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| Chavelamomela | Apr 26 2006, 10:58 AM Post #76 |
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aishes chayil
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BTW, Sara, you're right that pumping effects your supply. It hasn't always been a bed of roses for me to pump, but I was very determined and worked at it very hard. When the baby was little, pumping and my supply were no problem. When the baby got to be around 5 months (and I wasn't anywhere near ready for solids, and bb wasn;t showing interest in food), my supply dropped a bunch. I was very worried until I spoke with my friend, who is a LLL counselor, and she advised me to take 2 herbal supplements: -Mother's milk tea and fenugreek (pills). It really helped. I took them both religiously for about 2 months. Even after I introduced solids at 6.5 months, baby still nursed a lot, so I needed/wanted to maintain a good supply. I work at it constantly. I try to keep my pumpings regular (I now pump 2x a day, and my baby is over a year). My supply has certainly diminished now that the baby has 3 meals a day, and I have to work at it. Also, when you use the pump, and your supply starts to drop, you may need to manually help the pump, by massaging the breasts as you pump. Also, you need to wait for the 2nd let-down. This doesn't work for everyone, but it has helped me. As I said, you have to work at it, and it requires a real commitment. I was determined that this is what I want for my child, so I took the time and effort to make it work for me. Some other mothers asked me if I am worried about my child, why don't I just switch to formula during the day, so that I'll know that the baby is getting enough. Believe it or not, nursing, and pumping actually makes me more RELAXED about these worries - I know my baby is getting the best for him, and that reassures me that he is getting what he needs. Whenever I take my DS to the pediatrician, she tells me "i never see you (because he has never had a sick visit) - whatever you're doing, keep doing it, because it works!" - with that kind of reassurance and support, i know I am doing the best I can for my son and that he's healthy. That's the best comfort and peace of mind that a mom can have! |
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| zuncompany | Apr 26 2006, 11:12 AM Post #77 |
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pumping is hard work but the things woman do to boost supply also don't work for everyone. Tev had real issues with a lot of them and his allergies. Anything I put into my body went into him through my milk. When he went back to EBFing at 7 months (he introduced solids to himself at 6 months- big brothers are big helps in this department!) and had to completely eliminate ALL solids again I thought how will I do this? How will I have enough milk. B"H just keeping him on a few days all day worked for us. He was ALWAYS hungry though and it was hard on me and my body. Once my supply built back up to allow me to nurse him as if he was a newborn once again things got better. Tev besides the allergies never had a single cold or virus until this past month. Zu on the other hand nursed just as much and I delayed solids until about 7 months had sinus infection after sinus infection. No guarentees! |
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| chavamom | Apr 26 2006, 12:41 PM Post #78 |
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Bala Buste
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It really doesn't sound like he is 'not getting enough'. He has a very respectable weight gain. Most likely he is nursing constantly for comfort, which is very common with babies with reflux AND colic. |
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| realeez | Apr 26 2006, 12:44 PM Post #79 |
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and my dd who is addicted, LOL! :) |
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| chavamom | Apr 26 2006, 12:48 PM Post #80 |
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Bala Buste
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Have you looked at Dr. Thomas Hale's book on medications and breastfeeding? It is the ultimate resource. If a med isn't in there, he has a website that posts updates as well. Do you use a CPAP for your sleep apnea? |
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| chavamom | Apr 26 2006, 12:50 PM Post #81 |
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Sorry - got distracted by a phone call. I was going to post that I have just btdt with reflux/constantly nursing baby the whole 9 yards. Thank G-d she has outgrown it by 6 mos and we didn't use meds, but it was a trying few mos and she was pretty miserable and still isn't a great sleeper. Just what you need for #7. |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 01:28 PM Post #82 |
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Rebbetzin
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I tried the Cpap but it didn't work. I just met with a dr. to get the dental appliance which is for people who can't use the Cpap... Yes, I heard of Dr. Hale. My doula is photocopying some info on ambien for me, but it looks like it might be ok to nurse while on it, but I need to get the half life of it and I don't think it's listed in there. My doula said she can call Dr. Hale(?!) and ask him herself... I don't know too much about him, but that sounds promising. Basically if the half life is like 12 hours, I can take ambien at night, and by the morning I can nurse again. I'm REALLY hoping that the dental appliance thing happens fast and I can get it and get off ambien, but I might need to go on a different medication while weaning, and one things leads to another..... I want to get off everything and sleep like a normal human being! :) |
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| lilac7 | Apr 26 2006, 01:41 PM Post #83 |
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If you sleep with ambien, how are you going to wake up in the middle of the night and take care of the baby? Isn't it dangerous? |
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| Karapooz | Apr 26 2006, 01:43 PM Post #84 |
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aishes chayil
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Chavelamommela: If a bottle hurts the milk supply, it's only temporary. If you give one at 11 PM and the next day you want to nurse at that time, you might have a little less milk. But the day after that it will be normal. I had a terrible time with nursing in the beginning. The baby didn'tl atch properly and I went through hell. The pain was worse than labor- seriously. Then I got an infection in my uterus and had 101 degree fever. I was as miserable as one gets. Boruch Hashem we had the bottles from the hospital! My husband gave him a bottle for a couple of evenings so I was able to lie in bed, delirious and semi-conscious. To say the truth, the supply did diminish a bit. But it went back to normal right away! The last bottle we used was at the bris. With my first, I nursed him all thru the meal after the bris. I missed the meal and the socializing with my friends whom I haven't seen for months. This time, we had no normal food at home. I NEEDED to eat! Plus I couldn't handle the pain at that point, so he had 1/4 bottle. Zusha grabbed it away and finished the rest! So it's true- unless there are other probs, 1 bottle will not do any permanent damage. BTW, I took antibiotic and developed thrush. It is a form of torture I do not wish on my worst enemies! I had no bottles left, and I couldn't start treating the problem bec it was Yom Tov. I sat thru each nursing session crying. Zusha stood next to me with a box of tissues and kept wiping my nose! But I stuck to it, and B"H now all is fine. Without those 5 bottles, I don't know where I'd be. |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 01:50 PM Post #85 |
