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| Prophesying; Understanding the gift of prophesying | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 5 2008, 11:12 AM (544 Views) | |
| jodyedwards | Mar 5 2008, 11:12 AM Post #1 |
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This is my first post in this forum. I have been a member for sometime now but I have never been lead to post anything before until now. The Lord opened mine and my wife's eyes to begin learning His Truth in October 2005. We left the church we had been attending for the past two years that same month and have not had any face to face fellowship with anyone who has been given "eyes that see" since that time. We are planning on attending the conference in Dallas near the end of May and hope to meet/fellowship with our brothers and sisters in Christ who are also attending. The Lord has been very meriful to us during the past two years and has taught us much. But of course, we have much, much more to learn and we understand that our learning and maturing is a life long process. We have studied from many websites since being called out and we have found that Ray Smith's and Mike Vinson's websites are the ones that we can rely on to clearly teach the Lord's Truth. My wife and I both have great admiration for the work that the Lord has them doing and we have been greatly blessed from the articles they have written. Now for the pupose of this post. My wife has the gift of prophesy and on occassion during her prayer time, she receives "words" (that is what I call them) from the Lord. She has had this gift now for about four years. I "test the spirit" with scripture and have yet to find any contradictions. At times, the "word" she receives will fortell an outcome to a certain matter and it has always come to pass as the "word" she received stated. I have talked to Mike concerning her gift and he is concerned that her gift is a seducing spirit. And I have shared his concerned. But I have found nothing in the "words" of what she receives that is not completely in line with scripture. What convinces me even more is that at times the "word" she receives contains a scriptural truth that she and I (at that time) where not yet been given to understand from scripture. My question is: Does anyone have any first hand experience in matters like this or insights from scripture that can help me to either 1). remove my doubts that her gift is scriptural and from the Lord or 2). that it is unscriptural and she needs to reject it. As I said above, we completely agree with the doctrines that Mike and Ray teach except for my wife's prophesing. We also believe that scripture is the full word of God and is complete. My wife's prophesing from what I can tell, does not give new teachings nor does it contradict the written Word. I would appreciate any help in this matter that anyone can give. Thank you, Jody Edwards |
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| Andrew | Mar 7 2008, 10:01 PM Post #2 |
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Hello Jody and welcome. I would like to present you with some scriptures for you to consider. This is in no way meant to sound judgemental and I certainly have no dominion over your faith, but I do want to be a helper of your joy.2Co 1:24 Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. |
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| Timothy Vaughan | Mar 8 2008, 03:21 PM Post #3 |
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Greetings jodyedwards, I have heard of this in more than one occasion. Now what is the solution? ONLY GOD'S WORD! Believe it or not. The bible has alot to say about things Such as this? The ANSWER from the TONGUE is from the LORD? prov 16;1 Any answer? DEATH & LIFE are IN the POWER of the TONGUE? And they that LOVE it shall EAT the (FRUIT) of it! prov 18:21 Who CREATED death & LIFE,GOOD & EVIL? Who CREATED the TOUNGE? There is NO POWER but of GOD! roms 13:1 A WHOLESOME TOUNGE is a (TREE) of life. KEEP thy TOUNGE from SPEAKING EVIL ?? GUARD my mouth? It is a WORLD of LAWLESSNESS?? NO MAN (ONLY GOD) can tame the TOUNGE. With men (mankind) this IS impossible! BUT ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD! BE not RASH with thy Mouth, and LET not THINE heart be HASTY to UTTER any thing before GOD: For GOD is in heaven (where Is heaven?), and THOU are UPON the EARTH; THERE fore LET thy WORDS be FEW Ecc 5:2 Sing Praises to the LORD! For HIS WORD CANNOT BE BROKEN! How many times ?Have I been a FALSE prophet?Korah,Balim,simon magus? NEVER? I lay my HAND upon my MOUTH? Have i kept my WORD? Has my ya Been Ya? And my nay a NAY? Now before we ridiual a woman too much? by OLD wives tales? To whom did my lord REVEAL himself (FIRST) AFTER the resurrection?Jn 20:15-18 ? Where these IDLE tales? mk 16:10-14?? lk 24:6-11?? WHO was in the TRANSGRESSION? here?the man or the woman? YET this is NOT the SUM of thy WORD? All thy MALES shall PRESENT thyself.Due 16:16 Where are the females here?These 7 Churches (women in asia?)7 candle sticks? they are NOT in the holy of HOLIES! Only the ark is there! outside of the GATE/Vail?still attending the lamps?That are GOING OUT. God will put out the CANDLE of the wicked. Because its LIGHT is DARKNESS! Who is AFRAID of a WOMAN? (jezebel/babylon?) 1 kings 19:1-4 Are you and I (TImothy VAUGHAN) LIKE Elijah? james 5;17? Who Teaches children timothy? 1 ti 2:11-12? 1 tim 5:14-15? Prov 9:1 WISDOM (CHRIST) hath builded (HER HOUSE) she hath (HEWN/from stone the prophets) out her 7 pillars! SHE hath KILLED (her) (7BEASTS); She HATH minged (with the heathen) HER WINE ( GRAPES wrath of GOD) SHE HATH ALSO FURNISHED HER TABLE prov 9:1-2 Who taught (tutored/law of moses) you as a CHILD not a MAN OF GOD ?2 ti 1:5?? not mature yet?YET neccessary? A WOMAN She prophiesised unto you (exortation & COMFORT) the LAW of KINDNESS is from her lips! Yet She REBELLED (in me) became a harlot ! lam 1& 2 I am taught of GOD. he teaches by MEN. ive LEARNED my lessons as a child. Its high time I STAND UP LIKE A MAN? And APPEAR BEFORE HIM? job 38:3 yes we are BOTH male & female! BOND & FREE! 5 foolish women, 5 WISE (5 == grace) 10 virgins.. yes (We ALL[[10]] SLEEP & SLUMBERED) but 5 (thaught they had some)in me HAD no OIL Good & evil Awake O my soul unto RIGHTOUSNESS? You 10? those in the graves SHALL hear his VOICE? FIRST This is what happens when (the king of judah/And the priests & ALL isreal)== (inside of timothy vaughan) Listens to a woman???? (church)<<,Instead of her husband???>>>(christ) 2 kings 22 :1-20 (read all & all) Notice 2 kings 22:14--20 Notice ? All she said came to pass EXCEPT THIS? Verse 20 You shall be GATHERED in PEACE? this is what HAPPEN to Josiah (in me) BECAUSE i (trusted) her (in me)? was i gathered in PEACE?2 chron 35:20-27?? Whose MOUTH spoke this?2 chron 35:22????????????????????????? Did josiah BELIEVE a woman? NOT GOD from the MOUTH of an eygptian? SHOT in PAIN by his ARROW? gathered in peace? I lamet (jerimah)for josiah in me EVERY DAY! Did we not slay the phrophets? and his own DEAR SON? Ep 5:21-33 who is the HEAD of CHRIST the HEAD of a man the HEAD of a WOMAN (all 10 women?) STAND (rise) UP LIKE A MAN (timothy)? What ever is NOT of faith is sin. but it is GOD only that has DOMINION over our BELIEF (faith) He has sent a LYing SPIRIT to me MORE than once! Try the spirits Whether thy BE of GOD! Who dicides what is right.(christ in you decides the HOPE of GLORY) Yes Women ARE important! Very important!We cannot be BORN without them!. But the FATHER Imparts the seed of LIFE! him only! there is no woman without the man and no MAN without the WOMAN! They are 1 flesh But the Man is the HEAD. It is impossible for a man Or a woman to comprehend this correctly.BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE TO THEM THAT BELIEVE. I have no doubt that your wife does prophecy. i have no doubt You prophecy. I have no doubt i have prophecy. BUT LET EVERY (MAN) be SUBJECT TO THE POWERS THAT BE.For there is NO POWER BUT OF GOD. We ought to obey GOD rather than MEN. Let GOD be true Any EVERY man be a liar.THE 1 TRUE GOD is the HEAD of CHRIST/Christ is the HEAD of a MAN/Man is the HEAD of the WOMAN! Let us all LEARN of GOD let every thing be DONE decently & orderly.for anything else is CONFUSION (HER/babylon) Step up to the plate/sit before HIS feet/learn before HIS feet ONLY.1 peter 3;1-7 I say this in the deepest respect to you both. 1 flesh/ TOGETHER but (ONE) MUST BE THE HEAD timothy |
