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| Topic Started: Oct 5 2005, 12:53 PM (5,822 Views) | |
| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 12:53 PM Post #1 |
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Qui-Gon lover, defender of Anakin and lusting after Obi-Wan and Luke. Yep, that's me. Love to read about them, sometimes even love to write them. But <waves hand in front of your face> I'm not the writer you're looking for. Move along, move along. Kriff, you're still here? :o Oh, you're looking for the pictures. Here's one. Posted Image Okay, okay, seriously, if you have any questions, you can ask. And I might even tell the truth. Just for you! I'm posting the next chapter of Betrayal later tonight. Been sitting on my desk for almost a week. Why? Because I can... :D No, because I post on Thursdays. And none for next week because Qui-Gon is not cooperating... again. Darn Jedi. |
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| maychorian | Oct 5 2005, 01:00 PM Post #2 |
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But so lovable!
:wub: Yeah sure, because you can . . . we all believe you . . . That's a lovely pic, though. |
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| LuvEwan | Oct 5 2005, 01:01 PM Post #3 |
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I'll definitely be refreshing the Saga page many times tonight, waiting for this promised update! :yahoo
Okay, I have a question: How does Betrayal end? :P |
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| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 01:17 PM Post #4 |
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:rotflol: Le'orath leaves Qui-Gon for Yoda, claiming that gimer sticks are just so sexy. Obi-Wan and Mace have a fling much to Adi's chagrin. Sera Tharten becomes the next Sith Lord, and when Anakin finds out, he just has to go to Coruscant to join up. Atel gives up the Order and starts her own line of grunge fashionwear, becoming the richest woman on Coruscant, and has a string of lovers, all looking suspiciously like Anakin. And poor Qui-Gon is left taking care of Ben and farming. But, at least, no one is after him this time. Well, except for the bounty hunter, but that's another story. :o You don't really want to know, do you? |
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| Kynstar | Oct 5 2005, 01:27 PM Post #5 |
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No way!!! :blink: Oh but it sounds like it could have potential!! I soooo am enjoying Betrayal diane!! Alot!! :bounce It's soo unique and not played out before. Those type of stories are what last the longest in folks' minds! |
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| maychorian | Oct 5 2005, 01:28 PM Post #6 |
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:lol: Grungewear . . . |
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| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 01:42 PM Post #7 |
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Hey, LE asked. I can't tell her the real ending.
:P I mean I could tell her the real ending. But only if she really, really needs to know. A couple of people do know because they asked and because they swore secrecy. Thanks Kynstar. I really appreciate that. I'm just so surprised that people like it and are willing to read it even after a couple of years of waiting for the slow one to write the darn thing. At least, I'm on the downhill slope, as it were. :D I will say one thing about the ending. Some people live and some people don't. Hey, it's Star Wars. There is always death, destruction and mayhem, not necessarily in that order. And I'm not afraid to kill characters off, either so you don't know who I'm going to kill off. :o |
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| Haro | Oct 5 2005, 01:52 PM Post #8 |
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Wow! A bunch a threads sprung up while I was driving home. Now it's everyone's turn to ask Diane the hard questions...must go think of something. :P |
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| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 02:08 PM Post #9 |
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Okay, because LE said she'd be refreshing all night, I updated just now. Have a ball... |
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| Allelujah | Oct 5 2005, 02:19 PM Post #10 |
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I have a question. Why Qui-Gon? :tease No seriously. What about the character in Menace drew you to him, rather than Obi? |
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| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 02:41 PM Post #11 |
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Well, that's a good question. First of all, why not Obi-Wan? Because I didn't like him very much in the OT. He had lied to Luke bigtime in ANH, still hadn't told him the truth in TESB and only when push came to shove, did he tell Luke the truth. He was sorry for it but that wasn't good enough for me. I've since learned to really like Obi-Wan but only because of the PT. Otherwise, I would still feel the same way. Why Qui-Gon? I fell for him in an instant. When he plunged his lightsaber into that door near the beginning of the movie, I realized that I was looking at a true Jedi Knight, the personification of the Jedi of the old Order. My mouth just hung open. Plus he was grace personified. My love affair might have only lasted a few more moments but I just loved that he was willing to gamble in order to free Anakin, he played with Padme (knowing she was the queen all along), and he was a terrific warrior. But mostly I love him because he felt deeply, passionately about what he believed in. You could see it in his eyes. He hated doing what he did to Obi-Wan in the Council chamber but he did it because he believed that he must. And then he was ashamed enough to not apologize until much later - very human and quite vulnerable in a very real way. He was strong, driven, had a deeply sarcastic sense of humor, protective of the people in his charge and sweet with kids. I knew that if I met him in real life, we would get along as friends. He would be annoying and frustrating but true to his heart and his duty. I really do love to write him for his flaws and his strengths. Wonderful to exploit but mostly because I really love him as a character. |
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| Magier | Oct 5 2005, 05:04 PM Post #12 |
"A woman dislikes an overly talkative man."