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Ambien doesn't make me sleep for more than a few hours, and I wake if I hear anything.. my husband sneeze downstairs, my daughter roll over, the cat meow, whatever. Ambien doesn't really work for me like it's supposed to, but it does help put me to sleep. But it doesn't keep me asleep. If I can nurse the baby at 9, take an ambien at 10, sleep until 2, then feed him again (dh will have baby from 9-2) then we each get 4 hours of sleep a night, that might work. I have no idea what else to do. I cannot get back to sleep once awake without ambien. |
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| lilac7 | Apr 26 2006, 01:57 PM Post #86 |
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Have you tried taking Tylenol PM instead of ambien? |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 03:00 PM Post #87 |
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Rebbetzin
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Yes, it makes me wired and makes my heart race. That, Simply Sleep, Nyquil, and anything else with an antihystament makes me anxious. I'm very food/medicine sensitive and can't have any of those or anything that has Red Dye in it or MSG. No Robitussin, Sudafed, etc. If I get congested bed time I'm in major trouble. I can't take anything, but then I can't sleep because I'm congested.... I"m a mess. |
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| U Tarzan Me Jane | Apr 26 2006, 04:49 PM Post #88 |
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My oldest son had a severe latch problem. He also has very weak muscles in his mouth. something that we have been working to correct with speech therapy. when he was a baby he was not gaining weight at all. In fact he was losing it at an alaming rate, despite being nursed regularly. I called a lactition who helped me alot. Unfortunately it was right before shavuot, so she gave me strict instructions for YT. nurse 20 minits on each side and then give a 2 oz bottle. Every 3 hours religiously. After YT, we started the Supplemental nursing System. in order to do this, I nursed 20 minits on one side, 15 on the other, and then attached myself to the SNS, which is a flat bottle on a string, but instead of a nipple it has a cap with 2 thin, miniscule tubes that hang down. you tape the tube to the nipple and breast and then nurse . as the baby sucks, formula goes through the tube, when the baby stops sucking the formula stops also. I did this 4 times a day, 7 days a week for months. It was very hard. let me tell you, there are many children who have feeding issues, that formula saves thier lives. Myson is one of them. His first 9 months were very difficult on me. I stuck it out, but was thankful for being able to have formula to supplement with. I had to stop nursing my oldest at 10 months, I was pregnant with #2 and having a miserable pregnancy, I was throwing up 20 times a day, I was on progesterone pills, and by 6 weeks of pregnancy I was hospitalized with severe dehydration. My dr. told me to stop nursing or he would have to insert an IV line into me till I did. My second baby was a screamer, he was permanantly attached to me, or screaming. He did not nap ever, he slept very little or not at all depending on the day. I had two children under 16 months and I was a wreck. I foung giving him a 4 oz bottle at 10 pm, made him sleep for 4 hours. I needed those 4 hours after being attached to him for the other 20 hours of the day. so He had that formula bottle once a day, and it kept me sane. By the time #2 was 10 months old, I was pg. again with the same problems I had with preg #2, he was also weaned by 11 months. Not that I didn't want to nurse him, just because My condition did not allow me to do it. well baby #3 was also a screamer, except he only ate when he was hungry, which was every 3 hours like clockwork. the rest of the time he screamed. He was no big fan of bottles either, but he was a very quick nurser so I didn't mint much, 10 minits and he was done, so he almost never had a bottle. I nursed him till he was 14 months old. I am uncomfortable BF in public, if I was out either we did it in the time between feedings or occassionally the babies got a bottle, I dont think It diminishes supplu much at all to be quite honest. espeacially when it is done rarely. I respect others decicions to pump or BF in public, but I want to have the same Respect given for my decisions. No one knows how hard it is to be a cow all the time. Sometimes a mommy's sanity is worth the occassional bottle. I have had three children and each was very different. I have also had thrush with all of them, It took me months to get rid of it each time, there were times were I sat crying from the pain of the nursing. I still nursed. But when the pain was unbearable I did give a bottle. Nursing makes the thrush worse. it takes a few days for it to be bareable to nurse once you have the nystatin. I resent , people who say that giving a bottle occassionally will ruin by BF experience...... I have done EVERYTHING to keep nursing, and these arre my choices to make not some person at LLL. or someone else who nursed thier child for 4 years ECT. In closing, MY CHILD, MY CHOICES! I don't judge others choices, because I have been judged by so many and I hate how it feels! |
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| hallie_ari_mom | Apr 26 2006, 07:13 PM Post #89 |
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Wow.. you've been through so much. I had a friend who did SNS for a while. She said it was so hard to get used to doing it, and the baby thrived. I agree that BF is a choice, and everyone has different circumstances. BF and being pregnant back to back like that puts a toll on your body. I'm so glad that there are options like FF, supplementing, SNS, milk and soy, and support like LLL. I feel that women need support in lots of areas of their lives, and they don't need to be judged. thanks for sharing your story. Barbie |
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| U Tarzan Me Jane | Apr 26 2006, 08:34 PM Post #90 |
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thanks Barbi! I just got annoyed, I was afraaid I came down a little hard! I just can't stand when people who don't see the whole situation make assumptions based on thier own choices. I never criticize anyone when it comes to BF.....I know how tough it can be! Thank god my husband is great about all of it. |
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