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Was Jesus Christ created?; Question
Topic Started: Jun 28 2008, 08:31 AM (1,455 Views)
Roy Monis
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lrolson
Jul 5 2008, 12:56 PM
Roy

You said....

God is the One God, the Father. That is an established fact, but who is He speaking to in Gen.1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us
make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;...." The "US" and the "OUR"?

You ask.....

who is He speaking to in Gen.1:26?

Now I know why you are confused! Let me explain this verse.

Gen 1:26 And God430 said,559 Let us make6213 man120 in our image,6754 after our likeness:1823 and let them have dominion7287 over the fish1710 of the sea,3220 and over the fowl5775 of the air,8064 and over the cattle,929 and over all3605 the earth,776 and over every3605 creeping thing7431 that creepeth7430 upon5921 the earth.776

The word God430 is from the Hebrew....
H430
àìäéí
'ĕlôhîym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

This is the word (Jesus) speaking and not His Father. Jesus is doing the creating.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

I will stop here. So we can take this one step at a time.

In no way are you boring me Roy.

Rick
Hi! Rick

I'm pleased to know I'm not being a nuisance. Now to your explanation. You say it's Jesus doing the creating and it is Him who is speaking. But Jesus/carnal the man is not yet born, this is millennia years before His time.

Now the Father is God and there is only ONE GOD. I've got that (pat on the back).

But now let us consider "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." (John 1:1-3).

So from the very beginning the Word was with God (Father) and the Word was God. Up to this point that is all there is and absolutely nothing else. Now in the next sentence we read that the Word goes out from the Father and the work of creation starts. Now since the one and only God is the Father and John says the Word was with the God (Father), and the Word was (also) God. This can only mean that the Word is the Father's Spirit, the Holy Spirit. (not some God the Holy Spirit trinity theory).

Jesus only became the only begotten Son of God, the Word, when Mary conceived by the Father's Spirit, the Holy Spirit. It was only then that He became God and Creator of all things, the Word that became flesh. This is how I see it and I can't seem to see it any other way.

All those figures 430, 559, 6213, 120 etc.,etc, are double dutch to me, I don't even understand single dutch, I'm thick. The "US" and "OUR" remains a mystery, not that that matters.

I hope I'm not getting you confused. Posted Image

Peace!

Roy

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Jun 30 2008, 08:28 PM
Roy

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

This verse states that Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. Jesus is the faithful and true witness.

In type and shadow Eve came out of Adam, showing Christ came out of God.

Rick
Hi! Rick

I'm sorry I don't know how to work this board. For a start I've no idea who I'm communicating with. One moment it is Rick, the next it's Timothy then JasonM. How do I select an individual quote and reply to that without all the other quotes piling in on the act. For example reply to your post, and then Timothy, and then Jason, all individually. At the moment I don't know where I'm up to. I know you all mean well and I thank you.
The topic is confusing enough without the communication confusion being added to it.

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Roy

You said....

Jesus only became the only begotten Son of God, the Word, when Mary conceived by the Father's Spirit, the Holy Spirit. It was only then that He became God and Creator of all things, the Word that became flesh. This is how I see it and I can't seem to see it any other way.

Jesus said....

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you (before) Abraham was, I am.

Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God....

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Jesus' beginning was before ANYTHING. Then ALL else was created by Jesus.

Rick
Edited by lrolson, Jul 9 2008, 05:13 AM.
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Timothy Vaughan
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Hi Roy,

There is a doctrine in babylon that states . That Jesus christ did not exist before his HUMAN birth.

There is also a doctrine in babylon he was JUST an expsression of the ONE TRUE GOD and NOT an acutual CREATION .

I believe> THIS FACT> THAT THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST< ONE TRUE GOD >THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST ( MY LORD& GOD )>

CREATED JESUS CHRIST BEFORE HIS HUMAN BIRTH.

IT (WAS) THE FIRST THING HE CREATED.(the ONE TRUE GOD CREATED/the GOD & father of JESUS CHRIST)

You and I and everyone on this PLANET has a beginning A to z so to speak.

WE have a beginning and and an END.A to z/alpha & omega.

We all are BORN & we all WILL DIE.

JESUS CHRIST (WAS) THE SAME AS YOU & I. HE was CREATED like ADAM (WAS)

This is the scripture: It (is ) UNDISPUTED

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

This scripture and passage of scriptures PROVE 3 THINGS. 3 WITNESSES (PROCESS)

1rst one; That WE LIVE BY EVERY WORD OF the (ONE TRUE GOD)

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Who or WHAT is the TRUE & FAITHFUL WITNESS??? (THE WORD OF GOD) JESUS CHRIST/Rev 3:14

IT is impossible for GOD to LIE.HE is NOT A MAN (NOW)THAT HE SHOULD LIE.