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I see. It was love at first sight then. |
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| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 05:23 PM Post #13 |
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Noi, there can be such a thing as love at first sight
:D but it's the second look that makes love last.
:wub: I definitely gave Qui-Gon a second look and a third and a fourth. By the time he lay dying and he touched Obi-Wan on the face, I was his forever! Okay, I think we are supposed to talk about our stories. What I don't understand, really don't understand is why my readers hate my Betrayal OC, Atel, so much. I've tried to make her more sympathetic, I've tried to get people to see her POV. Heck, in the last post, she offered to exchange herself for Obi-Wan in the torture cell. LOL. I just don't get it. Could someone explain it to me, please??? I'm not upset or anything but more confused than anything else. To tell the truth, she is based almost entirely on a young Obi-Wan, just more so. Stubborn, more of a rule-follower, somewhat blind to manipulation but with great loyalty and heart. And the fact is that she's doing to Obi-Wan exactly what Obi-Wan is doing to Qui-Gon and what Anakin did to Qui-Gon. It's all the same note! On purpose, of course. :D As a side note, I managed to do three things in my latest Betrayal post that was needed for further setup. <snickers evilly> And I think I hid them fairly well. I hope. |
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| LuvEwan | Oct 5 2005, 05:32 PM Post #14 |
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Except now everyone's going to rush over and look for them. :diablo: I think a lot of the 'hating' of Atel is exaggerated, because we're on an internet board and sometimes people overemphasize what they want to say, if that makes any sense. Like if something sweet happens, you might say 'awwww!' on the internet to get the point across, while if something frustrating happens (and Atel can be frustrating just like Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are) then you might saw 'arrrrgh!'. I don't think anyone wants her dead, and she's definitely not a bad character in any sense of the term. Everyone wants Qui-Gon to be cleared of the charges, and for he and Obi-Wan to be happy, and so anything that stands in the way-like Atel adhering to the Jedi rules-is going to elicit a negative response from readers. But she's very important to the story, and her reactions and inner thoughts are wonderful to read about. You write her beautifully and realistically. :clap: |
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| Draconus | Oct 5 2005, 05:49 PM Post #15 |
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Thanks, LE.
Unlike May who promised a happy ending, I have not. :chevil |
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| Kynstar | Oct 5 2005, 06:16 PM Post #16 |
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Oh my goodness diane!! This last chapter...oh my! Like I said in the post on tf.net who needs Palpy?? You got that bloody Council! Man!! The liars!! :angry: That poor dear begged and pleaded, but they don't give a hoot... they juz continue to pollute! ( :wacko: Ok I know that was lame... but it's true! They're evil! Who needs Sith when you got the??) |
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| HHP | Oct 5 2005, 08:30 PM Post #17 |
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Intellectually, I understand Atel. I think I do see her POV, and I like her more after what happened on the ship ride back. But I also know that the Jedi are being corrupted in this story, so Atel - in a way - represents that, since she was so adamant about doing what the Jedi wanted Obi-Wan to do.
