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Evil; Evil is not sin?
Topic Started: Mar 12 2008, 03:58 PM (443 Views)
BRS
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Hello! :lol:


I am not teaching, I have been thinking and I wanted to make sure I am right. I cannot find IWWB of what I am looking for.
Someone said, "Evil is not sin". But to me I think 'evil' is sin because like if is not sin then what is evil? 'Bad', that is what mean or 'wickedness'. So suppose if evil is not sin then what about other 'good' is not unsin? 'Unsin' mean not sin. Anyway, I was thinking like synonym, for example:


Good is holy, righteous, well-behaved, not sin, etc.
Evil is unholy, unrighteous, misdeed, sin, etc.



Also another example:

Lie is evil, therefore lie is sin.
Honest is good, therefore is not sin.
Murder is.................
Love is.....................
etc, etc.


Am I right?

Thank you!

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Steven Crook

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Hello, and thanks for the question. I hope the Lord helps us both with more understanding as we continue to do His will.

I think I can best explain my understanding by sharing with you what was given to me.

I see it as 2 fold. All words in scripture have a negative and positive and evil is no exception to that truth.

Here is an example.

(1Sa 16:14) But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

and again ¡K.

(Jdg 9:23) Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

Why?

(Gen 50:20) But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

So, God sends an evil spirit that causes things to "go south" for us. Evil is our intentions towards someone or something in that, we WANT to do the evil for evil because it is our nature via the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God, on the other hand, will ALWAYS use evil for good to SAVE.

I hope that makes a little sense to someone :)

Your brother in Christ
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Timothy Vaughan
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Dear Brothers & Sisters,

God (ALONE) is GOOD! mt 19:17

Christ was MADE Sin.(created not to sin) But to be PERFECTLY OBEIDENT to that WHICH is ONLY GOOD=(1 TRUE GOD)jn 17:3

In our FIRST State we are VAINITY (empty & VOID) of any Knowledge of our savior.

We apart(seperated) from GOD are (only) (evil)!No exceptions!Mt 17:11/jer 17:9

God Ceated us THIS way! He ALONE (one TRUE GOD)is SOVERIGN! NO EXCEPTIONS!

God is (ALONE) is RESPONSIBLE FOR this! For we CANNOT CHANGE his (will/word) for us! It is set in TABLETS OF STONE!

There is NO GOD but him ALONE! He is 1 GOD! not 3 in one or many gods!

He ALONE is the SAVIOR!There is no exceptions!

This is our first ESTATE (home/temple)! Clay earthen vessels! having no FORM &
VOID! A LUMP OF FLESHLY CLAY (red MUD)

Now God is not finished with us YET???Phil 1:6

We murmur about This? We of course would have a BETTER WAY of doing things?
Roms 9:19-22


He has just started!(in EARNEST/law of moses/bondwoman)


no where near finishing his GLORIOUS WORK!

This is just our beginning STATE! (for GOD is in the PROCESS/ALWAYS of creating)

Thats what he (IS )DOING he never Stops WORKING TILL HE IS FINISHED!

He does not KNOW what lazy is. In this sence.isa 40:28

He knows it TO well though in this SENCE!jer51:58 (in us only)

For HE KNOWS OUR SORROWS/CARRYS THEM (ALONE)

Now it is for THIS (only in part) PURPOSE ? That He CREATED (JESUS CHRIST & THE CHRIST)

Believe it or not? God is NOT finished with us! We are in a rudimenry STATE!
At first? col 2:20-23

God caused (CREATED/US) this THIS way!It is GLORIOUS in its time?Ecc 3:1-11

And WE DID NOT GLORIFY HIM/NEiTHER where we THANKFUL for ALL & ALL
THINGS!But REJECTED him and spit in his FACE.

We all have gone OUR OWN WAY! We REJECTED OUR SHEPhHERD.We loved the voice of the hirling! all we recieved was BITTER MUDDY WATERS
According to the flesh!

God Will CAUSE us to see this! (in his time /his will not MINE)

Now with this in mine this is here he FOUND us! for we WERE LOST!ez 34:11-16/jer 50:17

He Looses NOTHING nor fines nothing. He knows EVERYTHING! Nothing is Hidden to GOD.

But to us (in our first state) he is Lost & cannot be found. Near yet far away? as far as the heavens from the earth/ We weary ourselves to fine that which we had no REGARD.

He was (no good) to us we always have a BETTER way?Ez 34:3-9

We all (were) hirlings/Leading astray (this is the will of GOD)

There IS ONLY 1 SHEPHERD of the SHEEP!1peter 5:1-4/heb 13:20

It is NOT PETER!jn 21:14-17

We only know Denial (a BLOODY river IN EYGPT ) in our first (state).God will not
permit his lambs to GO BACK THERE!Though they long for it!

