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My garden is up!!!!!!!
Topic Started: May 16 2010, 04:09 PM (2,158 Views)
zuncompany
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My response to that "report" is oh please!
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jellybean
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me too ...
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hallie_ari_mom
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Why? Do you feel that when you wash your fruit the chemicals/pesticides fully come of and in no way at all harm you or your child? I'm just glad they aren't finding that it causes cancer. Pesticides are not safe for human consumption.
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jellybean
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ppl will find things to blame on. like all the reports on the deadly dihydrogen monoxide - http://www.dhmo.org/.
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So unless it's in the Torah it's not worth listening to? Do you pick and choose what works for you? I know nitrates and nitrites in food can cause cancer. If I choose to eat something with it in it, it's a risk I know I am taking.. not keeping my head in the sand. Kosher you don't question at all but science and reports get brushed aside.
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U Tarzan Me Jane
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Just because one study that set out to prove the evils of non organic fruit says it causes ADHD, does not make it true. Its just as much picking and choosing when you choose one study out of thousands nd believe that, because it fits in with what you want to believe anyway.

There would be A lot more people who suffer with ADHD if this was a total truth. The fact is people suffering with true ADHD are also rare, because it is over diagnosed, and its easier for schools when the kids are medicated, even if they do not really need it. (I am not saying that some people do not need the drugs, just that many do not)
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But to blow it off? To not stop and consider or even ask to see the study? Fine.. maybe you don't believe it causes ADHD but to act unconcerned about it? I was so excited to see that there was some kind of link between the two! I thought others that are concerned with their childrens well being would at least be interested.

It's not just this.. I'm disgusted that we can't get a kosher hot dog that is nitrate and nitrite free. But no one is making one bc there isn't an uproar from the community. G-d said keep kosher.. that's fine, but no one cares about people putting preservatives and chemicals and pesticides in our food! C'mon!
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zuncompany
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I have seen them Barbie. As well where I live almost all the meat coming in is "organic" or whatnot they want to call it.

If its one thing we have gone over and over and over again here is that studies have agendas. I did read the study- thats why I said whatever. Notice who sponsored the study?

I have a child who truly needs adhd meds. Are we convinced he has adhd- no. The docs aren't either and thats why they refuse to label him as such and we are seeing a neuro in a few weeks for him to see if there is finally an answer for him. But notice- none of my other kids have any symptoms or need for such things. I would say I have eaten more produce with eat preg. I don't even know if I bothered to eat veggies while preg. with Zu!

All this is is a theory that needs to be produced over and over again before it is anything more. I take ALL these studies with a grain of salt until they can scientifically prove this theory. Like UTMJ said- if this was true, we would have a whole lot more issues than we do!

Until than, I would rather my kids eat fruits and veggies which isn't affordable here by any means if I was to go organics only.
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I have to agree with Barbie on this one. I just cannot wrap my head around that all of these pesticides donīt harm you. I was just reading an article that listed the amount of chemicals on each piece of fruit. A peach has 64 different kind of pesticides. And donīt even get me started on all the junk they put in our meats etc. Itīs scary the amount of chemicals we are eating and we donīt even know it.
My daughter wanted me to buy these frozen popsicles for her that all her friends love. I told her no that I would only buy her the brand that I always buy. She kept throwing her fit. So, I showed her ingredients from the popsicles that all of her friends love and the box from the popsicles that I love. I asked her to read the ingredients. She was able to read all of the ingredients from the box that I always buy (it only has 3 ingredients). Then I had her read the box of the other brand--she could only read water and suger because after that there were easily 20 ingredients that I have no idea what they are or even how to pronounce it--all chemicals. After that, she told me to keep buying our popsicles. She no longer wanted the other ones and sheīs only 6.
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Cindy, but see I don't buy that stuff. I don't think you can compare the two honestly. I wash our fruits and veggies. I don't just hand them over.

Lets put it simply- I have 2 options- wash or peel fruits/veggies (which is what I do) and my kids can have fruits and veggies OR buy only organic (which is not as pure as people want to believe as there is very very little oversight in the organic world) and fruits and veggies become something that my kids see on a rare occasion because the price differences are not small by any means.
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No, Zun, I wasnīt talking about you. :) I love your garden! Itīs the only option where you control everything. I meant fruit you buy in the grocery store. And I do see your point about the oversight issues within the organic community.
Anyway, to each her own. :)
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I know... for us though its a choice between not being able to get enough to feed us the way we eat fruit/veggies or not to buy organic. Because there is so little oversight and I wash everything carefully, I am personally comfortable. I take studies that have yet to be proven over and over with a huge grain of salt.
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barbie - my kosher butcher here makes ALL of his deli, hotdogs, etc from scratch. no nitrates/nitrites. with organic you also end up eating more bugs / insects, which is a major no halachically.
everything you eat can have the potential to be harmful.
and, i learned today that urea (like in lotions) is made from urine. so just cuz you can read it, doesn't mean it's good for you!
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U Tarzan Me Jane
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To point out in the days of DDT, like the 50's when my father was a child, There were few (if any) cases of ADHD. And way fewer cases of Autisim and ASD. Now correlation does not equal causation, but it is something to think about.
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Truth be told- I know plenty of people who if they were kids now would either be considered ADD/ADHD but back than we just considered scattered and hyper or on the spectrum but back than were called strange.
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