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Old Hollywood Lesbians; they got around
Topic Started: Sep 22 2008, 10:05 AM (69,424 Views)
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Mercedes De Acosta, Marlene Dietrich, Greta Garbo, Tallulah Bankhead... and everyone else.

One of my favorite strange but true stories is that Joan Crawford and Marilyn Monroe had a fling. I read in the news a while ago that someone found tapes that Marilyn Monroe's psychiatrist made, and she talked about it! Unfortunately, I think it was a negative and confusing experience for her.

My favorite Marlene Dietrich moment is in the movie Morocco, where she is wearing a tuxedo, gets close to a woman and looks her in the eye while smelling a rose, and kisses her on the lips. So gay.

If you are interested in glamorous dykes of the past, I recommend reading The Girls: Sappho Goes to Hollywood by Diana McLellan. It's a bit trashy because there was a whole lot of sex going on, but it's totally fascinating.

Do you know any other books or movies about this? Who is your favorite star?
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Barbara Stanwyck is my favourite old-school lez. I love watching her movies - she's such an amazing actress!

I read about her rumoured affairs with women from this trashy paperback book that listed a lot of the 'open secret' Hollywood goss from the 1920s through to 1960s. I got it at a garage sale(unfortunately can't remember the title!).

Parts of the documentary, Celluloid Closet, has an interesting look at old-school Hollywood and how homoerotic subtext was knowingly put into earlier films by directors and actors in a way that would pass the censors.
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Sep 22 2008, 09:05 AM
My favorite Marlene Dietrich moment is in the movie Morocco, where she is wearing a tuxedo, gets close to a woman and looks her in the eye while smelling a rose, and kisses her on the lips. So gay

I love it. It was the first lesbian movie kiss ever and made Marlene my favourite icon besides Greta Garbo. Both also competed for the other chick Mercedes de Acosta.

(Greta’s Queen Christina is very worth watching)

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(Greta’s Queen Christina is very worth watching)

Only if you turn the sound off and don't mind the inaccuracies.

Greta Garbo was probably the most beautiful ever, but she was not much of an actress... Ingrid Bergman OTOH, now that was one talented, clever, AND beautiful lady.
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(Greta’s Queen Christina is very worth watching)

Only if you turn the sound off and don't mind the inaccuracies

Do you mean linguistic or historical inaccuracies?? If you mean the latter, I’d say: don’t watch a Hollywood movie that is based on historical events. Watch a docu or take a good book of history instead. I love the movie because of Greta’s appearance, no more and no less.
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Old school bisexuals more like it. Most of them swallowed more cock than the gay boys so they're hardly lesbians.
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Sep 22 2008, 11:34 AM
Do you mean linguistic or historical inaccuracies??

Well, both. They didn't even get her name right.

Not that it matters of course, I'm just saying.

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Miriam Hopkins was a hardcore bisexual who was known to throw wild sex orgy parties. She hung around with Errol Flyn...

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A few lesbian and bi actresses

Garbo (with true love Mimi Pollak)

http://www.garboforever.com/Bilder/Childho...hildhood-25.jpg

Lillian Tashman

http://silentladies.com/Tashman/Tashman20.jpg

Kay Francis

http://www.geocities.com/kay_francis_pictu...francis_415.jpg

Margaret Lindsay - probable gold star

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp...say_Hurrell.jpg

Josephine Hutchison

http://www.robertschanke.com/eva/evaimages/alice1.jpg

Carole Landis

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/kiwi...irrormirror.jpg

Pola Negri

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1096/polaneg.jpg

Katharine Hepburn (Laura Harding on the left)

http://www.npg.si.edu/exhibit/hepburn/images/01-02_full.jpg



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Sep 23 2008, 06:34 AM

wasnt spencer tracey hepburns great love
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thanks 6:34 - I hadn't heard of some of them. Now I will look them up

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Depending on which biography you read of Hepburn, she was straight, bi, or lesbian.

The last biography - which I enjoyed tilted toward lesbian, mostly because of her long friendship/relationships with women.