Yet he (is) in this flesh (earthen treasure

Jesus christ HAS come in the FLESH (in US)

He that does NOT believe this is a LIAR.ANd the FATHER of it!

I did not KNOW this when i was born. I (was )a baby).BORN OF CORRUPTION.

Born of a corrupt FATHER
I knew not GOD

LIVING IN US (HIS BODY) (the TEMPLE OF GOD) (NOT MADE WITH HANDS)

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits (7 spirits?false witnesses)?whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (the world is the CHURCHES)=(Baby)lon Notice thre is a lot of BABY IN BABYLON=INFANTS
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit(MATURE) that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (IN US)
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit (infants)that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children(still little children BUT NO LONGER INFANTS), and have overcome them: (we WERE THE THEM /infants)because greater(MATURE/PERFECT) is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world,(language of INFANTS /JIBBERISH/BABY TALK) and the world heareth them. (GOD has CLOSED THERE EARS)
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. (laodicean Spirit of ERROR/We all have had it/it still DOMINATES /baby spirit/NOT MATURE)
1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another:(keep the 1 COMMAND OF GOD/HE IS ONE GOD O ISREAL) for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. (he still LOVES BABYS/ he is thier father)

Notice This?church of the Laodiceans write;Rev 3:14

WE must ADMIT (confess) that we are LAODICEAN! Or is that for that other GUY?

It is the 7th church(completion of ASIA/WE ARE ASIA) of the churches (it is only ONE CHURCH) They HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM (JOHN) means CHASENING GRACE/There father in TYPE & SHADOW (the christ)


Now from that POINT


HE is (the WORD)

They are sent a MESSENGER/APOSTLE of the LORD to (REMIND THEM/INFANTS/for they have FORGOTTEN) that he IS the BEGINNING[

of the CREATION of GOD (I AM THAT ANGEL OF THE LORD)

AS HE IS SO ARE WE (body of christ) This is what an ANGEL (IS )(messenger)


Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, a hundred and forty and four cubits=(9)=JUDGEMENT, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

If you do not BELIEVE(the faith of CHRIST/his not mine) this a cannot help you?

AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD/

HE (is) the ANGEL OF THE PRESENCE

Now Laodicen DOES NOT KNOW GOD.Do you admit (confess)this?Do you live by EVERY WORD OF GOD?

I ADMIT THAT LAODCEAN (DOES NOT KNOW HE IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD)

I (WAS) DEAD THERE!

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified(measuredby the line of JUDGEMENT), and not by faith only. (for the 7 demons believe in 1 GOD AND THEY TREMBLE)

Jas 2:25 Likewise also (was) not Rahab the harlot(I AM A REPENTED HARLOT) justified by works, when she had received the messengers,(angels of the LORD/WHAT is an ANGEL?) and had sent them (who sent them?)out another way?
(WHO IS THE WAY? OUT)??????????????????????

Jas 2:26 For as the body (churches/LEFT BEHIND ME)without the spirit is deadRev 3:1, so faith (our rightousness BELIEF)without works (is/EVEN NOW) dead also.

timothy,PS.

LOVE IS a brother,LOVE IS GOD,LOVE IS A COMMAND,GOD IS LOVE
I love you ROY !AS A BROTHER.

FAITHFUL ARE THE WOUNDS OF A FRIEND.I AM NOT A FRIEND OF THIS WORLD (age) (babylon)

I love (command)my enemies. (I AM that I AM) A MAN just like YOU (ELIJAH)james 5;16-20

The other 2 witness are coming if you want them?( I am) your brother



I bear the MARKS, I live by every word of GOD (as THE ONE TRUE GOD SEES ~FIT) HE has TOTAL domion over my FAITH


I will leave you this PEACE OF GOD! PEACE! He is OUR PEACE.

By in our time (appointed TIME) we (you & i)say this?

PEACE

This is what happened to (ME)

1Th 5:3 For when they(7 churches) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman(who is the woman roy?) with child; and they shall not escape.

BLESSED BE THE LORD THAT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO ESCAPE HIS LOVING WRATH!

BLESSED BE THE LORD!HOLY,HOLY,HOLY (3 is a process)are you alone!

The only thing left behind is our corruption (way of the flesh)

BLESSED BE THE LORD! AMEN!

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