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| Steven Crook | Mar 11 2008, 11:32 PM Post #4 |
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Hello again all. It is a little after midnight here, so if this doesn't make much sense, then I will come back soon and add more comments, Lord willing. The one verse that jumps out at me concerning just what prophecying is, goes well with other verses in the same book and other books as well: Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. I am thinking spiritual eyes above.. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Now, just what is the testimony of Jesus Christ? Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. So, the testimony of Jesus Christ, which John had, IS the spirit of prophecy. If the testimony of Jesus Christ is not the topic of any prophecy, then it is from another spirit. If it is simply not the Word of God, Jesus Christ, then it is a evil spirit sent by God. Jdg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech: and again... 1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 1Sa 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Hope this helps some! Your brother in Christ |
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| Timothy Vaughan | Mar 12 2008, 11:03 AM Post #5 |
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Thanks Steve , (the christ in you,the testimony<IN YOU> the Spirit that moved upon the waters(babylon), THE SPIRIT OF Prophecy=(EXORTATION & COMFORT) I SAW Notice this? About the ISland (CALLED/dragged) (PATMOS) this is WHERE I JOHN ( the DECIPLE HE LOVED/ within me) RECIEVED the revelation of JESUS CHRIST! gal 1:13? For I NEITHER (RECIEVED) it of MAN (let every man be a liar & ONLY 1 TRUE GOD be true), NEITHER was I taught it,(by a man or woman) BUT BY the REVELATION (gen to rev/Word of GOD) of JESUS CHRIST. Where DID i received it?? (PATMOS) Definition:This is an rugged & (BARE/naked) ISLAND of GREAT HEIGHT (ABOVE THE SEA /babylon) OFF the coast of Asia minor ( away from the 7 churches/candlesticks) ==(the WOMAN?harlot in the WILDERNESS OF SIN) Neither did i receive it from a WOMAN? Yet Christ takes on the ROLE of a woman. So does the CHURCH. He also takes on the role of a MAN or husband HEAD/FATHER/CREATOR of the church (woman) But WHERE does ALL AUTHORITY END??? Who is THE christ's (womans)HEAD? The FATHER is GREATER than CHRIST. Where? did christ (joseph) RECEIVE his AUTHORITY? REVELATION???Jn 8:38/2 cor 4:4-6 From his FATHER. It just depends on (which) one we are CAUSED TO SERVE. BY the 1 TRUE GOD the ( FATHER/male in gender) jn 17:3/ gal 1:1/2 cor 1:3/ep 1:3 (GOD of all CREATION this includes JESUS CHRIST (the mother of us all/JERUSALEM ABOVE) & his christ/(son & daughters if you do well)) rev 3:14 BUT ALL & ALL ORIGINATED FROM THIS FATHER! ep 1:3 BUT? The 2 SHALL become 1 (husband & wife/THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY??(not seperated at all) ONLY IN THIS 1 TRUE GOD ONLY in the THRONE! Shall he be GREATER than christ & the christ! I (WILL) SHOW( MY GLORY) IN (PHAROH) From darkness to LIGHT! EVERY MAN in his OWN ORDER. GLORY to him (ONLY)THROUGH MY LORD JESUS CHRIST (ONLY) For without him I CAN DO NOTHING! Even JESUS CHRIST (LEARNED) OBEIDENCE TO GOD (the Only wise GOD)THROUGH SUFFERING! HE that hath an EAR?Isa 6:9-10/mt 4:12 HEAR YE O ISREAL (promised seed of the freewoman that CAME from a bondwoman)REV 2:7 IT IS WRITTEN?? 1 cor 4:6--17/1 cor 3:5-11/heb 1;1-4 BUT ONE THING IS NEEDFUL luke 10:42 Keep his FIRST commandment! For this is LOVE! Love fullfills the LAW! Yea we establish the LAW! Mk12:29 THE LORD OUR LORD IS 1 LORD (not seperated) Hear o ISREAL? YOUR brother, SON OF MY FATHER, 1 cor 4;17 LOVE , timothy P.s (an out cast jer 30;17/Isa 56:8/ BANISHED TO Isa 66:5 & from PATMOS/ FOR EVERY ISLAND SHALL FLEE AT HIS PRESENCE!Rev 16:20 His great WHITE THRONE! FOR NO MAN IS AN ISLAND (yet he is/we live by EVERY WORD) NO PLACE IS FOUND FOR HIM! Even to this DAY & hour .1 cor 4:10-13/lam 2:45 |
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