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| The Spiritual Significance Of Eutychus; from Acts 20:7-11 | |
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| lrolson | May 11 2008, 12:35 PM Post #1 |
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Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Act 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. Act 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. Act 20:10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him. Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed. We know the first day of the week is the day of resurrection (within). Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow. We are ready to depart this flesh on the morrow after this day of resurrection. Paul's preaching caused this certain young man to sink down with sleep. Paul's enlightening words caused spiritual death to this man. But Paul raised him from the dead. Just as we are being raised. Then after he was raised he broke bread, (was able to rightly divide the word). Then after a long while, even till break of day, he departs. Just as we will after this long while still in the flesh depart. The name Eutychus means (well fated). This young man is a type of Gods predestined elect. Rick |
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| Steven Crook | May 14 2008, 07:59 AM Post #2 |
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Nice post Rick. I also noticed this while reading your post: Act 20:10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him. (2Ch 34:7) And when he had broken down the altars and the groves, and had beaten the graven images into powder, and cut down all the idols throughout all the land of Israel, he returned to Jerusalem. (Mat 21:44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Luk 20:18) Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. I believe this is all saying the same thing: (Mat 16:25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. It is after being crushed that we gain life. Paul "fell on him", EMBRACED him, and then states: his life is in him. Thanks for your post. Your brother in the Christ |
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| joyful1 | May 16 2008, 04:43 PM Post #3 |
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Very interesting, Rick! What do you think the "many lights" represent, in the upper room? And his position in the window, rather than actually being IN the chamber with the others--is there a significance to you in that?Joyce
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| lrolson | May 18 2008, 12:13 PM Post #4 |
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Joyce I am glad you asked this! It caused me to want to know also. I prayed for the answer. I looked up the word many. It is from strongs 2425, and means competent or worthy. So there were (competent) lights [in] the upper chamber. These competent lights are those already there. Satan, and his ministers (appear) as an angel of light. So these are (worthy lights), as was Paul. This Eutychus had not died yet. He sat in the window where light was coming from. Pauls worthy light (enlightening words) caused spiritual death to this young man. Rick |
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| joyful1 | May 22 2008, 11:31 AM Post #5 |
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wow...okay...that's good! If we "let our light so shine" that others see our good works and glorify our Father which is in heaven, then our light is COMPETENT! Just another sign that we are being "thoroughly furnished" to all good works? eh?
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Now, you've pointed out that this young man ate bread (*rightly dividing the Word) AFTER his resurrection experience.... I noticed the words that Paul proclaimed at his side.... Act 20:10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him. John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. I am wondering what you may think about that? I am wondering if the young man received the words that Paul preached, and as you say, the Words "killed" him spiritually....but at the same time put LIFE IN HIM so that when he "died"....that LIFE was there to raise him up? We are always seeing the Kingdom of God being compared to a SEED. The SEED of the Word brought "death" to the young man....but the SEED WAS STILL THERE to accomplish ALL that it had been sent for.... I am hearing something with this verse as well....but its not completely clear to me the meaning.... What do you see? John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joyce |
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| lrolson | May 27 2008, 04:17 PM Post #6 |
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Joyce Life comes only AFTER death. Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. The first begettal brings about the child of the devil, and we bear his fruit. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The second begettal brings about the birth of the new man, and we bear the fruit of the holy spirit. Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Hope this helps Rick |
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| joyful1 | May 28 2008, 11:02 AM Post #7 |
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Hi Rick-- This is very interesting....the way that you are putting it here...if FEELS right... but I have 2 questions: 1) the first "begettal" ....is that not PHYSICAL birth that you are speaking of? 2) if you are, in fact, only comparing sprititual LIFE after spiritual DEATH in BOTH cases....how can it be appointed for us to die only ONCE (spiritually) ? I'm confused in this....what did I miss? I mean, no one DIED prior to being "conceived in sin" right? Because you said that LIFE only comes AFTER death. I take that to be a spiritual truth. However, I don't see how it fits? Sorry for the trouble. I do want to understand what you are saying. Joyce
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| lrolson | May 29 2008, 08:29 PM Post #8 |
