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| Laying Up In Store 1 Cor. 16:1-3; comparing spiritual with spiritual | |
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| lrolson | Apr 15 2008, 08:08 PM Post #1 |
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1 Cor 16:1-3 What is the spiriual significance of this passage, and can we compare spiritual with spiritual to this? 1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. Now comparing spiritual with spiritual. Those in the first spiritual birth see this as giving money on Sunday (first day of the week) to those in need within the church. Now for the next spiritual comparison. Spiritually speaking the first day of the week is the day Christ (in us) is being raised from the dead (us). Also the first day of the week is the eighth day. For God's elect the eighth day is the day we are being circumcised (or putting off the flesh). Now what is it (spiritually) that we are to lay by in store, as God has prospered us, on this day (within)? God is prospering us with spiritual riches (truth). We are to lay up treasures in the heavens. Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: We are to do this on this day of the Lord (the first day of the week). So that there be no gatherings when I come. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God (bring with him). Paul is saying to gather up these treasures now, so that we will not be gathering these treasures during the lake of fire, when he (Paul) comes with (the) Christ. Rick |
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| Bill Palmer | Apr 16 2008, 07:30 AM Post #2 |
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Really good stuff Rick, I quite enjoyed reading through that. Quite honestly, I had never looked at that scripture that way but I am glad you've taken the time to post it up for everyone. Keep it coming - Bill |
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| Timothy Vaughan | Apr 16 2008, 08:01 AM Post #3 |
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YEs & Amen Rick, May the LORD continue to bless you! Ep 1:3 Blessed be the GOD & FATHER of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST , who HATH (already/was) with (ALL/ALL & ALL) SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS (like here/from our brother Rick) in the HEAVENLY (our heaven) IN CHRIST (the christ). Blessed be your BODY Father. 1 cor 12:1-27. It is washed, (by the word) & sacrificed every day (in us) . (I DIE DAILY /twice dead/ in the morning & evening/ num 28:4)by this we KNOW, that you have accepted (your SON in US/ the HOPE of GLORY). As a sweet BURENT offering. A pleasent smell in your ASSEMBLY. in our feasts of LOVE. when the MAN of SIN IS DEAD (and has NO LIFE(leaven) IN HIM) when the wicked one is DRIVEN OUT/ Of EYGPT.. And for us to (BE) sacrificed in the wilderness of SIN/ sent out by a FIT man. Yes keep the feast Of UNLEAVEN BREAD OF SINCERITY & TRUTH (for 7 days/ till completion) present an OFFERING of fire till completion in us your KINGS & PRIESTS (NOW) LORD. TILL THIER IS NOTHING LEFT (IN US) till we SPEND EVERYTHING ( the WHOLE WORLD) For WHAT PROfIT IS IT LORD? 1 jn 3:15-17 If we gain all the riches of egypt & not BUY( suffer reproaches) from joseph GOLD & bread tried in the FIRE? For 7 long years till my release. For i AM the 7th from ADAM & have walked with you for 3oo years. But NOW i have been TRANSLATED (FROM) the KINGDOM OF DARKNESS (SIN & DEATH) TO THE KINGDOM OF YOUR DEAR SON. Yes WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE YOU! you MUST be dilegent WITH my WHOLE HEART for i have been soooo Famished in my hearing of your bread. For soo long O LORD For BY ONE (body/many members) is he GIVEN for us (in US). For BY FAITH are ye SAVED (Not of OUR WORKS/ law in our members/our rightousness/LAW OF SIN & DEATH/moses law). in that ONE BODY. Yes LORD I ESTEEM all DAYS ALIKE ( Every day as a THOUSAND YEARS/ Do WE LONG FOR YOUR COURTS/ For 1 DAY (with understanding/SALVATION) with you IS BETTER than a THOUSAND other days (in sin) For a thousand years are as a DAY of wrath in your court. for your jealously burns in me O LORD. TILL (ALL IN ALL) my members are ZEALOUSLY BURNT. (within) For you will drive out him (man of sin) with cords & whips out of 40 save 1. And burn him outside the camp for we riegn as KINGS & princes & i MUST KISS the SUN of rightousness. Till he burn me with fervent heat. For my glory has been my SHAME. It has been the god of my belly. Sweet are your words in my mouth like the honeycomb. But to the man of sin (knowledge of sin) it is bitterness to my belly. yes i must preach says the preacher (woe is me if i dont) yes ive come to great ESTATE in my barns & storehouse/ and must leave it and follow thee. (don't look back ) A pillar of Salt will loose it savor But watch & warn. Take nothing in my purse, What is needED will be PROVIDED. Worry about nothing. But be thankful . FOR EVERYTHING. For our heavenly Father KNOWS what we need BEFORE we NEED IT. For we BROUGHT NOTHING IN THIS WORLD (sin)/ God caused it!. And we will surely bring NOTHING out of it.BLESSED be the LORD. Be content with what we have. Thank you for our daily portion(omer) of HIDDEN manna LORD. This BREAD from heaven. That Giveth his life for the WHOLE world. (body) Blessed are my brothers & sisters that wash my feet. I pray i can always wash thiers in humility. Blessed be you my LORD that never hesitates to wash ours. But is TRUE & FAITHFUL! IN ALL THINGS ALWAYS. Thanks again Rick. (for i comes by our lord/ blessed be the LORD!) timothy |
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| joyful1 | Apr 18 2008, 05:10 PM Post #4 |
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Hello all!
