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| Nebuchadnezzar's Image; another Jesus | |
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| lrolson | Dec 7 2007, 07:01 PM Post #1 |
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Wanted to share something I have been thinking about, and to get some feedback. Daniel chapter 3 We are king Nebuchadnezzar when we make this image, (another Jesus). The music is played (another gospel). And any who do not bow down to this image when we play the music (preach another gospel) will be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace (hell fire). Rick |
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| joyful1 | Dec 21 2007, 07:07 PM Post #2 |
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You know, Rick, I really couldn't see "us" as king Nebuchadnezzar when I first read your post yesterday....then today, I did think about the image in the king's dream: the head of Gold is the king....but in us the head is Christ of course....and He is the head of the church....and down we go with all the precious and base metals that Mike is talking about in his series right now....then down to the toes....a rock comes and smashes those toes of iron and clay and the image falls.....and so will we....so will the church...an ongoing process of weeding or winnowing...Now, as the king himself...I am trying to see what you mean....but its just beyond me....can you explain more fully? Joyce
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| ertsky | Dec 28 2007, 11:30 AM Post #3 |
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Hi Rick i remember this from emails a short while back, a blessing this time when i read it i straight away was thinking about the bowing of the knee part where He says Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. a straightforward link but very thrilling to think of His strength being made perfect in our weakness His conception in our body of sin and death like here Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. just very encouraging to me at present to think on ################################### this verse is fascinating Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. it speaks to me of the baptism of fire Mar 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: 1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. #################################### concerning the image and another gospel i can see a correlation Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. i see in Dan 3 it says the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up. which reminds me of Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. ###################################### also i am getting from Dan 3 a strong sense of God working all things Dan 3:22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. i love that verse i love the way they go into the fire bound but in the fire they are loosed, always quickens my pulse ####################################### always each verse is interpreted in other verses for example this verse Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them. upon whose bodies the fire had no power is here Isa 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. nor was an hair of their head singed reminds me of Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. ###################################### also for some reason nebuchadnezzar here in Dan 3 reminds me of the kosmokrater, a greek word in this verse Eph 6:12 because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places; world-rulers there is kosmokraters (G2888) ####################################### overall also i am thinking on this verse 1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: ###################################### again i notice the image is mannish Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. 60x6 ##################################### f |
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| lrolson | Dec 28 2007, 07:35 PM Post #4 |
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Joyce The image I am talking about is found in Daniel chapter 3. It is an image of gold. This I beleive is a different image than the one in Daniel chapter 2, which is the one your thinking about. We all have to see ourselves as every character in the bible. So I see myself as king Nebuchadnezzar that makes an image of gold that when the music is played, anyone that does not bow down to this image is cast into the fiery furnace. I see in this 2Cor. 11. We all make an image of gold (another jesus). 2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. This (another jesus) is what me, Nebuchadnezzar, makes of gold. The music that is played is (me) with another gospel. Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a (new song) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. Only the 144,000 are able to learn this new song, (true gospel). The elect are the 144,000. Only Gods elect which come out of the church. Gold has both a positive and a negative. This image of gold would be a negative application. The fiery furnace is the hell fire doctrine. We all have sung that song, I know I have. I have been very much a part of the Babylon system that teaches that if you do not accept this (other jesus that does everything for you so you don't have to) you will burn in hell forever. Cast into Nebuchadnezzers furnace of fire. Jesus is the first and the last. He lives these negative things through us, (the first Adam). We live the positive through Him in us, (the second Adam). So we and Him both live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Nebuchadnezzar is just another part of the revalation of Jesus Christ. I hope I have made myself more clear. Rick |
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| ertsky | Dec 30 2007, 10:29 PM Post #5 |
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me too Rick, me too and what a woeful melody it is, looking back i marvel we any of us could even pick up that tune, no doubt the god of this world had blinded our minds. but as you so rightly say, we did pick it up and run with it, and i suppose in a way thank God we did, because it was our undoing in many ways. i am more excited than ever about the prospect of being formed again into the second image Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. f |
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| joyful1 | Jan 22 2008, 11:42 AM Post #6 |
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oh silly me! Rick! I got the WRONG IMAGE!! And SORRY for taking so long to get back to you on this....I don't know HOW I missed it going through my posts!at any rate...yes, I do see your point....when we don't have others bow down to our version of the gospel, we condemn them to the firery furnace! Been there, done that! Don't want to do it ever again! Also, Rick.... I like what you said; "Only the 144,000 are able to learn this new song, (true gospel). The elect are the 144,000. Only Gods elect which come out of the church." comparing the true gospel to a New Song! Can you think of any other verses along the same lines?Joyce |
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| lrolson | Jan 31 2008, 08:23 PM Post #7 |
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Joyce You asked about the song the 144,00 learn. 1Ch 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets. David is a type of the elect. He plays music. The new song. 1Ch 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps. There are 7 notes of music. Music also has timing. Chords are played using 1-3-5 of any scale. There are 12 scales. The church can not learn the song. Only the 144,00 can learn the new song. The cymbal is a musical instrument that is used for timing. The cymbal is mentioned in the above verse ICh 15:28. The churches doctrines are in dischord. And their timing is off. The music that they play (spiritualy) is not harmonizing misic but just awful noise. Theit timing is off also. The harmonizing chords are true doctrines that are in harmony with each doctrine. For example. The church teaches that when you die you go to heaven. But at the same time they teach a resurrection. That is discord. Also the church says that judgement day is off in the future. Their timing is off. The 144,00 know the true harmonizing doctrines and have the is was and will be timing right. It is only the 144,00 that can learn this new song because God has revealed the truth to them. David was a type of the elect that played music. Rick |
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| joyful1 | Feb 25 2008, 02:37 PM Post #8 |
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wow Rick! this is soooo good! thank you! You don't KNOW what you've done! this has started a whole new Bible Study for me!! Joyce
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| lrolson | Feb 26 2008, 06:35 AM Post #9 |
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Joyce You are so very welcome! Rick |
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You know, Rick, I really couldn't see "us" as king Nebuchadnezzar when I first read your post yesterday....then today, I did think about the image in the king's dream: the head of Gold is the king....but in us the head is Christ of course....and He is the head of the church....and down we go with all the precious and base metals that Mike is talking about in his series right now....then down to the toes....a rock comes and smashes those toes of iron and clay and the image falls.....and so will we....so will the church...an ongoing process of weeding or winnowing...
oh silly me! Rick! I got the WRONG IMAGE!! And SORRY for taking so long to get back to you on this....I don't know HOW I missed it going through my posts!

7:47 PM Jul 10