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For those who do not do gebrocks
Topic Started: Mar 22 2009, 03:01 PM (1,580 Views)
U Tarzan Me Jane
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According to my family Milk does not make anything gebructs. We ate matza cereal, Butter/cream cheese on matzah. We also put egg salads on matzah. and my parents will put dressing on matzah, but only enough for one bite at a time.

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Yeah, but Lubavitch practice is nothing that has or could have water. Milk and milk products almost all have added water. Only because I had a bakery do I know that all oil must have water in it by law and later this was confirmed by a rav. Practically, we put nothing on the matzah. There is no reason to have it on the table.

At the seder we do not put wine in charoset (has water both from legal and halachic standpoint) only apple, pear and nuts, dry all of the lettuce leaves while still daytime and after dipping in charoset we shake it off.

We once went to a Pesach Vacation organized by Gerrer chassidim and so I know that there are different customs of what is gebrokts.

Also, gebrokts in Lubavitch is considered more stringent than kitnios. The rational is gebrokts is based on avoiding a serious issur and kitnios is a gezera. Up until age 7 kids can have kitnios if truly necessary - like a formula fed newborn.
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Having grown up with gebrochts beshita, I take the whole non-gebrochts business as pretty much a joke. I mean, I won't dip matzo in water and I've given up my matza coffee (sniff, sob) and kneidlach (a pity, since I make the best ones I've ever eaten) but I don't get hysterical if matza crumbs get onto the plates. I eat butter on my matza with a clear conscience (I figure that hey, it doesn't take me 18 minutes to eat that piece of matza anyway.) I would even make matza brei, but I think my husband wouldn't appreciate it.
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Learning a lot here, but I couldn't make it through Pesach without matzah brei. And my charoset has wine. Matzah ball soup too...... (I'm such a rebel). For us, that is what makes the holiday. Pesach wouldn't feel the same without matzah brei! And Pesach rolls for lunch. I have to make several dozen so dh can bring to work this year.
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oil has water in it?
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Mar 24 2009, 12:51 PM
What do you do for korech?
We don't eat gebrokts but we hold that there is no problem as long as you eat something within 18 minutes of it getting wet. The logic of gebrokts is that we are nervous that if a tiny bit of flour didn't get mixed into the dough, and remained just flour in the matza, if it gets wet it will become chometz. Since something becomes chometz only after 18 minutes, there is no problem within this time.

So we don't eat things like knaidlach, cakes made with matza meal etc. But we do spread things on the matza to be eaten immediately. and that includes korech. It also means we have no problem if a crumb or two falls into the soup that someone is about to eat.

And I have a question for those who consider their utensils 'treif' if they had gebrokts on them - what about when you wash the plate from the matza crumbs? - it becomes gebrokts right there.
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I am picturing a table full of people eating matzah in paper bags so as not to was dishes with crumbs. lol

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U Tarzan Me Jane
Mar 25 2009, 09:16 AM
I am picturing a table full of people eating matzah in paper bags so as not to was dishes with crumbs. lol

Now, what a great way to cut down on doing dishes over Pesach - but I don't think I'm quite ready to give up the gebrocks we eat!

Barbie - Really, lots of us eat gebrocks with any worries - it's just not our derech, not our "way" of keeping Pesach, just like some eat kitniyos and some don't. I also love making matza brei (though we eat it all year until the matza runs out!) and bubbelehs (kind of matza meal pancake things). I don't do the pesach rolls, though - sounds like too much work and we can just manage without. We would take matza with cheese or other spreads on the side for packed lunches, and combine just before eating to avoid the soggy mess!

But, it's fascinating to hear how each group determines what constitutes gebrocks, as it was something I had never actually seen (rather than knowing about in theory) until I was married, and ate seder at a Lubavitch family.
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We do rolls because dh can't bring matzah to work with him and he needs something more filling that just deli meat. He can't warm anything up in a microwave either. Also.. not at all hard to make so for me it's easy. Dh would just as well not keep KFP so anything I can do assist him is my pleasure.

To me.. that makes sense... eating the food within the 18 minutes if you put something on matzah. I think I'll attempt that this year. But I'm not passing on the matzah ball soup. Not when my mom and MIL are making them. Now, if I had to make them, I'd insist we skip it this year! lol
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Plus if you eat it within eighteen minutes the calories don't count ;)

Ah if only that was true...

But seriously, we always ate gebrokts at our place but it's interesting to read about the different minhag of other families.
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rikal, even within Lubavitch there is variety. I was mekarved by some very machmir people but the bags didn't go away until after salads. We would put the matzah in our mouth and than salad. LOL I could live on avocado and matzah this way if I had to and I have! After that the bags DO go away but the kids tend to take their bags everywhere with them. They LOVE LOVE LOVE matzah. Dh is picking me up 15lbs and I hope thats enough (we are having some guests for seder). Last year the three kids ate prob. 8 plus lbs themselves.

Oh, how do I deal with dishes... I use all plastics and plastic throw away clear table cloths that go over my nice one. I chuck it all. Since I don't cook with matzah it doesn't get on my pots and pans. When I used to make matzah balls on the last day I had my one gebrocks bowl, soup pot, and ladle. I would grind the matzah BEFORE I did anything else and than took a dry towel and wiped out the food processor bowl carefully not to leave a crumb before I washed it out. I put the matzah meal than away for the last day. I don't make them anymore cause without the egg they just would not come out right for me. They were like balls of rocks.
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Not paper bag - I understand a lot of paper has a chashash of starch. We use clear, see through plastic bags.

Zun, my kids like matza too and we solved that by letting everyone eat as long as they wanted to by hamotzie. After that, no more matza, no matter what. The bags are thrown away.
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My kids each have one of the big matzah cover bags... not throw away bags. Their first year they can eat matzah we get one for them. If we did that honestly at this age (remember, my kids are a number of years younger) we would never eat. LOL

I will just tell them if they want to keep eating matza go play in the living room and take their bag with them.
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Mar 25 2009, 09:07 AM
And I have a question for those who consider their utensils 'treif' if they had gebrokts on them - what about when you wash the plate from the matza crumbs? - it becomes gebrokts right there.
That's why we wash the dishes right away, before 18 minutes elapse (although I can guarantee that the sink is certainly gebrochts.) Actually, that's the one advantage of non-gebrochts: you can wash dishes right away, even if you won't need them again that day, as opposed to waiting for the night.
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Zun, as far as matza, my kids always did what DH and I did as adults, all over the years. Maybe your having separate bags for them is a bad idea. Maybe the "throwing away of the plastic bags" would signify the end of the matza course, as it were. It works for us.
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