I have a question....I'll quote the last part of Rick's post first: Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: We are to do this on this day of the Lord (the first day of the week). So that there be no gatherings when I come. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God (bring with him). Paul is saying to gather up these treasures now, so that we will not be gathering these treasures during the lake of fire, when he (Paul) comes with (the) Christ. Then from Job: Job 33:14 "Indeed (O)God speaks once, Or twice, yet no one notices it. 15"In a dream, a vision of the night, When sound sleep falls on men, While they slumber in their beds, 16Then He opens the ears of men, And seals their instruction, 17That He may turn man aside from his conduct, And keep man from pride; 18He keeps back his soul from the pit, And his life from passing over into Sheol. My question is this: Is it possible that God continues to "seal our instruction" while we "sleep?" While physically dead? "So that there be no gatherings when I come." Ephesians 9:5 says that the "dead know nothing." HOWEVER.... Verses 14 and 15 seem to be saying that even without us "noticing" it, or knowing it God is speaking to us while we sleep. When God speaks to us in the night, in a vision, while we slumber on our beds....we get up and respond to that information the next day....sometimes we remember everything in the dream or in the vision in the dream....sometimes we remember only a portion of the dream and ponder it throughout the day because our spirit tells us that it was from God and we NEED to understand it.....and then sometimes, I believe that these verses are saying that we are "unaware" that God has spoken to us. Yet when God sends forth His Word....it WILL accomplish that for which He sent it! Right? Comments? Joyce
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| lrolson | Apr 19 2008, 05:32 AM Post #5 |
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Joyce Jesus said..."I am" the door. The "IS" in is was and will be is primary. We live by every word (now). We are dead (now). We (sleep) now. We are being raised (now). The (is) is the door. Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. So the dead know nothing (now). Rick (me), is dead now, and knows nothing. But the living (Christ) does know. Rick knows nothing but Christ knows all. The fulness that we all seek for (knowing all) comes when Christ has been formed in us. Only when there is nothing left to die in us, will we have the fulness. Only when all wood hay and stuble is burned up. But we do have it (now) in earnest. Christ is our head. I hope this adds to your understanding. Dying daily Rick |
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| sandra | Apr 22 2008, 11:23 AM Post #6 |
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Yes -Thank you - I have been Gathering(collecting) from them, much nuggets of Gold! (Hidden Manna) Spiritual riches(truth). Treasures in heaven.!! Thank you Lord for the instruction we receive “Upon Thy Bed” For when we are “upon our bed….dying daily” That God is working. Dan 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in he latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; Dan 2:29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealed secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. Adding this to the above: Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, [yet man] perceiveth it not. Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumbering upon the bed: Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction As with Jacob, Joseph, the baker, the butler, the Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Ahasuerus, Christ’s step-father- Joseph, the wise men, Pilate’s wife and the apostles Peter and Paul. All had their “ears opened and received instruction from God, upon their beds.” We just can’t hear God’s voice when doing our own works. We must be dying daily. Jesus Christ Our Head and We are the body!! Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast; for all is vanity. I was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same, in hope- Rom 8:18-23 Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his Head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the Sum of the matters! Psa 139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God: how great is the sum of them! O Lord, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but lo, O Lord, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. Psa 139 Yes it is written( Ecc 9:5) The dead know not anything- I must Follow you Lord and Let the dead bury their dead. For God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. Rom11:8 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber. Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. Psa 121:3-4 The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. Mat17:1-9 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (Joe 2:28) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2: 16-20 Mat 24:29-34 Thank you All for sharing what God has Given. Sandra |
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And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; Neither shall they say, Lo here: or, lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Lk17:20-21 | |
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| joyful1 | Apr 23 2008, 11:08 AM Post #7 |
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Thank you Rick and Sandra for your help. I am meditating upon your answers to understand exactly what you are saying. Forgive my slowness. Joyce |
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| joyful1 | Apr 30 2008, 07:29 AM Post #8 |
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Phillipians 3:10-21 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. ...... 20For our conversation(*citizenship) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Okay...so I see 2 things in this passage relating to your post. 1) Paul is saying that he had NOT already attained....but what he did have, and what the others DID have, they should press on with toward the goal. 2) that "our vile body" is included in the "subdue ALL things unto himself" ....and therefore the complete "change" must include the "new" vessel that we become and that the "attainment" is not complete until this stage is also performed. thirsting for truth Joyce |
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