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Unlocking Eternal & Classic Modes - the Final Word
Topic Started: Mar 7 2011, 09:57 PM (6,273 Views)
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Hi Folks

I hadnt played this game for a while and have only recently gone back to it to try and unlock all the modes.

I've saw some interesting suggestions as to how you unlock them and having studied the game I have found it comes down to two areas

1 - How well you perform within the respective levels.
2 - Glitches within the game


As most people will know - Normal mode is unlocked by completing the levels in order
- Drive mode is unlocked by completing the levels in order when you have completed the main game.

Eternal Mode - In MOST cases eternal mode will unlock when your Cummulative score from Normal Mode and Drive Mode is high enough. You dont need scores of 100 or 120, just scores which are respectable. As a rule of thumb scores of 80 and 60 should do it. If you are struggling, aim to improve your lowest score between Normal and Drive Modes.

Classic Mode - After you unlock eternal mode your next task will be to complete it, roll up pretty much everything and bag 100 or 120 points. Again your cummulative score for Normal,Drive and Eternal need to be high enough to unlock Classic.

On one level My scores were 69 for Normal - 51 for Drive - 100 for Eternal (220 in total and this was NOT enough for Classic)
I replayed the same level and improved my Drive score to 80 - giving me a new total of 249 and this WAS enough for Classic

This theory was working fine until I played As large as Possible 10. Here I scored 67 Classic - 96 Drive - 100 Eternal (263 total) and Classic remained locked....

This opened up 3 possiblities
1 - Different Levels have different Cummulative Target Scores
2 - The game is bugged
3 - The King has amnesia

I replayed the level and got 78( a lower score) for Drive and Classic UNLOCKED. Clearly a glitch
On the snowman level I rolled up the snowman's head straight away in drive and nothing happened - I did the same thing 30 seconds later and Classic Unlocked - Clearly another Glitch.


So there you have it:
- It's nothing to do with how many presents or cousins you have rolled up
- Nothing to do with how many times you play a level. (Of course if you keep replaying a level and improving your score slowly this may be why some people have suggested this)
- Nothing to do with the % of items you have rolled up in the stage.

A final suggestion would be to tap X when you finish each level and listen to what the king has to say... There is a small chance if you press start this will skip through his text quickly and could be part of the aforementioned glitch.. :unsure

Ciaoooooooooooo
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vix
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Run you clever boy and remember...

i've unlocked eternals with scores of 30 on the first play of a level so i really don't think it's fully based on the points system.

i don't think it's glitches either.

i personally really do think it's purely a random system or based on something just as random. but hey, who knows.

it's a nice theory/work you have there though.
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Drouge
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The most seductive

I, personally, think that cumulative level plays total unlocks the modes. Let's say you play MAS2 3 times, but MAS 4 7 times. You now have a total of 10 total, which are then used by the game to unlock the modes. Which is why sometimes you can play a late level for ages and ages and not get it, but play an early level and unlock it right off the bat. Earlier levels have less steep requirements.

This is probably wrong, but the way my levels tend to unlock, t goes like this a lot.
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Kyun
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i'm thinking it's level plays, but it's also effected by score, but like vix said, it seems to have a very heavy hint of the randomness.
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vix
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Run you clever boy and remember...

i don't think it's culmulative level plays either because like i said i've gotten the eternal unlocked on levels the very first time i played them with crappy scores.

maybe it's a slight factor in to it...but i still think it's really the luck of the draw. sure there has to be something coded in the game that grants eternals but hey, for all we know it could be something like a number generator. if your score ends in 5, you get an eternal. :lol
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Drouge
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Does your score end in a negative seven? Eternal! Yaaaaaay!

They really did a good job making the level unlocks as random as the game they're in.
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vix
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Run you clever boy and remember...

yeah, i mean don't get me wrong, i really wish there was a set way to it. would things so much easier. but it's just as random as everything else is when it comes to katamari.
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FoominFan
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Moment Generating Function

I agree with vix; unlocking classic mode or eternal mode in some levels is just a matter of how many times you play the levels or how many total points you accumulate. If you have trouble unlocking, just keep playing the unlocked modes over and over! :)
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vix
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Run you clever boy and remember...

i'm pretty sure you mean disagree since i've been saying all along (since the game came out, i mean and in this topic :lol ) that it isn't based on how many times you play or accumulated points. it *may* have something to do with that but even if it does, that is definitely not the deciding factor.
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Kyun
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I think having it be primarily random makes a lot of sense, since it's either the king that awards it to you, or the Roboking. When it's the king, we'll we all know how eccentric he is, and when it's good old Roboking, he dosn't exactly know what he's doing yet dose he? ^__^
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FoominFan
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Moment Generating Function

I meant it's just random. :lol
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slowbro
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way too silly :S

I have my own theory that I've explained in a few threads, but if vix is right that an Eternal can sometimes be unlocked the very first visit to a level's KF mode with a score of less than 120 then my theory is wrong :lol

In my experience, it seems that every roll through a level gets you closer to that level's Eternal and Classic, and higher scores have a greater effect than lower scores. One 120 is enough to singlehandedly get you the Eternal, and a second 120 (in any mode) is then enough for the Classic. Lower scores than 120 don't get you as far. I don't know exactly how far say a 20 or a 60 or a 100 gets you, but just adding together the numbers doesn't work. Two 60s or three 40s very likely gets you less far than one 120.

There is definitely no need to play all the modes of a level to earn an Eternal or a Classic; just rolling enough times in KF mode will do. And if after a few rolls you're really close to unlocking an Eternal or Classic, then after that a very low-scoring roll can unlock a mode.

One good trick (if I'm right) is to roll very thoroughly in Eternal as soon as you've unlocked it. If you've unlocked an Eternal, then a 120 in that should get you the Classic.

... and I might be completely wrong :devil
Edited by slowbro, Mar 9 2011, 11:53 AM.
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MMDE
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Just putting it out there, I've unlocked classic mode before eternal at least 5 times... I've also unlocked with lousy scores as 14. :p

So yes, it has nothing to do with points. Might have something to do with what you pick up? =o
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slowbro
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way too silly :S

I probably shouldn't post about this again :D I definitely can't claim to know all the ins and outs of the unlocking process but I have played through a few times so I think I have some idea of how it works.

If Classic ever unlocks before Eternal in a stage that has both Classic and Eternal, that would surprise me greatly. Many stages don't have Eternal mode. In my experience, after unlocking Eternal it always takes at least one more roll to unlock Classic.

It doesn't surprise me at all that modes unlock with low scores :) I'm pretty sure it's a cumulative effect ... every completed play through a level you get closer to unlocking the next mode (Classic and/or Eternal). But two 120s has always been enough to unlock Classic for me, and if the stage has Eternal the first of the two 120s unlocks Eternal. (Obviously I don't always get two 120s lol, and in that case it takes more than two rolls.)
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