their a "General Chat" place here if no I would suggest one please, thank you if yes or no or other or others.
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Hi Jason

you may find that the beloved membership here (outstanding works in progress) are not given to much posting, days may pass with not a single post. (no condemnation here) indeed i find i also am posting less.

in answer to your question

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is their a "General Chat" place


i think that may be the "General Discussion" section

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Basically once we die until the ressurection their is no afterlife?


a few scriptures come to mind

Psa 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
Psa 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
Psa 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
Psa 88:13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Psa 115:18 But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD.

and last but not least

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

and may the Lord grant us understanding in all things

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personally i have been thinking on how the Lord carried a cross of wood through the streets of jerusalem

and was crucified on that cross of wood which in scriptures is also called a tree.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

a tree

Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mar 8:25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

so i'm feeling that the Lord is trying to hint at something here and as usual i am a little slow on the uptake :)

anyway in His light we shall see light

and i hope to be changed

it's a beautiful day here and i couldn't be in better company

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Steven Crook

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Great post as usual Frank.

Two of the verses that really hit home for me were:

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

From what the Lord allows me to see, it completely floors me that the stripes themselves are what BRING the healing.

As he is, so are we.

It is by OUR stripes that others are healed. It is by OUR sufferings that others are brought into the knowledge of the truth.

Yet, it is ALL of the Lord because we can DO NOTHING without Christ who can not even receive 1 stripe without the Father causing it to happen.

I truly believe one of the spiritual significants of "men as trees" is that we too are that "cross" that is accursed for all other men. We simply are not here for ourselves. We are to pick up our cross, our "walk" with Christ, and set aside the burden to Christ...daily.

He that hangs on a tree is accursed, and "cross"... the tree... IS US, Lord Willing. The Elect are the means by which "the cross" is completed. Amazing!

That may not be very clear for anyone, but that Lord knows what I mean. :)

YBIC
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Fira
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Thank you God for helping me through them and thank you for your guys help.

So basically what these versus say about death is when someone dies they have to wait for the ressurection for an afterlife meaning at death their is no afterlife until the ressurection or am I misunderstanding something/somethings?
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So basically what these versus say about death is when someone dies they have to wait for the ressurection for an afterlife meaning at death their is no afterlife until the ressurection or am I misunderstanding something/somethings?


Hi again Jason

some verses spring READILY to mind

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

PRAISE GOD!!!

what a mover what a shaker

Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

yes, is was and will be, yes and amen, first and last, in Him

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

thanks Jason as i thought on your post and listened for a response

this happened

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

PRAISE GOD!!!

and thanks Jason

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Hi Steve

great post bro!

3Jn 1:2 My dear friend, I pray that you may in all respects prosper and enjoy good health, just as your soul already prospers.

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So basically what these versus say about death is when someone dies they have to wait for the ressurection for an afterlife meaning at death their is no afterlife until the ressurection or am I misunderstanding something/somethings?


It looks like you have it Jason.

Consider this question; What use is there for a ressurection, if we're not really dead?


1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

Ecc 9:4 But to him who is joined unto all the living there is confidence, for to a living dog it is better than to the dead lion.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they die, and the dead know not anything, and there is no more to them a reward, for their remembrance hath been forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Their love also, their hatred also, their envy also, hath already perished, and they have no more a portion to the age in all that hath been done under the sun.

Andrew
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This is a very interesting subject, and for many right at the heart of much of what they believe.
I think the scriptures are pretty clear that for a time we will all "sleep", and then be raised in our turn depending on where God has each and every one of us, and to what he has appointed us. This being the case, and from all the scriptures that Frank has posted here God seems to be telling us that our time "asleep" will be an experience that we will not be concious of. Once we pass from this physical life our next concious experience will be either in the presence of Christ resurrected as his elect, or in the presence of Christ and his saints resurrected for judgement in the lake of fire.
Given all the scriptures there are concerning this matter, its just astounding that the Church believes the opposite. The Church I was with used just one scripture to preach the instant judgement at the point of physical death, and the imortal soul, which was Luke 23:43. I learned some time ago from Ray Smith that when the punctuation in this scripture is placed correctly, it reads totally differently.
If Luke 23:43 is correctly punctuated, and Christ ascended to his Father in Heaven as the Church teaches, KJV 23:43 And Jesus said to him, Verily I say to thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. , then this scripture is in direct contradiction to John 20:17 KJV John 20:17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and tomy God, and your God.
At first its so easy to think and say "wow, I see something they don't." Even though the spirit starts to work in us, the beast is not completely out for some time, and can at any time just take over the throne again. Thats how weak my/our flesh is. I quickly learned to just thank God every single day, all day. If I see just one sentence a day, just one scripture as I didn't see it before, I humbley thank God for giving me that precious gift, no matter how small.


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