He feeds us with JUDGEMENT.

This is ONLY the beginning of our walk. we barely can walk for we are still
mere children OF ISREAL.

This is the Negative (evil EXPERIENCE) given to us Darkness & not light. THIS MUST COME FIRST! NO EXCEPTIONS.There is NO OTHER WAY!jn 10:1-2/jude 11

Ecc 1:12-18 (evil)

But REJOICE & AGAIN I SAY REJOICE! Come up hither & I WILL SHOW YOU A BETTER ((WAY))= PATH (few that be) THAT FINE IT!The DOOR/GATE OF LIFE!
Jn 14:5-7

YA AND AMEN a NEW & LIVING & More

EXCELLENT/COMMENDABLE WAY!heb 10:20

How EXCELLENT is thy NAME!! in ALL THE EARTH!!Not only on earth but in HEAVEN!
Ep 1:17-23



For there is NO OTHER ((WAY)) ONLY ((GOD IS GOOD))

THIS IS ALSO THE WILL OF GOD!

But before we understand the GOOD (only GOD is GOOD)

we have to come to know the (evil) man of sin!

This will be health to our (dead mans bones)

this still is the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL.gen 2:17 That must be cut down!heb 3:9/ez 31:1-18

you must be patient.heb 5:7-14

timothy

Gen




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BRS
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Hi Steven!

Thanks for the share. I understand what are your points with scriptures. Very well. :)

After I read your post yesterday, I was meditating of what you show the scriptures. Something came up in my thinking:

Joseph's brothers

Negative of Evil: Brothers angered/envied Joseph. Hateful Joseph. Lied to their father Jacob. Kidnapped Jacob and sold to Egyptians. Those are sin.

Positive of Evil: Joseph (second king of Egypt) saved the world include brothers and father of their physical starvation to death, for the evil caused is from God's and His own good. Those are not sin.


I see that God is both negative and positive of His own good. I never think God is evil or bad. I know He is good and know what He is doing.

I'm not try teaching, no, I learned so deep of God's sovereign from IWWB. Sometimes we don't see any positive after God send evil spirit troubled Saul. And Paul (chief Pharisee) killed believers and prison. And we see horrible evil in the world today. But God's ways and thoughts is not same our ways and thoughts about what His own will. Or why God's own will for people and then chastise/pruning and teaching people of righteous at the judgment:


Isa 55:8 For MY THOUGHTS are not your thoughts, neither are your ways MY WAYS, saith the LORD.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are HIS JUDGMENTS, and HIS WAYS past finding out!

Rom 9:22 What if GOD, WILLING TO SHEW HIS WRATH, and to make His POWER KNOWN, endured with much longsuffering the VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED TO DESTRUCTION:

Rom 9:16 So then it is NOT of him that willeth, NOR of him that runneth, BUT OF GOD that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9:18 Therefore hath He mercy on WHOM HE WILL HAVE MERCY, and WHOME HE WILL HE HARDENETH.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have MERCY UPON ALL.

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when THY JUDGMENTS ARE IN THE EARTH, the INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD WILL LEARN RIGHEOUSNESS.


Thanks Steven (of course, it's Lord willing and I thank Him), for the post that reflect me. :thumbup:

So, I guess there are two different of Evil: both are sin and not sin. (?)


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Timothy Vaughan
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Hi Steve & BRS,

(POSITVE) side of (evil)== REVERSE the LETTERS ==(LIVE)

TURN THE WORLD (earth/MAN) UP (SIDE) DOWN!2 kings 21:12-13

Put the (man/flesh of christ/dead) of sin on his HEAD= LIVING CHRIST HEAD IS GOD

This is his COMMANDMENT!1 jn 2:1-17

(Love/set your effection) has a negative side==(love not the World/man of sin)

BURY HIM! rom 6:1-7 (the man of sin)



Then <Come> RISE up hither,Rev 21:9 /james 3;17-18

The messenger ONE of the 7 STARS (ELECT /angelS of the LORD)One SENT FORTH /Apostles/in his RIGHT hand
(1TRUE GOD/through CHRIST/through the christ/ 7 elect ANGELS/1 ti 5;21)PREISTS OF the LORD

Which are the (MEASURE Of the GIFT OF CHASENING GRACE &FAITH/ep 4:7/4:16 ) of a MAN, that is of the ANGEL.Rev 21:17

This is measured by a PLUMBLINE (upright LINE OF RIGHTOUS JUDGEMENT (with those 7)by a jewish carpenter of STONE & WOOD To BUILD a HOUSE/church/TEMPLE OF GOD)