I'd love it if you could explain that last bit, diane? I'm not sure what you mean. |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 03:01 AM Post #18 |
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Kynstar wrote:
LOL. I'll give you a hint. Not everyone on the Council is bad. :o Thanks! HHP wrote:
Now that makes sense. She has been brainwashed a bit that the Jedi (and since the Council is supposed to be the wisest of the wise) are guardians of peace and justice and that she should listen to them, so I can see that you would see her as part of the problem. She has indeed been corrupted.
Sure. No one is listening to what the other person is requesting. When Qui-Gon told Anakin that Qui was going to be the sacrifice, Anakin refused to accept it and fought Obi-Wan to try and prevent Qui-Gon from going. Qui-Gon had to stop Anakin before anyone was hurt. Even after he left, Anakin was insisting on rescue and Mace came down on him big time. Obi-Wan has been insisting that Qui-Gon escape (on Naboo), then he keeps defending Qui-Gon before the Council even though Qui-Gon said that he should let it go - repeatedly. Qui-Gon knows that it is the will of the Force that he be incarcerated and he's afraid that he could bring Obi-Wan down with him. Obi-Wan just won't listen. It got him into trouble and now he's in the cell. In the same way, Atel has not been listening to Obi-Wan and keeps trying to get him to pull back and let Qui-Gon go. Of course, she's doing it for Obi-Wan's sake and, in a small way, for her own. But she thinks she is doing the right thing for the right reasons but she's not. So it's really the same note in a musical score. All the Padawans are trying to save their Masters from destruction - even when the Masters are telling them no. It's a deliberate thing. I like repetitions of themes, to emphasize the storyline and to show that, even though they are different people with different agendas, they all have similar goals - love and the protection of those they love. |
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| Healer Leona | Oct 6 2005, 04:03 AM Post #19 |
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Must admit I'm one of those haters.... well hate is a strong word, but I wouldn;t mind seeing Atel be the one to sacrifice herself for the story.
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:o She may think she's doing the right thing, but it looks like it's more for herself than anything and that includes for her master. It's her own desire that he not be hurt that motivates her, regardless of what he may instruct. Plus she did indeed get raised wtih very skewed ideas, she is not a child. She should certainly have seen enough to know the damn Council has their own agenda and plan to kill Qui-Gon while using him as an example 'bad Jedi', no matter what evidence they may have brought with them. The woman should get a clue! Now while I would love to know what you have planned, I do not really want too. It's the journey that pleases me greatly and yours has been pleasurable. Edit:: And I thoroughly agree with your assessment of why Qui-Gon. He is the epitome of what a Jedi Knight should always be. |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 05:24 AM Post #20 |
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:o Well, that's a good enough reason. I was just curious. Considering the way I've organized the storyline, I really can't change her very much from my initial vision or the rest of the story won't ring true. At least, I've written an OC that people feel passionately about, even if it's hate (or dislike). I like her, I've actually met people like her in real life. :/ They can be great fun to be around or hell on wheels depending. Thanks for telling me. Now I have a question for my readers. As I've said, people will live and people will die in Betrayal. I know who most of them are but I'm still waffling on a few. So who would you like to live and who would you like to die? This is your golden opportunity to influence the writer....LOL. :mwhaha :pop: |
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| Princess Banana | Oct 6 2005, 05:30 AM Post #21 |
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Come now, my lady. As if you're really going to be influenced. Lord, if I could...
:D But I have a pretty good idea of who's going to die - I've been visualizing it for ages (yes, in that OC vig I told you I might write. ) Must go and savour your post. |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 05:36 AM Post #22 |
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Actually P_A, I could be influenced on a few....
