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| U Tarzan Me Jane | Jun 19 2006, 11:52 AM Post #16 |
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Chavasmom--I have used the SNS, it takes hours of dedication, it literally took over my life for months! I don't think I could have done it if I had a full time job at the time. I don't even know if I could do it if I had other children at home, If this baby would CHVS have the problems my oldest son had, I don't know if I could manage the SNS again. I see why many women do not go to the SNS as the solution. Formula is easier, and when you have a child who cannot suck, and every feeding is over an hour and within 2 hours of finishing you are back at it, it is very hard! I will mention that even with the SNS, it took my son 5 1/2 months to hit 10 lbs. and he was born at 7 lbs 1 oz. giving him a bottle would have definately helped him gain much faster. and even with doing everything I could do for him, i was guilted from everybody I met on every side. It was not fun! |
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| justlooking | Jun 19 2006, 11:53 AM Post #17 |
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In NYC they don't require you to have a carseat at discharge from the hospital. Many people walk home from the hospital or take a cab or car service where car seats are not required. Also, while I did breastfeed, I find it ironic and almost disturbing when the strongest breastfeeding advocates don't vaccinate. It makes no sense to me. |
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| zuncompany | Jun 19 2006, 12:09 PM Post #18 |
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jl- i am a big vacs advocate as well! I am shocked you don't need in a cab or car service. Thats horrible! Its totally not safe! |
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| Karapooz | Jun 19 2006, 12:11 PM Post #19 |
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aishes chayil
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I also never knew about no carseats in cabs!?! |
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| ICan | Jun 19 2006, 02:30 PM Post #20 |
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I agree that it's not a smart campaign. They should change policies to reflect a breast-feeding friendly initiative. For e.g. I gave birht in a baby friendly hospital. b4 i gave birth the midwife asked me if i would breastfeed, i said 'yes as long as i can' she said 'of course you can and if you have problems there will always be somebody to help you' HA! famous last words! I laboured through the night and gave birth in the morning, I wasn't able to sleep during the day, so i was exhausted by the time it came to the night. I was unable to get ds to settle, and every midwife who came by just told me 'just feed him'. Well eventually in the middle of the night, after hours of feeding him, I couldn't take it anymore and begged a midwife to help me with him. She IMMEDIATELY offered him a bottle of formula. She tried to feed it to him but he wasn't really interested, she sat him up, he gave a big burp and settled down after that. Well, so much for being pro-breastfeeding! Women should be given the support and help they need early on to establish nursing. I don't know what it's like in the states, but in england it was horrible. It took 10 days after birht and countless midwives until someone finally showed me the correct postion for nursing. And i'm worried that the same thing will happen this time. Let the gov. change work laws to encourage nursing. Make it compulsory for lactating women to be given pumping breaks and an appropriate place to pump/nurse. Set up nursing rooms in public places. Educate drs and health care professionals in the benefits of nursing and in offering support and help to women. |
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| Karapooz | Jun 19 2006, 02:56 PM Post #21 |
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aishes chayil
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ICan: :clap2 :clap |
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| jellybean | Jun 19 2006, 02:56 PM Post #22 |
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aishes chayil
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no, they didn't. it was when she went from 4 lbs 6 oz to 4 lbs 7.5 ozs in almost a week that they told me i must supplement. and that was with feeding her two hours, around the clock, 12 times a day, for about 10 minutes on a side. and they tried to take her off the formula once she started gaining nicely (about 1/2 a pound a week) and she actually lost weight. don't think i didn't try; i'm still nursing her 1/2 cuz every drop is precious. and yes, i was upset that my milk alone isn't good enough, but bH there are options. |
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| chavamom | Jun 19 2006, 04:09 PM Post #23 |
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Jellybean - your experience may be different next time, esp if you have a bigger baby. It's great that you are giving your baby what you can! Second that there is no way to tell how much milk you have from pumping. I have found that pumping is a learned skill and that often your body has to learn to respond to the pump. At least that is how it is for me. And I seem to have to learn over and over again - with each child and if I haven't pumped for a while for some reason (like when I took a month off working Pessach time). |
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| Chavelamomela | Jun 27 2006, 04:29 PM Post #24 |
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aishes chayil
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I have to say that I agree with the article and think that too many moms don't even CONSIDER breastfeeding (at all, or for a very short amount of time, like a few weeks...those poor babies!) More education, encouragement, and mom-friendly environments are certainly needed and should be encouraged and supported. As for some individuals who found that their formula-fed babies were much healthier than their breast-fed ones - this is purely anecdotal. We can find many anecdotal stories that contradict statistical trends, but what the statistical studies mean is that nursing will increase the CHANCES of having a healthy kid. Not to mention all the other benefits. What surprises me, frankly, is how many moms have to be conviced to nurse. This is so sad. I think that B"H that formula companies exist, for sure, because there are certainly cases where formula is needed. - however, their marketting practices are way over-the-line and frankly, sinister in some cases (ever heard of the horrible things Carnation/Nestle used to do to market their formulas in 3rd world countries?!) Women who have support (friends, family, a nursing-friendly environment) find that BFing is not only a 'sacrifice' we make for our children, but indeed, a wonderful thing for both mom and babies. This is not to make moms who have to feed their babies bottles feel guilty. It is to encourage people to start and to continue BFing. And also, remember, that people who "have to" supplement with formula, it does not mean you shoudl stop nursing at all! The tragedy is that those who start to supplement think they "failed" and then give up BFing completely - which defeats the whole purpose! |
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| Karapooz | Jun 27 2006, 04:34 PM Post #25 |
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aishes chayil
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(ever heard of the horrible things Carnation/Nestle used to do to market their formulas in 3rd world countries?!) ------- can you tell us? |
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| realeez | Jun 27 2006, 06:25 PM Post #26 |
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I read a good article about why people stop and the lost "mesorah" of breastfeeding and I found it online. Stop Blaming Nursing Moms “We lost centuries of knowledge about breastfeeding in little more than a generation.” By John Hoffman |
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| Karapooz | Jun 27 2006, 09:24 PM Post #27 |
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aishes chayil
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It's a really good article, realeez! I like the last paragraph where he says that he's set standard of Drs' training in BF knowledge, etc... rather than just standards of how long to nurse. |
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| Karapooz | Jun 27 2006, 09:36 PM Post #28 |
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aishes chayil
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Also, I'd like to add that when Zusha was born, he slept for the first 24 hours. The staff kept pushing me to nurse him, since his blood sugar was dropping. I could not for the life of me wake him up! And neither could they. So the brought me formula. ?????????? Why? If he's up, I'll nurse him. If he's sleeping, he won't take the formula, either. The nurses kept coming in and trying to stuff the bottle into his mouth. I got upset and said, "So what would you do if formula wouldn't have been invented yet?" She shrugged and said, "We'd give him diluted cow's milk." And she continued to stuff the bottle. :crazy: |
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| zuncompany | Jun 27 2006, 09:55 PM Post #29 |
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They tried the same thing with me with Zuand once while it was happening our ped walked in. She gave the nurses the nastiest look! She told them to lay off. Told me not to worry so much cause zu would be fine! She took a HUGE piece of paper and in red wrote- ALLERGIC. NO BOTTLES! All my kids get that sign now. I have my ob put it in when the baby is born. They don't come near me anymore. |
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| Karapooz | Jun 27 2006, 10:06 PM Post #30 |
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aishes chayil
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:) good idea |
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