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Allergies...
Topic Started: Apr 22 2006, 06:26 PM (1,120 Views)
realeez
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chavamom
Apr 24 2006, 02:50 PM
She will probably get more 'spit' with formula than breastmilk.

Just curious, but why?
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realeez- babies tend to overeat more with formula than when nursing.
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imho, your friend needs 2 things:

good nursing support group where ppl will appreciate what she does (dh included)
and a doctor who can guide her in allergy woods - help her figure out exactly what her kid is alergic to.

Ds nursed for 2 hrs every 2 hrs in the 1st month and every 3 hrs night and day for who knows how long. It was very very very difficult for me, and I do not think I would have lasted that long if not for dh's constant support.

As far as diet - it is very very hard. I had to do a diabetic diet and I still cannot stand some foods I ate at the time.

So, generally, I agree with our Chavamommas.
OTOH, it's easy to discuss it here while she's there, having hard time with it......
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Apr 24 2006, 03:51 PM
realeez- babies tend to overeat more with formula than when nursing.

Also causes more reflux.
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Wow.. lots to try and reply to.

First, when she had milk or soy of any kind during her entire pregnancy she's cough up phlemn from her lungs, and sometimes there was blood in it. She couldn't even have some prenatals that were made on factories were made with milk. She eliminated everything from her diet. She doesn't eat meat or eggs and she couldn't even eat french fries if they touched milk, not whey or anything, either. Her dh isn't Jewish and wasn't very understanding. She could only eat so much parave. The minute after she gives birth she can eat whatever she wants and her body is fine. Allergists, OB's, RE's have all poo poo'd her and told her that it's nothing.

She finds it too taxing on her body to bf around the clock and she wants to supplement the baby at night. After she nurses for the hour she still needs to give him a bottle because he is still hungry. She doesn't want to call LLL because they've made her feel bad in the past. A lot of her friends bf so she has the support, but really, she isn't looking for it. She wants her coffee in the AM, ice cream, pizza, ziti, whatever.

I don't judge her, I just try to help. I bf for 4 months with Hallie but had to stop because I had strep 4 times while bf her. The first 3 times while on antibiotics I saw a major difference in her and by the 4th time I called it quits. I put her on alimentum since regular milk/soy gave her awful rash. She thrived. I put her on Lactaid milk after, while introducing dairy in yogurt/cheese, and then I put her on regular milk and she's fine now.

Her dh is not overly supportive in anything she does but that is a whole other story. She won't bf in public, nor will she sit home to do it. That, I believe is a whole other story.

Barbie

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okay- as to her reaction while preg. its not the baby- its her body. Doesn't mean the baby has allergies or that the child will have a reaction to the specific foods she was reacting to. Its her body reacting to wacked out hormones. I have a few things I react personally more to when preg. In fact I have one thing I react to very badly only in my first trimester and is usually a dead giveaway to us that I am preg. I also react with hives to lemons when preg and neither of the boys have issues with them.

Her situation with an ED or TED almost impossible. The only way I got through it was with help from dh. But going away and visiting family and friends was hard cause they just didn't get it. I was SO lonely during the TED with tev and very uncomfortable when we went out of town CAUSE honestly one little cross contamination would have contaminated my milk and I couldn't trust people who were 100% behind me.

Everyone is different. I found that having to go on the TED took me to task on the whole "I would do anything for my child" comment. To me this was doing anything. For others- its their life, their lifestyle. Some people can not deal.
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That's just it. She's doing everything SHE can for her the baby. (or everything she is willing to do....). But it seems that with both pregancies when she reacts to something, the baby has the same reaction later. Her dh is very unsupportive in most of her decisions. I'm not exactly his biggest fan, but that's so not my business. I just want to help her get help for the baby...

People think I'm nuts and dd's nursery school because I try to get on her level and talk to her about things. Their motto is "a happy mom is a happy baby". I've always tried to sacrifice if necessary. We don't always get along. This time I might have problems because of my sleep apnea. I'm working with 4 dr's though on what to do after the baby is born. BF or FF. I desperately want to BF, but if I am still on ambien or an anti anxiety medication, we have to find one that will work with what I have and is ok for baby. If I'm taking a class C or more, is it still better to BF? Is it worth the risk? I can't exactly give up sleep, and I'm never be able to fall asleep on my own because my body won't let me. What to do.. what is better....

