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selling chometz; What ddo you sell?
Topic Started: Feb 25 2006, 11:45 PM (282 Views)
U Tarzan Me Jane
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Heres a question for y'all.....

Do you sell chometz gamor? I see many people who are paraniod, about having flour, pasta, ceral ect. in thier house before peasach. I just wondered why anyone would be soooooo worried?

Honestly I don't understand the whole, not having real chometz sold thing. After Peasach everyone makes a mad dash tto the grocery store to buy all the chometz that the store has sold over peasach, so What is the difference between the stores chometz that has been sold, and the chometz in your cabinet that is sold?

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we do not sell hometz & we do not by hometz after Pesah in the stores that sold their hometz for a sertain amount of time.
It's a mad rash, b/c there are about 2 weeks untill the questionable goods reach the shelves, and the 'hometz we buy after Pesah has to last us untill all the questionable goods are off the shelves.

Questionable goods include those that:

1. were sold by non-religious Jews but stillused on Pesah (which is more or less stealing (I don't think they realise it), but is better then owning hometz on Pesah)

2. Were aquired by the Jews ON Pesah and are forbiden for consumption.

3. Any other hometz that was owned by a Jew on Pesah.

PS most ppl try to get rid of it b/c it's impractical to store so much hometz, even sold, when the entire kitchen is 'turned over' and Pesadic stuff needs to be placed somewhere.

PPS you will be surprised how many store chains & suppliers have Jewish co-owners.
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we do not sell chometz gamor. but can someone please remind me what is and what isn't chometz gamor?
IS:
flour
cereals w/ one of 5 grains
pasta
bread, cakes, cookies (duh)

NOT:
kitnios
vinegar (we asked this last year i think)
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We do not keep chometz gamor if we can help it. We try to eat it up or get rid of it instead of selling it.

My reason is two fold.

1 I learned that the reason for the cheter (leaniency) to sell cometz was specifically for those industries where the complete removal of cometz would cause them a finacial loss they might never recover from. A single family doesn't have that type of loss usually so DH and I feel it's better to mimimize our dependency on this.

2 That we can't really hold on to it and keep it from the bugs issues here. I would have to store it in our laundry room or in the shed and neither place is insect secure.

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In Chabad, we davka keep something chametz. The halachic reasoning of the Alter Rebbe is that if the sale is not serious, you can't sell anything. If its real then who cares what you sell. If it wasn't effective there would be no grounds for the universal heter we have to sell the chametz of the store (hefsed mrubah-great loss). The effectiveness of the sale is depending on how seriously you take it. If you consider it not real, a formality then its not good for the possible chametz on your pans. That is why when I lived in Rechovot, R'Simcha Kook brought the goy to random frum houses and let the goy check out his purchase. He is chief rabbi of Rechovot and a major kashrut figure here and he meant business.

An annoying thing is people will ask us to take presents of chametz because they don't want to be over the very real issur of baal tashchit. The nearest goyim to us are not really on such terms that we would give them free food, or anything else. The rebetzin in my old community said that she hates that the neighbors use her as their Pesach goy.

As to things baked after Pesach, the rav of our yishuv said no company (at least here in Israel) throws the old stuff away. They just put it storage until people stop looking to see if it was done after Pesach and bring it back out. He is head of kashrut for rabbanut Shomron, works with all the local hechsherim and is under the person guidance of R' Elyashiv and R' Efrati.
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We always sold chometz except for bread. however, the older i get the harder it is to pack and unpack and shlep from the kitchen to the bedroom and up & down ladders. So this year we are getting our pantry as bare as possible. (It is already quite desolate and so are the children.) When the community has its annual charity food drive, I will give away almost everything (which is not all that much by now.) That takes care of sealed packages of nonperishables. We also have to liquidate our frozen foods b/c we need the space for Pesach.

Of course, after Pesach, when I have no tomato sauce, frozen veggies or other staples, I may be sorry. But not very.

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They had a thing last year that they asked people to donate their food instead of chucking it and the organization would sell it. After Pesach they distributed it to needy people who didn't care about the issue.

We also have to freeze and sell a large amt of pitot and flour (for mufletas) for the Moroccans who have Maimuna motzei Pesach..
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rikal
Mar 31 2006, 05:22 AM
In Chabad, we davka keep something chametz. The halachic reasoning of the Alter Rebbe is that if the sale is not serious, you can't sell anything. If its real then who cares what you sell. If it wasn't effective there would be no grounds for the universal heter we have to sell the chametz of the store (hefsed mrubah-great loss). The effectiveness of the sale is depending on how seriously you take it. If you consider it not real, a formality then its not good for the possible chametz on your pans. That is why when I lived in Rechovot, R'Simcha Kook brought the goy to random frum houses and let the goy check out his purchase.

do u expect to get your hometz back after Pesah or do u call your Rav to check if the goy agreed to sell the hometz back this year?
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I get a monthly email from R' Dovid Heber (from Baltimore). He is a Rav of a shul and works for the Star-K. He sends this email to all former-students. Anyway he has some hilchos Pesach in it, and this is what it said:
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Individuals who do not sell “real chometz” may still sell the following products:                                     

Vinegar and condiments containing vinegar (e.g. ketchup), yeast (baker’s), flour (without malted barley), barley (if pearled, packaged, and raw), cosmetics, cleaners, and personal care items containing chometz, as well as medicine and vitamin tablets containing chometz. All of these items are not considered “real chometz.”


it's funny cuz the past few months, i've been trying like crazy to bake to get rid of all my flour. now, i can relax and even stock up on some that's on sale this week!!!
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Hang on!!!

Vinegar could be hometz baised.

Even a bigger question is FLOUR:

if it's bleached it was washed in order to bleech it and it's HOMETZ GAMUR.

I do not know about whole wheat flour and not bleached flour.
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i'll ask my dh again, fg. but when i told him about the flour he said that he heard the same thing from our Rav at a Hilchos Pesach shiur on sun. night.
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We sell chometz gamur. Yekkish minhag.
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rikal
Mar 31 2006, 05:22 AM
In Chabad, we davka keep something chametz. The halachic reasoning of the Alter Rebbe is that if the sale is not serious, you can't sell anything. If its real then who cares what you sell. If it wasn't effective there would be no grounds for the universal heter we have to sell the chametz of the store (hefsed mrubah-great loss). The effectiveness of the sale is depending on how seriously you take it. If you consider it not real, a formality then its not good for the possible chametz on your pans. That is why when I lived in Rechovot, R'Simcha Kook brought the goy to random frum houses and let the goy check out his purchase.

do u expect to get your hometz back after Pesah or do u call your Rav to check if the goy agreed to sell the hometz back this year?

You don't have to. Its on the goy to take it by a specified date. If he doesn't show up he forfeits his right to the stuff but gets his deposit back. if he came in the middle of the week and wanted the key to the machsan of the store we would have to give it to him.
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interesting.
when is the time? - i'm just curious.
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we sell chametz gamur too.
my rav is very against people selling their entire house though.
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