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| realeez | Apr 25 2006, 07:27 PM Post #61 |
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With my 2nd, it was suggested to put him in his carseat or swing - semi propped for an hour after each feeding to cut down on the spitting up and it helped a bit. just trying to help! Don't know where to nurse in a park! Got me stumped, LOL! |
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| FlowerGirl | Apr 25 2006, 08:14 PM Post #62 |
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w/ dd I nursed everywhere, and it was a lifesaver for me. Really, a t-shirt w/ a shirt over it cover it all. If she needs to feel 'safer', a blanket thrown over the baby will do the job. (at least did it for me). I'm glad to hear she's sticking to breastfeeding. But can she find a better doc for the baby? I'd go nuts with a doc like that and actually switched, b/c being told "watch him" after ds was throwing up all over and I had no linens or pajamas left, didn't sit well with me. I am very happy w/ the new doctor. A great remedy for colic is dill water: cook some dill and give baby some of water to drink. PS Just a note: a friend gave her kid reflux meds for who knows how long only to discover that he is just allergic to milk. |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 07:59 AM Post #63 |
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The car seat and swing idea are great. She does that as often as possible and there is some other contraption for little ones like a boppy that helps them to sit up during this difficult time, but it's not a bobby and holds them better. The doctor she uses (I use him too) is the best in the area. His practice has been around forever and everyone I know from age 35 down used them. There aren't too many other dr's around as well respected. I'll tell her about the dill water, that sounds interesting. She's rather try that than reflux medicine, especially since she does feel he's allergic to milk. |
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| Chavelamomela | Apr 26 2006, 10:04 AM Post #64 |
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Okay, that's your perspective. I NEVER gave my child a bottle of formula. I never WANT to give him formula. Giving a baby even one bottle of formula can hurt your milk supply. My baby gets pumped bottles of milk when I am at work. The only time I ever fed my baby a bottle (of breastmilk) was the 24 hours after my knee surgery, when the anesthesiologist told me that I cannot nurse. So I had to pump & dump my milk. If I don't feel comfortable nursing in public (it depends on where I am), for instance, in shul, I will go to a private room or a bathroom and nurse there. I have nursed my baby while wearing him in the sling, and nobody can even tell that he's nursing. In my mind the sling is even more discreet than a blanket! My MIL and I have a discussion about nursing often. She nursed her babies for about 18 months each, a very respectable amount of time. She never felt comfortable nursing in public, because she found the sensation of the baby suckling at the nipple to be a very sensory experience. Fine, so she found a quiet place (her car, a quiet room, a dressing room, etc) to nurse. Okay, she didn;t nurse in public (and nobody says she has to!)but she breastfed her child. Okay, this was all really parenthetical. My point is really that the harder this mother makes it on herself, the less likely she is to stay committed to breastfeeding. Kol Hakavod that you nursed for all that time. That's great. You don't HAVE to be a 'public' nurser to be succesful at nursing (and BTW, I am NOT a public nurser in the classic sense - there are women who flash their breasts around when NIPing, when they could be a little more discreet). My point is, that the lack of support from her DH, plus her uptight attitude (she said she was also uncomfortable nursing in her own HOME! - that's uptight!) makes her doomed to failure. The fact that she didn't seek support also doesn;t help - and that's something she COULD have done to help her situation, but she didn't. |
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| realeez | Apr 26 2006, 10:13 AM Post #65 |
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I don't see how if I nurse my ds/dd at 9 am, give formula at 11 am and then nurse at 12:30 it would hurt my milk supply more than you who could nurse at 9 am and give a bottle of PUMPED milk at 11 and nurse at 12:30! Unless you are actually pumping at that same time, your body has no clue that you are giving pumped milk vs formula!!! You don't have to give formula - I did and had it not been suggested to me that I could give odd ones, I dont think i would have kept up so long! B"H, I have never had a problem with milk supply. Having a problem nursing in one's own home is a separate issue. |
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| Chavelamomela | Apr 26 2006, 10:14 AM Post #66 |
