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South Korea surrenders to creationist demands
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 11:12 PM (521 Views)
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The South Korean Ministry of Education doesn't have anyone in charge that is smart enough to see through the idiotic arguments put forward by creationism? I think Korea needs a new Ministry of Education. Seriously.

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The evolution of Archaeopteryx will be excluded from some South Korean high-school textbooks after a creationist campaign.

Mention creationism, and many scientists think of the United States, where efforts to limit the teaching of evolution have made headway in a couple of states1. But the successes are modest compared with those in South Korea, where the anti-evolution sentiment seems to be winning its battle with mainstream science.

A petition to remove references to evolution from high-school textbooks claimed victory last month after the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology (MEST) revealed that many of the publishers would produce revised editions that exclude examples of the evolution of the horse or of avian ancestor Archaeopteryx. The move has alarmed biologists, who say that they were not consulted. “The ministry just sent the petition out to the publishing companies and let them judge,” says Dayk Jang, an evolutionary scientist at Seoul National University.

The campaign was led by the Society for Textbook Revise (STR), which aims to delete the “error” of evolution from textbooks to “correct” students’ views of the world, according to the society’s website. The society says that its members include professors of biology and high-school science teachers.

The STR is also campaigning to remove content about “the evolution of humans” and “the adaptation of finch beaks based on habitat and mode of sustenance”, a reference to one of the most famous observations in Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species. To back its campaign, the group highlights recent discoveries that Archaeopteryx is one of many feathered dinosaurs, and not necessarily an ancestor of all birds2. Exploiting such debates over the lineage of species “is a typical strategy of creation scientists to attack the teaching of evolution itself”, says Joonghwan Jeon, an evolutionary psychologist at Kyung Hee University in Yongin.
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The STR is an independent offshoot of the Korea Association for Creation Research (KACR), according to KACR spokesman Jungyeol Han. Thanks in part to the KACR’s efforts, creation science — which seeks to provide evidence in support of the creation myth described in the Book of Genesis — has had a growing influence in South Korea, although the STR itself has distanced itself from such doctrines. In early 2008, the KACR scored a hit with a successful exhibition at Seoul Land, one of the country’s leading amusement parks. According to the group, the exhibition attracted more than 116,000 visitors in three months, and the park is now in talks to create a year-long exhibition.

Even the nation’s leading science institute — the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology — has a creation science display on campus. “The exhibition was set up by scientists who believed in creation science back in 1993,” says Gab-duk Jang, a pastor of the campus church. The institute also has a thriving Research Association for Creation Science, run by professors and students, he adds.
Antipathy to evolution

In a 2009 survey conducted for the South Korean documentary The Era of God and Darwin, almost one-third of the respondents didn’t believe in evolution. Of those, 41% said that there was insufficient scientific evidence to support it; 39% said that it contradicted their religious beliefs; and 17% did not understand the theory. The numbers approach those in the United States, where a survey by the research firm Gallup has shown that around 40% of Americans do not believe that humans evolved from less advanced forms of life.

    “The ministry just sent the petition out to the publishing companies and let them judge.”

The roots of the South Korean antipathy to evolution are unclear, although Jeon suggests that they are partly “due to strong Christianity in the country”. About half of South Korea’s citizens practice a religion, mostly split between Christianity and Buddhism.

However, a survey of trainee teachers in the country concluded that religious belief was not a strong determinant of their acceptance of evolution3. It also found that 40% of biology teachers agreed with the statement that “much of the scientific community doubts if evolution occurs”; and half disagreed that “modern humans are the product of evolutionary processes”.

Until now, says Dayk Jang, the scientific community has done little to combat the anti-evolution sentiment. “The biggest problem is that there are only 5–10 evolutionary scientists in the country who teach the theory of evolution in undergraduate and graduate schools,” he says. Having seen the fierce debates over evolution in the United States, he adds, some scientists also worry that engaging with creationists might give creationist views more credibility among the public.

Silence is not the answer, says Dayk Jang. He is now organizing a group of experts, including evolutionary scientists and theologians who believe in evolution, to counter the SRT’s campaign by working to improve the teaching of evolution in the classroom, and in broader public life.



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South Korean experts on the matter blame the attitude on the lack of evolutionary scientists in the country who teach evolution in undergraduate and graduate schools. So, this may be a case of science neglect. And it just got worse.
 
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Well, South Koreans have excellent internet access. I should imagine that'll help with the sharing of the words. :D
 
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I bet The Flintstones passes as reality tv there :)
 
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Uh huh. I'd be concerned about that if I thought the people who live in South Korea were dumb.
 