:D I really am undecided about a couple of them. Hope you like the post! At least it's the last major one with the Council - thankfully. Those darn conversations/arguments are hard to write for me. |
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| HHP | Oct 6 2005, 04:15 PM Post #23 |
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Don't kill any of the good guys! :o Only kill the bad ones! ;) |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 04:19 PM Post #24 |
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Define good. :P Some of my good ones might be bad to you... :o |
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| KnightDilettante | Oct 6 2005, 04:21 PM Post #25 |
Frak! Was that rep 1 of set 3 or rep 3 of set 1?
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This is the "reason" for his glorious nakedness? Seems a bit thin to me.... I have to go get caught up on Betrayal tonight if I can manage it because trying to read this thread without getting spoiled is tough. KD |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 04:34 PM Post #26 |
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Wow, no one has ever told me that before. :o You don't want to get spoiled??? Cool. :D As for the Hey, I was tired. LOL. I'll have to come up with something better. Problem is that LE's icon and caption switching has been so inventive, I feel totally inadequate to the challenge. |
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| KnightDilettante | Oct 6 2005, 04:38 PM Post #27 |
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Frak! Was that rep 1 of set 3 or rep 3 of set 1?
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No I don't want to be spoiled for anything in Betrayal not even the tiniest detail. I keep telling you, woman, that that is one of the best pieces of fiction I have ever read. KD |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 05:34 PM Post #28 |
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KD, that is such a lovely thing to say. I just hope I don't disappoint you when it's all said and done but thank you. :8} I am working on the next post but it's very slow going. Qui-Gon is not cooperating. |
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| Kynstar | Oct 6 2005, 05:49 PM Post #29 |
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I so gotta feel for Qui... specially when they put Obi in there with him. He did not expect that
:( And Obi not liking down there... I don't think any Jedi would like it cuz it cuts off the Force from them. It's like taking the sight from somebody. The Force is something they have had since birth. And to all of a sudden have that stripped away!
:o It has to be hard :nerves: Let alone unsettling big time!! Can't wait diane, but take your time ;) we know we can depend on your work being awesome :D Never have ever let me down regardless of what work it was! :hug: |
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| KnightDilettante | Oct 6 2005, 05:55 PM Post #30 |
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I'm sure you won't.
He never does, does he? The fink. KD |
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| Draconus | Oct 6 2005, 06:16 PM Post #31 |
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Actually, Kynstar, it's worse than that. That particular cell doesn't just cut off the Force, which is bad enough but there's a feedback loop in there that adjusts to the soul-deep animal fears that we all have and augments them. So, for example, Obi-Wan was claustrophobic (in this story) and he felt like he was suffocating and being buried alive - he was terrified of it and he had no Force meditation or release to fall back on. (It's hinted at way, way back in the story). Qui-Gon's fear is different. It really is a torture chamber if you've been in there long enough. But there is no lasting physical damage when you come out. :o Thanks, Kyn. :D LOL. Yes, sometimes he can be very uncooperative. LOL. |
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| KnightDilettante | Oct 6 2005, 08:04 PM Post #32 |
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Well, I've caught up on Betrayal. I figured I better hurry up so I didn't have to avoid the thread. After several minutes of stunned silence I finally have a reaction: OMG! As usual, a series of completely amazing pieces. It'll probably take three days for me to get back enough confidence to start writing again. Damn you're good. And my gosh, what a dark vision of the Jedi Council that is. *shudders* Creepy creepy creepy. More? Please? Pretty please with a naked Jinn on top? KD |
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| Draconus | Oct 7 2005, 03:26 AM Post #33 |
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But if I have a naked Jinn on top, I'd not be writing, I'd be in ecstacy =P~ :faint: KD, you are really good for my ego. Thank you very much. :D Oh, I was pretty proud of the Council scenes. Trying to have several people argue at the same time and getting the reader not to be confused was hard. Plus I had to have just the right amount of creepiness and yet give myself an out for upcoming chapters without giving anything away was difficult. My readers are pretty quick to figure things out. |
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| Kynstar | Oct 7 2005, 04:36 AM Post #34 |
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Oh my freakin' Gilliard! :o It does that too?? :nerves: Poor Obi! Oh man... guess we get to see what Qui's fears are, eh? If they're in a cell together...maybe they can help each other out. That is a nifty idea there diane! No physical damage but maybe a lil psychological. Scary... one has to wonder what their true fear is. Some might know, but in actuality what they think they fear turns out to not be truly that! ;) |
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| Draconus | Oct 7 2005, 02:45 PM Post #35 |
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Yes, that was the reason that Obi-Wan stopped looking for Qui-Gon, The Council kept putting him in there to get him to obey them. He finally did but he's not happy to be back there. I'm writing the cell post now. It's been pretty hard.... I want it to be scary but not so awful that I'd have to take it to the mods for permission. And Qui-Gon isn't helping me! :( |
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| LuvEwan | Oct 7 2005, 02:54 PM Post #36 |
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:o Your caption, diane!