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Wow, does she need a sling!!! Slings are super helpful for mom's who have several children - they can wear (and even nurse will hidden) the baby in the sliing at the same time that they can watch their 3 yo child. I am somewhat well-endowed and have found that the trick to NIP modestly is to wear an open buttoned-down shirt over a t-shirt (or shell, or whatever). This way, when you put the baby on the breast, your side is covered too. HAllie'smom, I didn't mean to come across so hostile. I was simply expressing how sad it is that this mom doesn't have the support that she clearly needs. Not to mention, she also could use some new information. As others stated, the baby's problems do not seem to be nursing problems! Reflux can be a serious issue. BTW, babywearing also helps colicy babies relax. Also, if the baby's pediatrician is not helpful, my advice is to find another doctor. You need to address these reflux issues, not switch to formula. Good luck to your friend! -Chavi |
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| lilac7 | Apr 26 2006, 10:23 AM Post #67 |
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I didn't read the whole thread, only the beginning, but my baby was spitting up so much that after each time I nursed him I had to change both his and my clothes - He spit up over everything. Also it was all over the floor. It was very hard. He nursed all the time, and when he didn't he cried all the time. He gained weight very well though, and he didn't have any allergies. He was given Zantac for reflux. I was told to stop eating dairy,and a lot of other food, so I almost didn't eat anything for a few months. Now he's 11 months and he's fine. It all disappeared by around 6 months. |
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| Chavelamomela | Apr 26 2006, 10:27 AM Post #68 |
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With doctors, it doesn't matter sometimes how well recommended or how well-respected a doc is. like any other relationship, a doctor-patient relationship is a shidduch (match) and sometimes, it just doesn't work for some people. In your friend's situation, she should find another doctor, even if they are not the one that everyone else goes to. There is a doc in my area that many of my friends use for their kids. Everyone was recommending them. I decided to ask some of my natural-minded friends and acquantances (my birth instructor and my midwife, for instance), for recommendations. I wanted a doc who would be accepting of my attachment-parenting style and understand that I would ask a lot of questions (DH is a dr) and that I may not do what other parents do just because it's what e/o else does. So I chose a dif't doc who I am thrilled with. Another friend of mine, let's call her "jane" was having problems with her dd - night wakings, etc. The pediatrician told her to let the baby cry it out. She refused, and the night wakings continued for a couple of months, until the parents realized that the child had a dairy allergy (the day they didn't give her yogurt at night, she slept well.). So they were very upset that the docotor never considered a food allergy for their baby's problem and they saw that the shidduch between the doc and patient that had worked when the baby was younger wasn't working anymore. So I recommended My pediatrician to Jane. Turns out, that Jane's original doctor (who missed the allergy) was this popular doc that "everyone" loves. So dont be afraid of choosing something dif't for your child, especially when it's for your child's health! |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 10:30 AM Post #69 |
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I'll share all this new info with her. If she's interested, I'm sure she'll give it a try. Mostly, the fact that he's nursing constantly, and not getting enough, and she doesn't want him hanging on her, I can't imagine she'd want to go to babywearing. But it's a great idea so I'll pass it along. Any decision must be made by her... oh, and to avoid any confusion, she's not uncomfortable nursing at home, but she doesn't want to do it all the time. Every few hours is different that constantly. She wants to be able to leave the baby at home with her dh or her parents and run errands and they can feed him. Her dh has no problem with her bf, he's just not a very supportive person in general. It's just that her entire support system is supporting her decision to supplement. She won't give her up morning coffee, but went to lactaid milk and the baby seems ok with that... the alimentum that is premade also seems to be agreeing with him more as well. He was born 2 weeks early and I think his digestive system is just underdeveloped and maybe instead of feeling better at 6 weeks, he'll be better at 8. Or it's reflux and they'll catch it. The kid just keeps growing and getting bigger so I think they are doing something right.... Barbie |
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| Chavelamomela | Apr 26 2006, 10:37 AM Post #70 |