I don't really get the Spencer Tracy thing. It seems strange. He seemed like a depressed drunk who was not even nice to her. Some people think it was sexual, some think platonic, some think made up for PR purposes. It was strange, whatever it was.
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Old school bisexuals more like it. Most of them swallowed more cock than the gay boys so they're hardly lesbians.

Go back to DL, gay man.
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The weird thing is that it was Laura Harding who was a closet case and it was Harding who went out of her way to perpetuate Hepburn being into men. Having read most biographies of Hepburn she comes across as a woman leaning bisexual with serious Daddy issues. The romance with Tracy doesn't seem sexual in any of the books but more a girl taking care of her Dad. It's weird.

The breakup with Harding is sad. Rumors start hitting and so she does what her career demands. Again it doesn't help that Harding was just as bad as Hepburn.
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Old school bisexuals more like it. Most of them swallowed more cock than the gay boys so they're hardly lesbians.

UMMMMMM....rude.
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The "mother" of all hollywood lesbians: Alla Nazimova! If you want an interesting read, get a copy of Gavin Lambert's biography of her (entitled NAZIMOVA)...she wasne of the first women in hollywood to direct and produce her films (often under male pseudonyms),and she was known for hosting "all-girl" pool parties on Sundays at her estate, The Garden of Alla!
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she was known for hosting "all-girl" pool parties on Sundays at her estate, The Garden of Alla!

I want to steal this idea.
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg

Oh I hadn't heard of that one. Any good bios on her?
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg

Oh I hadn't heard of that one. Any good bios on her?

Holy crap, I just realized that I did know that. I read it along time ago in that book, The Girls.

Guess I didn't recognize her name for some reason. I must read that book again. Great book.
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg

Aw - that's actually pretty sad. She was probably so lonely.
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Yeah, the Scott-scandal is sad. She must've been outside the "sewing circle" of Hollywood les/bi's since she turned to prostitutes?

The weird thing about Stanwyck is ,well read it on DL posted by SusieLee, that a lesbian author was working on a biopic about BS. And apparently much to her disappointment she found no facts/lovers of Stanwyck to confirm her bi/les sexuality. Instead everything indicated that she was straight.

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Gardner is reported as saying that it was a visit to New York to see Cole Porter's musical Du Barry Was a Lady that made her realise she could have feelings for another woman.

'From the moment Betty walked onto that stage, she just blew me away. I couldn't take my eyes off this gorgeous creature and I began to realise, with some embarrassment, that I found her physically attractive. She had a very sexual way of delivering her lines, with that pouting little mouth that made every word look like a kiss to the audience.'

Years later Gardner met Grable in Hollywood Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, and tried to tell her about the effect she had had on her. According to Gardner, Grable just rolled her eyes and fell about laughing before saying 'Well honey, I can think of one big thing we've both had in common' .



http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Ava_Gardner
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg

Aw - that's actually pretty sad. She was probably so lonely.

Yes I do feel very sorry for Lizabeth Scott and the way that her life turned out for her. I also wonder why she turned to prostitutes? Maybe she felt 'safer' doing that..... The brothel that had her details was extremely high class and very popular amongst a whole host of Hollywood stars. Mainly male, but the Confidential expose on Lizabeth Scott hinted that she wasn't the only hollywood actress to avail of their services....

Interesting fact is that Scott was one of the leading ladies in 'The Strange Love of Martha Ivers' in 1946, which also starred the rumoured lesbians Barbara Stanwyck and Judith Anderson..... and there were some rumours of an affair between Stanwyck and Scott on the set of the movie. Not sure that I believe it, but it's fun!

The book 'The Girls' and also 'The Sewing Circle' contain a lot of good info on Scott

I find her really interesting, and I really wish that someone would do a good bio on her, or better I wish that she would do an honest autobiography before she dies (she's 82) Highly unlikely, though.