Zec 4:8-10/Amos 7:7-9/ isa 28;17/2 kings21:12-13/Rev 11:1-2/ Ep 4:11-

And (now) yet Shew I unto YOU A MORE EXCELLENT WAY! 1 cor 12:31/Ps 8

(LOVE)1 cor 13== GOD IS LOVE= GOD IS ONE/THIS IS A MEASURE/NOTHING ELSE COMPARES/

BUT THIS MEAUREMENT (keeping his COMMANDS?JUSTICE & MERCY THE WEIGHTER MATTERS OF THE LAW)


I like this Quote Steven: acts 6:5-10 A true burean


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Scripture; gen 50:20 But as for YOU, You (THOUGHT)

( BRS OUOTE) MY THOUGHTS Are not YOUR THOUGHTS/BRS=Isa 55:8

(EVIL)

Now whos (thought) was this SCRIPTURE?Revealed to JOSEPH !ELECT?

ONLY JOSEPH (ABOUT) the (evil) (GOD CAUSED/soverign) josephs brothers THOUGHTS to be!

Gen 50 :15

(JOSEPH) DOES NOT HATE HIS BROTHERS! 1 jn 2:7-11/1jn10-16

though they are his ENEMIES/HE LOVES THEM (inside of me)

HE LOVES THEM & Gives them COMMANDS! (JUSTICE/PlumBline) jn 12:44-50

As he is so are WE in this WORLD ( in this body of death/ POWER OVER FLESH & BLOOD OVER THIS BODY OF DEATH)

Fear not (there is NO FEAR IN LOVE=GOD) it is YOUR FATHERS (GOOD) pleasure to GIVE
you the KINGDOM

FEAR NOT MEN (the man of sin/Ps 73:22)/FEAR GOD (only) SERVE him ONLY!

Study this Ps 8 It will HELP in time of need! It helps me in this time.(his time) Heb2:1-18

to come BOLD as a LION to the THRONE OF GRACE!(both chasening & FREE GIFT By a free spirit)

This is A (way) to have HIS THOUGHTS! 1 cor 10:1-5

BRING EVERY THOUGHT INTO the OBIEDIENCE of CHRIST.(cast down the imaginations of the OLD world/ gen 6:5/man of sin/Make him YOUR SLAVE! rom 6:15-23

DOMNION OVER THE BEASTS! ps 8:6-9/gen 1:26-28

THESE are CHRISTS (josephs thoughts) TOWARD YOUP! Ps 40;5/lk12:22

PLEASE READ

JERIMAH 29:10-11

My thoughts are with you my brothers & sisters!

TIMOTHY (honouring GOD) Glory to him ONLY

1 cor 4;17/phil 2:19-23



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Little David
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A simple way to look at this is that evil is not the act. Evil is the intent behind the act.

Giving a person who is in need $10000 would be viewed as good, but if the intent of the giver was to have some undue influence over that person then it is evil.

God's ways and plan are awesome
Little David
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BRS
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(JOSEPH) DOES NOT HATE HIS BROTHERS! 1 jn 2:7-11/1jn10-16[/QUOTE]


Hi Timothy,

Thanks for the post and share. I wrote "Hateful Joseph", I mean brothers hated Joseph. I did not say "Joseph hated brothers". No that is not what I mean. Maybe I write wrong sentence, sorry. I am deaf person and I don't write very good English. :blush:


And Thanks David for the comment of 'evil'. I understand you.


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Timothy Vaughan
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Dear BRS,

Sorry for the mix up,You write pretty good! I surely have a problem with writing clearly .

I have a problems with comunication.Wasn't a talent given to me. i will pray for your situation on your hearing.


Believe me I know what it is like Not to hear,see or understand . isa 6;9-10/Ps38:13-16/Ex 4:11

Please forgive me. (THIS IS WITHIN ME) Is 42:18-20//

lev 19:14-18

(I am) as you !Ps 38:13-16/


or my Lord WILL NOT RECIEVE MY GIFT! mt 5:23-24

This (Gift of faith) . Hearing the word. Lk 7:22-23/

for faith cometh by hearing & hearing by The WORD of the LORD.



God speed (this day) for (us both).For the (day) is NOW.isa 29:18 (in the BOOK)



(I have a reading problem too/ Isa 29:10-13 {IN THE BOOK) But it has PAST

FOR ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD!BLESSED BE GOD!

BUT FOR (MEN) IT IS {IMPOSSIBLE}

GLORY TO GOD ONLY!

Put your TRUST NOT in MEN for in them is NO HELP!Cursed be man that does this! jer 17:5

No wonder WHY? I have (HAD) so many problems?

timothy

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