Barbie
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Apr 24 2006, 06:22 PM
Her dh is not overly supportive in anything she does but that is a whole other story.

True, but it also explains why it's so taxing on her - she has no support where she needs it the most - at home.

The way you described it now, it seems to me that she needs a mental break to get back to her own sences b/c doing this on her own is very very hard. She can't fight against 2 things at the same time.

Send her some hugs from us!!!!
Hope all goes well for her and the baby. :hugs
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Barbie, did you ever see the website rxlist.com? - they have all the meds and precautions. hth!

Whatever decision will make YOU be the best mother will be the best for your children!
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This sounds so hard. I am not convinced that the baby has allergies. What does the pediatrician say? They don't test for allergies until 4 months. I am not convinced that what she felt during pregnancy reflects anything in the baby. Does she have a history of asthma, eczema, or allergies?

What if she keeps nursing without going on a diet? The baby is still very young, so all the gas, spit up, etc. could just be a normal stage that will pass very soon.

It's great that you're helping her in such a difficult situation.

As far as your situation, I don't know much about sleep apnea, but I am wondering if there might be some homeopathic solutions. Have you looked into that? For anxiety, there are Bach flower remedies that are supposed to help.
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I'm confused. It doesn't sound like the baby has allergies at all.
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thanks for the rxlist.com, it's going to be a great guide. Sadly, right now, homeopathic doesn't work because sleep apnea is a physical abnormality in my throat. I am dealing with a 2 part issue: not falling asleep and not staying asleep. I used to fall asleep but couldn't stay that way. That part is apnea. Now that it's been so long anxiety about sleep has set in, and that part must be treated as such. I have to wait for the baby to be born to try anything other than ambien, but I'm getting help and seeing the right people.

As for my friend, she feels the baby has allergies and collic. He was awake the other night screaming and arching his back for like 12 hours. We use the same pediatrician and he's pretty lax about things. Babies cry.. if they bleed bring them in type of thing.

Anyway, I haven't heard from her yet today to see how his night went. She does need a mental break (don't we all sometimes!) and she could use less resistance at home. Her dh isn't fighting with her on all this, just not helping to make thing easier, kwim? But it sounds like she wants a different solution to BF anyway, so that's why I'm helping. I'd support her either way, but I will not talk her into or out of anything.

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barbie- honestly, it doesn't sound really like allergies. You never know though. Also her own anxiety can and will effect the baby. So it could be some of that...
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She's taking him to a ped. gastroen... I think I'll let her just handle it. She has an appointment in 6 weeks, so if he outgrows it, fine, if not, she feels better having an appointment. Honestly.. the kid went from preemie to 3-6 month size in under 6 weeks. I can't imagine that he's got an allergy either, but, whatever. Maybe one he flips his days and nights things will be different....

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Yup. doesn't sound like allergies to me.

Also, if she doesn't eat meat or fish or eggs (vegetarian?) then that's a very poor diet if she cannot eat dairy. This is a choice she;s making to choose this above the needs of her child. How sad. (sorry, I don;t mean to be condescending).

If parents want to be vegetarian, or macro, fine, but they should NOT make their kids do that, as kids need much more protein and such in their diets. (and by virtue of the fact that she's nursing, the kid is getting what she eats. If she's nursing, she really needs more meat for iron and protein to have proper energy.
(frankly, she may need it even if she weren't nursing, to have the energy to care for a baby).

Sad that she gets little encouragement from home. I find that when people are 'uptight' about breastfeeding, won't nurse (covered) in public, or even at home, then they are already setting themselves up for failure.

There is nothing untsnius about a mom sitting to nurse her kid, especially if you put a blanket over the baby (the younger you start this, the less likely your baby will fuss when a blanket is used later on in the fidgety stage).

Obviously, a happy mom will be better for baby's development and care. I just get so annoyed when people make excuses for their choices, and blame outside factors (which seem imagined here!), when they 'just don't feel like nursing' - sad. Poor baby. I imagine that as the child grows up, the parents will continue to make decisions that are not in the best interest of the child.

---End of Rant----

-Chavi
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