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Topic Started: Mar 16 2008, 11:38 AM (229 Views)
sauls_mom
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does everyone start when its supposed too? Condurum just posted that it wont officially start till 10pm. there is NO way we are going to wait for that. As it is- we usually go away the first night- but this night its Saul's opening day of t-ball and he has a 330pm game. So we will be making the first night seder (and now probably the second as well.) We will probably start at 630 or 7 (regular dinner time for us.) Do others do this?
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Marion
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In a manner of speaking. When it's that late my parents always invited everyone for real dinner at 6, then served matzah, grape juice/wine, karpas, charoset, maror, and DESSERT at the seder (which started at the correct time). I imagine we'll do the same this year.
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I imagine we'll be starting around 5, honestly.. to get the kids in bed by 7 and the adults in bed by 10. :)

As it is, it seems that everyone comes to the sedar famished and MUST eat so we rush anyway.. AND our version is so abridged it's embarrassing.

This year, I've taken some notes from my chabad class that I hope to share with everyone, if they are up for it.
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Oh, I'll for sure have something to eat before the seder. That's what seudat shleesheet (the third meal on shabbos) is for! :) Ditto for the second day. I wouldn't be able to survive otherwise.

When I was a child, my parents belonged to a conservative shul. They always had a seder, but started it early so that my brother and I could participate and go to sleep at a reasonable time. Actually, their seder evolved from following a tape recording to an abridged version to doing the heimishe (real) seder. Sadly, as they became ba'alei teshuva and increased in frumkeit, the other members of my family no longer wanted to participate in our seders. We went from 25-30+ people down to...well, the four of us. My parents often find guests through the shul, but it just isn't the same as when our house was filled with family.

This year will be a bit sad for me because I'm splitting up the sedarim between my parents and ILs. Thankfully, my parents were invited by neighbours, so they won't be alone for the second seder. I feel less guilty, but I'll still miss them. Both nights we will be starting at the correct time. Hashem only knows what time it will end! I don't know if my little niece will be able to stay up so late. She usually goes to sleep about 7 pm.
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We start when the men come home from shul. Since we've already changed the clock, Shabbos is around 7:20pm that week. Which means Motzei Shabbos is around 8:20pm. By the time the men come home and everyone gathers at the table, you get my drift.

When the kids were little, they napped in the afternoon, so they could stay up for a bit. Usually, I'm in the kitchen until licht bentchen/candle lighting. But since erev Pesach is Shabbos, I can probably sneak in a nap.

It's funny, but when I was growing up, we would have a "contest" in school as to whose seder finished the latest.
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U Tarzan Me Jane
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yep big time nap shabbat afternoon....depending on where we are for the seder, we will see how late it begins/ends.
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Mindy
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Yes, of course we will start at night, after the men come home from shul - if you do the seder on Shabbos afternoon, it's not pesach yet! Pesach starts after dark!
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sauls_mom
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Mindy
Mar 16 2008, 06:40 PM
Yes, of course we will start at night, after the men come home from shul - if you do the seder on Shabbos afternoon, it's not pesach yet! Pesach starts after dark!

while i understand that is jewish law- for us there are 2 options: either start early so we can participate or dont do it at all. Which do you think Gd would prefer? for us- the answer is simple- do it when you can
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Mindy
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But, if you make the seder when it's still shabbos, you run into a whole bunch of other problems with Jewish law, such as cooking and warming up food on Shabbos. Seeing that your son has a ball game scheduled on Shabbos, I am not sure whether you're Sabbath observant or not, so I guess it won't pose as much of a problem. Good luck and enjoy the seder!
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ScrappingMom
Mar 16 2008, 03:25 PM
It's funny, but when I was growing up, we would have a "contest" in school as to whose seder finished the latest.

some people i know still haven't outgrown that contest except they forget to say that it took 2 more hours til the seder started until people got their acts together (and i'm talking about a regular non-shabbos-erev pesach where the table could have been set before!) :rolleyes:

We start after dark.
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Mindy
Mar 16 2008, 08:06 PM
But, if you make the seder when it's still shabbos, you run into a whole bunch of other problems with Jewish law, such as cooking and warming up food on Shabbos. Seeing that your son has a ball game scheduled on Shabbos, I am not sure whether you're Sabbath observant or not, so I guess it won't pose as much of a problem. Good luck and enjoy the seder!

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Mindy
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I'm already dreading the late late late super late seder this year! Okay, I am used to going to bed at 1:30 a.m. and ds can keep himself awake til midnight if he's had a decent nap, but still, with maariv being around 8:45, the men won't be home before 10:15, and until everyone will find their seating arrangemetns and all, I suppose the seder won't start before 11:00. I guess I'll just have to eat a nice hearty meal at our regular supper time, but it's very tough when you cant have matzah either. What'll I eat? I guess eggs, american cheese, gefilte fish, and cake....
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Mindy
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Mar 16 2008, 08:28 PM
Mindy
Mar 16 2008, 08:06 PM
But, if you make the seder when it's still shabbos, you run into a whole bunch of other problems with Jewish law, such as cooking and warming up food on Shabbos. Seeing that your son has a ball game scheduled on Shabbos, I am not sure whether you're Sabbath observant or not, so I guess it won't pose as much of a problem. Good luck and enjoy the seder!

This website is for all of our Jewish sisters.

Definitely. I'm not judging. I just realized after rereading her first post, that it's a whole different ballgame in different levels of observance, I guess making a seder earlier than the correct zeman wouldnt be so much of a problem for some people. (It had left me scratching my head at first, then I realized that it's different stroked for different folks.)
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U Tarzan Me Jane
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I love when erev speasach is on shabbat---I go into it well rested (shabbat nap and all) and relaxed, because I did not spend the entire erev YT packing, cooking, baking, and checking for last minute chametz to pack away!

Plus we force our kids to nap in the afternoon, and they are ready to really enjoy and be a part of it!

Its really like having 2 second night seders. Because the second night always starts later, as you have to wait to the time that shabbat would be over the second night. It will be a bit later, but really not by much!
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I'll probably make an attempt to put my kids to sleep at a semi reasonable hour on shabbos, then wake them up in time fro the seder. That's probably my best bet for having them awake. Otherwise, it will be WAAAAYYY too late for them!
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