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I only give my baby pumped milk when I am at work. I pump at approximately the same time he eats, so my supply coordinates with his feedings. As for giving baby a bottle - this is actually one of the things that many moms are misinformed about. The formula companies make you feel that "just one bottle" and you'll have some sanity. However, what they don't tell you is that if you give "just one bottle" your supply, which is based upon the demand your baby makes at your breast, will adjust to this reduced need and make less. And often, when the supply reduces, it reduces too much, so the mom finds she needs to supplement with even more formula...and so it's a vicious cycle. As for pumping earlier for a later feeding (pumping at 9pm for the midnight feeding so you can sleep), it really depends on your supply. Some people have no problems with this, while others do. I would be very careful about this. A practical solution, as other moms posted here, is to let the baby sleep with you in the bed (or bring him in when he wakes up the first time) so you can sleep (even half-sleep during a nursing) and don't have to get up. If you're worried about safety, intall a child-bar (like for a toddler bed) so the baby won't fall off. We did this and it works well. Good luck to your friend. Glad she chose to continue BFing for now - yes, the diet limitations are hard, but with her child's reflux and such, switching now could be a lot worse. |
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| zuncompany | Apr 26 2006, 10:39 AM Post #71 |
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Slings don't work for everyone. I have done it and tried MANY... my kids HATED nursing in the sling. Sometimes I did it anyway (had to nurse once at the grocery store) but you won't be successful nursing if you or the baby is uncomfortable. I don't find Barbie's friend uptight- I find her pretty normal for our society today. Its called different perspectives. Also I know LOTS of women who give some formula here and there and NEVER had nursing issues AT ALL! Neither of my kids have been given formula. Zu saw one bottle of pumped milk and tev never even knew what a bottle was. HOWEVER that doesn't make me a better mom. It just means my circumstances allowed me to do this. I am home with my kids and Zu was happy to allow me to nurse Tev whenever he wanted cause he is a very independant child and was happy to play by my feet when Tev needed me. However I avoided at all costs going to places like the park by myself while Tev was EBFing cause I do wouldn't have been able to handle it with Zu. This summer the park will be with a mother's help cause I can't imagine the two of them and a nursing baby. things change a LOT when your running after a toddler. Even wih a sling it would be HARD! |
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| zuncompany | Apr 26 2006, 10:43 AM Post #72 |
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Barbie- so true btw about when they are born a bit early. Even two weeks can make a difference. We saw that with Tev who was born at 37 weeks. Zu seemed okay at 38 weeks though. every kid is different. about pumping- it doesn't work for everyone. If I did what you do Chavelamomela I would have no supply. Pumping does not empty my breasts. I have tried hospital pumps, the expensive homes ones like PIS, and the handheld ones. They don't empty me. So for ME pumping would kill my supply. Everyone is different. For some women one bottle of formula a day will hurt them, for others it would make NO difference. |
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| lilac7 | Apr 26 2006, 10:45 AM Post #73 |
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Sleeping together with a baby isn't for everyone. I could never nurse lying down, even though I tried many times. Also, my baby spit up so much that I had to burp him for a long time after each feeding so i had to get up anyway. In addition to that he wouldn't automatically fall asleep after feeding, so again, I had to get up , hold him, etc.. Sleeping together would not solve anything. |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 10:48 AM Post #74 |
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thanks Sara. It's true, not everyone can use a sling or pump. I like to think we are all doing the best we can. I nursed for so much longer than most of my friends, but I am not better than them, and so much less than other people and I'm not worse. I've gotten so much support here for her, I'm grateful. I was even able to get advice from you all on my nursing/ambien issue. If people have more advice on that topic I'd be interested in learning more. I find that I do not get much support from dr's, and I have a bunch. No one seems to know anything. I am reading from the websites I was previously given, but if anyone has any experience.... Sleep apnea with a new born... yuck. Barbie |
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| realeez | Apr 26 2006, 10:53 AM Post #75 |
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thank you Sara for what you said. I have never had issues with supply due to giving bottles. No formula company "convinced" that I had to give a bottle! Also, my baby was sleeping thru the night for a few weeks and then stopped and I didn't have issues with not having milk in the middle of the night either. I think that people who have issues with milk supply to begin with issues will have problems whatever they do or don't do! |
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