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What's your take?
Topic Started: Mar 17 2012, 09:28 AM (307 Views)
Les	Mar 17 2012, 09:28 AM Post #1
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	Which of these is your particular favourite? Quote: Once there was a magical being which lives outside of time and space that has always existed who took nothing and made absolutely everything (including wasps, smallpox and tape-worms) and eventually discards 99% of everything to be tortured for all eternity in a specially created place made for such creations. Not only that, but it requires everyone to worship it without proving itself worthy. Quote: In the beginning there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no apparent reason, creating everything and then the bunch of everything magically rearranged itself, for no apparent reason, into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs and stuff.



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 09:47 AM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	The second one requires less assumption, and is only guilty of exposing our general ignorance. The first one is missing 'Once upon a time' :lol:



Les	Mar 17 2012, 12:15 PM Post #3
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	But they both require assumptions. Neither can be true.



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 12:29 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	The first requires more assumption than I could fit in a single thread. Do we have a mathmatical computer model for God and his how he did it all? We do for Evolution, fact, evolution requires vastly less assumption than GODDIDIT.



sherry	Mar 17 2012, 12:34 PM Post #5
sherry Posts: 30,693 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: June 2, 2008	Why can't God have evolved long before we did



Rusty Bullet	Mar 17 2012, 12:41 PM Post #6
A member of The Smilies Box Is A Bloody Nuisance Camp Posts: 3,663 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: October 25, 2008	And what was before God?



Les	Mar 17 2012, 12:44 PM Post #7
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	What was before the 'Big Bang'?



sherry	Mar 17 2012, 01:22 PM Post #8
sherry Posts: 30,693 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: June 2, 2008	What was before anything - but we got here somehow. That means virtually anything is possible.



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 01:30 PM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	Les Mar 17 2012, 11:44 AM What was before the 'Big Bang'? The singularity



Rusty Bullet	Mar 17 2012, 01:30 PM Post #10
A member of The Smilies Box Is A Bloody Nuisance Camp Posts: 3,663 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: October 25, 2008	sherry Mar 17 2012, 12:22 PM What was before anything - but we got here somehow. That means virtually anything is possible. It is an assumption we exist.



Les	Mar 17 2012, 02:01 PM Post #11
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	Duck Mar 17 2012, 01:30 PM Les Mar 17 2012, 11:44 AM What was before the 'Big Bang'? The singularity Well, since there are as many definitions of that as there are of God ... what's yours?



Les	Mar 17 2012, 02:02 PM Post #12
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	Rusty Bullet Mar 17 2012, 01:30 PM sherry Mar 17 2012, 12:22 PM What was before anything - but we got here somehow. That means virtually anything is possible. It is an assumption we exist. I think ... therefore I am.



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 02:02 PM Post #13
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	Rusty Bullet Mar 17 2012, 12:30 PM sherry Mar 17 2012, 12:22 PM What was before anything - but we got here somehow. That means virtually anything is possible. It is an assumption we exist. "I exist" is an axiomatic statement. It cannot be argued, because, to argue it, you must first assume it is true. It must be true.



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 02:35 PM Post #14
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	Les Mar 17 2012, 01:01 PM Duck Mar 17 2012, 01:30 PM Les Mar 17 2012, 11:44 AM What was before the 'Big Bang'? The singularity Well, since there are as many definitions of that as there are of God ... what's yours? A point of infinite density and infinitesimal volume, at which space and time become infinitely distorted according to the theory of General Relativity. A gravitational singularity existed at the beginning of the universe.



sherry	Mar 17 2012, 02:38 PM Post #15
sherry Posts: 30,693 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: June 2, 2008	Why?



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 03:17 PM Post #16
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	sherry Mar 17 2012, 01:38 PM Why? Why what Sherry?



Rusty Bullet	Mar 17 2012, 03:35 PM Post #17
A member of The Smilies Box Is A Bloody Nuisance Camp Posts: 3,663 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: October 25, 2008	Duck Mar 17 2012, 01:02 PM "I exist" is an axiomatic statement. It cannot be argued, because, to argue it, you must first assume it is true. It must be true. It is still an assumption.



Les	Mar 17 2012, 04:06 PM Post #18
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	Duck Mar 17 2012, 02:35 PM Les Mar 17 2012, 01:01 PM Duck Mar 17 2012, 01:30 PM Les Mar 17 2012, 11:44 AM What was before the 'Big Bang'? The singularity Well, since there are as many definitions of that as there are of God ... what's yours? A point of infinite density and infinitesimal volume, at which space and time become infinitely distorted according to the theory of General Relativity. A gravitational singularity existed at the beginning of the universe. Theory.



Duck	Mar 17 2012, 04:37 PM Post #19
Advanced Member Posts: 4,272 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: June 11, 2009	Based on scientific observation and prior knowledge. Remember not everything qualifies as a theory and even fewer become accepted. Now where was that theory of god? Is there one? no, that's right that remains nothing more than an assumption based on anecdotes and fairy tales. I'll take scientific theory over that every time.



Les	Mar 17 2012, 05:07 PM Post #20
I use a computer, therefore I am. Posts: 20,021 Group: Admin Member #70 Joined: March 8, 2009	Quote: Now where was that theory of god? Is there one? no, that's right that remains nothing more than an assumption based on anecdotes and fairy tales. Well, you won't be surprised if I disagree with those comments. I think we can both agree that, beyond a reasonable doubt, there was a single moment of creation. The Universe (our Universe) had a beginning. You talk about the singularity being the cause - okay, I'm happy with that. The Big Bang happened and from that event all that we currently experience came about. The Stars, the planets, our planet and all that's contained within it. Life came about and, here, it thrives. Maybe, probably, it thrives in other places too. That's astounding. Sherry asked 'Why' in an earlier post and whilst I'm not second guessing her, I echo the question. The cause - the singularity if you like - ha a cause too. So, what was that? What's the theory there? My theory? Goddidit. I don't have a better one.



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