| Welcome to Iacon. We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Obama Atheism Speach | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 13 2009, 08:42 PM (127 Views) | |
| King Crimson | Apr 13 2009, 08:42 PM Post #1 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
"For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it. Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles. This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all." Well Con, let's see if you're right. Will they all just kill him? |
![]() |
|
| Thyunda | Apr 13 2009, 11:14 PM Post #2 |
|
Administrator
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
He'll become unpopular pretty quickly. Doubt they'll kill him. I think they all want to think they're past that. |
![]() |
|
| King Crimson | Apr 15 2009, 08:41 AM Post #3 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I believe the modern leader of the KKK said on the Obama / McCain battle for presidency.... "I'd rather have a nigger than a mad man." Contemporary America- Racists with a heart! |
![]() |
|
| « Previous Topic · News and Announcements · Next Topic » |





![]](http://z1.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)




2:40 PM Jul 11