:o Your dirty woman, I never would have guessed.
:D I'm anticipating the cell post with much excitement. I be needing some angst! :bounce I thought that the background with the cell and Obi-Wan was so painfully poignant, especially when Qui-Gon found out about it. *sigh* Just wonderful. |
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| Princess Banana | Oct 7 2005, 07:13 PM Post #37 |
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I'm eagerly awaiting the cell post too. In fact, I thought this post 'would' be the cell post...
:D I can't wait to see how Obi and Qui get out of this one. If they do get out, that is. Evil author. I rather like Atel. She reminded me a lot of Obi-Wan in his younger days, and I found myself liking her after my initial resentment had passed. :D - especially where her devotion to Obi-Wan is concerned. I love the way she wants to 'mother' him. And the poor girl's found herself in a worse position, now. :( |
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| KnightDilettante | Oct 7 2005, 07:48 PM Post #38 |
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I think I know one reason why people are so annoyed with Atel. She's supposed to be an intelligent young woman. She has Obi-Wan's example in front of her. And yet she still blindly follows the seems-to-me-corrupted-if-not-outright-false teachings of this new rather icky Jedi Order. At some point she needs to start using her brain to recognize what is going on is not what she thought. After all, it is possible to triumph over your upbringing. And possibly there is an element of wanting her to use her feelings ala Luke (and Qui-Gon eh? those two are rather alike really aren't they?) and see how wrong this all is. For me anyway, that's probably it. Not that I want to kill her or anything. Just shake some sense into her. KD |
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| Draconus | Oct 8 2005, 06:46 AM Post #39 |
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Okay, now I'm worried. What if I don't deliver? What if I make it too dark or too light? Damn. I hope you won't be too disappointed. :( I'll do my best. Just don't kill me if I fail, okay... As for Atel, I can see both POVs. I agree that she is blinded by her training at the Temple and Obi-Wan's own example of doing his duty for the last 10 years with her around. Remember, he shielded her a lot in their relationship - to her detriment. Besides, I can't change it now. I'll just have to accept that I should have written her differently. This will teach me to write an epic. From now on, short stories or vignettes! I just realised that Betrayal is winding down pretty fast. I figure maybe 9 posts more, max. :o Hurray. :bounce Maybe I will actually get it done by Christmas. :swoon Oh, and my husband paid me a huge compliment this morning. I had thought he hadn't read my stuff beyond the first story I'd written but apparently he's been reading most of it. :o And he said I was good enough to do it professionally. Isn't he sweet!!! :wub: |
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| Princess Banana | Oct 8 2005, 07:12 AM Post #40 |
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Good God. Betrayal is winding down????? I thought it'd be there forever - then I would have tons of good stuff to read - Diane, how could you do this to me??? <cries> Congratulations on a magnificent job - you're doing extremely well, and there's no talk of 'failing'. M'lady, it's a masterpiece. :D And you're hubby's right. :D |
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| LuvEwan | Oct 8 2005, 07:45 AM Post #41 |
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That was so sweet of him to say. It sounds like you have a good husband in him, diane.