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Joyce In order to undersatand the things of the spirit we must compare spiritual with spiritual (by) the physical. 1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. Our first fleshly birth is physical. Our first spiritual birth is when we first come to the word and are impregnated with the (physical) word. The first coming of Christ. At that point we know Jesus (the word) in a physical way. But we are of our father the devil. By his (the devils) spirit. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. This is the first spiritual birth process that produces the child of the devil. It is by their fruits shall ye know them. All within. The child of the devil produces these fruits. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. This child that produces these fruits must die. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death Only after this death does the second birth process begin. 2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Now we are impregnated by the spirit of the word, and we know Him no longer after the flesh. Then we produce the fruits of the spirit. Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Everthing physical is only a shadow of the real spiritual. Including death. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: We understand spiritual (invisible) things by that (physical) which is made. Which includes our physical birth, aging and dying process. Physical death is only a shadow of the real spiritual death. Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: And 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? This judgment is a continual process. The old man dies and the new man is being raised out of this body of death. Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Dying daily Rick |
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| joyful1 | May 30 2008, 12:22 AM Post #9 |
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okay:Now I'm really confused! Woe is me! I'll re-read this and go back over the articles, and then I'll come back when my undestanding has at least grown a few inches! Thanks for the help, Rick! Joyce
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| ertsky | May 31 2008, 08:46 PM Post #10 |
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morning all
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: well keeping in mind that the letter kills if viewed in "letter" this verse seems to say that you physically die and then get judged, but if viewed spiritually (eyes within) christ is crucified in us thus leading captivity captive and the first adam is being cast out, coming to nothing Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world shall be cast out. 1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught: Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. see in 6:10 "he died unto sin once" who died? Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. crucified with christ nevertheless i live who lives? Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. as He is so are we put to death in the flesh and made alive in spirit Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. |
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| joyful1 | Jun 3 2008, 03:17 AM Post #11 |
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Rick and Frank-- Thanks for your patience in answering my questions... Okay....see if I have it right.... You speak of basically 3 births: 1) physical birth 2) first (false) spiritual birth (*when we THINK we've been 'born again' ) 3) 2nd (true) spiritual birth (*when we actually RECEIVE Christ ) Right? then there are 2 deaths: 1) dying daily (*spiritually speaking) 2) actual phyical death Right? Do I constrain the meaning too much? You speak of this all being an "ongoing" process, which to me means that you have "many deaths" and "many rebirths." But perhaps I've tried too hard to put this into compartments that fit neatly into my thinking? But this "spiritual death" is the ONE time appointment with death discribed in Hebrews 9:27 ? right? |
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| lrolson | Jun 4 2008, 05:39 AM Post #12 |
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Joyce There are two births and one death, biblicly speaking. We are told to compare spiritual with spiritual. 1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. We are told that the things we can not see (spiritual) are clearly seen by that which is made (physical). Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: The spiritual birth when we of our father the devil, is the first spiritual birth. Our physical birth is only what is seen, (as a patern). The second spiritual birth when we are being shaped in the image of Christ, Our physical birth is still the patern that is seen. There is only one death. Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Our physical death is only what is seen ( as a patern). Rick |
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| joyful1 | Jun 5 2008, 02:56 PM Post #13 |
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got it!!the patern thingy...that's what I needed to understand!! thanks Rick!! Frank, thanks too...but I'm still struggling with what you've written about "who dies?" and "who lives?" do you mean that we count ourselves alive spiritually....when we are IN CHRIST....but its actually Christ that lives? Joyce
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Very interesting, Rick! What do you think the "many lights" represent, in the upper room? And his position in the window, rather than actually being IN the chamber with the others--is there a significance to you in that?
wow...okay...that's good! If we "let our light so shine" that others see our good works and glorify our Father which is in heaven, then our light is COMPETENT! Just another sign that we are being "thoroughly furnished" to all good works? eh?
okay:
got it!!
7:47 PM Jul 10