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why cant people just accept that sometimes we cant all be right, and theres greater evidence for evolution than there is for creationism.

cant the creationists just compromise and think that evolution happened but god was the one who pushed it in the right direction to make us, like what loads of religious people believe.

science lessons are no place for religion-cause if christians want their creation story told as science, what about people of other religions, they would want their creation story told and then science lessons turn pretty much into re lessons.

why not leave the science lessons to the scientific theory but talk about religious creation stories in re and let students think for themselfes and debate it.
 
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Through electronic after death communication I am convinced there is a spirit world but my question is,was this world created by the spirit world for the purpose of spiritual development?and began with evolution.If we did evolve from apes or fish and they in turn evolved from other life forms along the chain of evolution,A big IF.
 
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It's not that big if you know what you are talking about.
 
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Actually, Zombie, that's quite interesting. I hadn't made any connection between a possible afterlife and evolution. I'll have to some digging about.
 
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I think I've mentioned it several times...from the implausible angle.
 
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Jun 7 2012, 05:49 PM
Actually, Zombie, that's quite interesting. I hadn't made any connection between a possible afterlife and evolution. I'll have to some digging about.

Ok :D
 
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Jun 7 2012, 08:42 PM
I think I've mentioned it several times...from the implausible angle.

From a subjective point of view of course,as ever Chortle
 
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Not if I'm using good science as the foundation, that's being objective. I leave the subjective to you and your broken radio, you have that particular subjective bias down to an art.

subjective:adj
Existing in the mind,placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions.


Objective:adj
undistorted by emotion or personal bias
of or relating to actual and external phenomena as opposed to thoughts, feelings, etc.
 
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I think I've mentioned it several times...from the implausible angle.

You have. :D
 
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Very interesting thoughts there, zombie.

Science is fantastic athumbsup But has a lot to learn yet, I'm sure.
 
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What's interesting about them - nothing has been proposed? Why exactly do you think is interesting? Show your working and reasoning. Then answer these questions:

At what point did we evolve to have a soul (or whatever people call the thing that is supposed to be us in the afterlife)?
At what point did we evolve to have our soul rip through the fabric of the universe?
What mechanisms were in place to allow transferral from the corporeal to ethereal?

And, the most important question of all,

Where is the evidence that the afterlife even exists on which to hazard the guess that evolution was even involved?

Clearly, it's more than science that has a lot to learn.

What really is interesting, however, is people who don't understand what the ToE actually is in the first place, and who were arguing against it in previous threads, suddenly grasp hold of it because they think it somehow supports their notions!

Answer the questions above and then we can get into an interesting discussion, rather than backing a donkey in a horse race merely because it's wearing your team's colours!
 
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Jun 8 2012, 11:09 AM
Very interesting thoughts there, zombie.

Science is fantastic athumbsup But has a lot to learn yet, I'm sure.

And so many more need to catch up with what science already knows, where does that leave you...sorry them.
 
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What's interesting about them - nothing has been proposed? Why exactly do you think is interesting? Show your working and reasoning. Then answer these questions:

At what point did we evolve to have a soul (or whatever people call the thing that is supposed to be us in the afterlife)?
At what point did we evolve to have our soul rip through the fabric of the universe?
What mechanisms were in place to allow transferral from the corporeal to ethereal?

And, the most important question of all,

Where is the evidence that the afterlife even exists on which to hazard the guess that evolution was even involved?

Blimey! You can be bossy. Personally, I reckon I'd get an F in this particular exam. I can put a hazy answer in at the very first question. I find it interesting because I find all these questions interesting. I might also be tempted to change the word 'soul' to 'consciousness', but as to the rest ... I'm not sure about any of it.
Wanders off to lie down in a darkened room.
 
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That's probably one of the nicest accusations I've ever seen levelled at a sceptic Les :lol:

Bossy.
 
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I'm taking a course in vitriol - so as to compete with sceptics better. :D
 
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Jun 9 2012, 07:25 AM
Blimey!  You can be bossy.  Personally, I reckon I'd get an F in this particular exam.  I can put a hazy answer in at the very first question.  I find it interesting because I find all these questions interesting.  I might also be tempted to change the word 'soul' to 'consciousness', but as to the rest ... I'm not sure about any of it. 
Wanders off to lie down in a darkened room.

Personally, I find things 'interesting' because I have considered the evidence that gives cause to the claim. Surely, for people to claim something that uses ToE as a cause for making something interesting then they should demonstrate some understanding of the topic that has allowed them to come to a conclusion - even if the conclusion is 'its interesting'?

In this case, and I don't mean you necessarily, Les, I suspect people found it interesting because they are happy to be flag-wavers for anyone and anything that is on their side without actually considering any aspect of what it is they claim to find interesting.

Backing the donkey in a horse race merely because it is wearing their team's colours - not because the argument holds any merit.

If that's the case, what point is there in a debate? They are clearly not interested in the truth where the truth will guide them off the path of their belief. The epitome of closed-mindedness - or, at the very least, laziness.
 
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