:) And he's very right. Don't worry about disappointing anyone. It's impossible. |
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| Draconus | Oct 10 2005, 02:11 PM Post #42 |
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Wow, I think that if I can hear back from the mods before Thursday, I might actually have a post. I sent the torment parts off to Leona for modish approval/comments/sending it on to the other mods... and I think I've got about a page more of dialogue to fill in and then it's ready to go... well, as ready as it's going to be. More like, you'll read it and think I've lost my mind.
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| LuvEwan | Oct 10 2005, 02:22 PM Post #43 |
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We've thought that for a long time, diane. Don't you worry. :D |
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| Princess Banana | Oct 11 2005, 03:09 AM Post #44 |
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Did mine eyes deceive me? Has she actually got a post????? [size=7]YAHHHHHHHHHH!!![/size] :yahoo I shall wait until the moddesses send it back to you. If I can, that is. Lots of torment - oooh....and knowing your angst techniques, I know I'll go ga-ga over it. :D Just let them both be alive at the end of it - preferably in each other's arms (no, not like that - but I daresay you know), and you will be ever blessed by the Goddess of Words. :ha |
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| Draconus | Oct 11 2005, 03:33 AM Post #45 |
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The moddesses have given it an okay so I'll be posting on Thursday. I have finished it but have a few changes to make, mostly cleanup. The next post will be harder so don't expect anything anytime soon. |
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| Draconus | Oct 12 2005, 03:14 PM Post #46 |
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Okay it's up. I hope it isn't crap. I'll talk about it later. My kid needs to go to the store. |
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| LuvEwan | Oct 12 2005, 03:30 PM Post #47 |
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That was...I must have time to digest before I properly reply. One of those posts where my contacts start popping out, I'm focusing so hard on the screen. :wacko: |
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| Kynstar | Oct 12 2005, 03:51 PM Post #48 |
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Crap? Crap??!! What in blazes gave you that idea, my Lady? It's awesome! Those poor guys...having to hurt each other to keep them from going back into the fear filled state!
:( Poor men need some TLC! Loved the 'I have some digging to do.' :lol: I'm sorry, but it was hilarious! Obi most definitely has his sense of humor still! |
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| Draconus | Oct 12 2005, 04:18 PM Post #49 |
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Obi-Wan has some gallow humor. I noticed it in TPM so I used it here. It was that or succumb to fear again. Where did I get the idea? Well, Qui-Gon needs to be afraid of fire for..... errrr, he needs to be afraid of fire. Obi-Wan's fear of being buried alive was from much earlier in the story. I wanted them both to have deep-seated fears that they could not really fight in the cell and I didn't want them to have the same fears since I figured it would lessen the impact. As for fighting fear with pain, sometimes it has been said that pain gives you a focus. I noticed that I was less terrified of flying when my leg hurt so bad so I used that - adrenalin rush and all. I also noticed that sometimes pain in a certain spot will lessen even if you jostle it which is why they had to spread the wealth as it were. I hope, LE, that it wasn't crappy. I was worried about this post a lot. I must have changed the beginning at least 10 times plus I had the mods look at it because of pain/ pyschological torture issues. I felt bad for poor Jade. I'd asked her a while back about whether FAQs covered psychological torture and she didn't know...LOL. |
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| Perky McSkittles | Oct 12 2005, 04:25 PM Post #50 |
LE thinks I look like this. Is it accurate? ...Yes
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You should be ashamed of yourself... Thinking that your work is crap! I doubt you could write crap if you tried! Don't get me wrong, the chapter was horrible... But the writing was wonderful as always. Just out of curiosity, where did you get the ideas for Obi's and Qui's fears from? Edit: This is what happens when I see your post here rush over to the JC to read it and then post without refreshing the page! :wacko: |
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