This is an exceedingly bizarre of her doing a strange version of the song 'Lollipop' with Patti Page and Gracie Fields. For some reason they are all dressed like adult babies and doing a cringy dance, but the vid is from 1958 after the scandal, so I guess poor Liz took whatever she was offered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsE1FDmIOGE

And a clip of her during her 1940's femme fatal heyday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpmbTTMgMvQ

Love her gravelly voice.....

I realise that I'm posting a lot about Liz, but as I said she's a pretty interesting (supposed) dyke!
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^^^

Sorry, Liz is 86 not 82 as I said above. Girl better start writing that autobiography quick!
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She sure seemed to enjoy licking that lollypop in the first video
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Sep 23 2008, 06:19 PM
UMMMMMM....rude.

lol..oh dear!
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg

Aw - that's actually pretty sad. She was probably so lonely.

Yes I do feel very sorry for Lizabeth Scott and the way that her life turned out for her. I also wonder why she turned to prostitutes? Maybe she felt 'safer' doing that..... The brothel that had her details was extremely high class and very popular amongst a whole host of Hollywood stars. Mainly male, but the Confidential expose on Lizabeth Scott hinted that she wasn't the only hollywood actress to avail of their services....

Interesting fact is that Scott was one of the leading ladies in 'The Strange Love of Martha Ivers' in 1946, which also starred the rumoured lesbians Barbara Stanwyck and Judith Anderson..... and there were some rumours of an affair between Stanwyck and Scott on the set of the movie. Not sure that I believe it, but it's fun!

The book 'The Girls' and also 'The Sewing Circle' contain a lot of good info on Scott

I find her really interesting, and I really wish that someone would do a good bio on her, or better I wish that she would do an honest autobiography before she dies (she's 82) Highly unlikely, though.

This is an exceedingly bizarre of her doing a strange version of the song 'Lollipop' with Patti Page and Gracie Fields. For some reason they are all dressed like adult babies and doing a cringy dance, but the vid is from 1958 after the scandal, so I guess poor Liz took whatever she was offered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsE1FDmIOGE

And a clip of her during her 1940's femme fatal heyday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpmbTTMgMvQ

Love her gravelly voice.....

I realise that I'm posting a lot about Liz, but as I said she's a pretty interesting (supposed) dyke!

thanks guys, i love you for this.
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Lizabeth Scott anyone? 1940's film noir femme fatal who was outed by Confidential in 1955 when they ran an article exposing the fact that she used the services of high class Hollywood prostitutes. The scandal ruined her career....

Although she tried to sue Confidential (and lost) and she's never come out, she never married or had any children and she's never spoken of the scandal or her sexuality publicly, not even to deny it.

Rumour has it that we was a lover of Tallulah Bankheads early on in her career when she was Tallulah's understudy for a play.

Juicy stuff.

http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups/lizscott.jpg

Lizzie Scott, eh? Any hot photos to share? What exactly is it that you find so fascinating about this Blonde Femme-Fatale? Her dark brows? Her Gravelly voice? Her Devil-may-care defiance of the hysterical bearding techniques of the Old Studios? Or her tendancy to wear men's cologne as she strutted around?

Pity about this prostitution bust, couldn't a dyke get some ass in peace goddamit!?
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Wow, can't believe somebody else here mentioned MARGARET LINDSAY. Wow. Didn't think anyone knew that name aside from me!

Also, Beverly Roberts. Her gf was another Hollywood D list actress who's name I can't remember.

And Lili Damita. My first girl crush, believe it or not!
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You can play Lizabeth Smith - Dress the Doll!
http://www.paperdolls.com/pages/lizdressem.htm
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OOPS - Lizabeth Scott (not Smith) - Dress the doll
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Gay LA: A History of Sexual Outlaws, Power Politics, and Lipstick Lesbians (Basic Books) by Lillian Faderman and Stuart Timmons
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Gay LA: A History of Sexual Outlaws, Power Politics, and Lipstick Lesbians (Basic Books) by Lillian Faderman and Stuart Timmons

Have you read that?
How was it?
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Lizzie Scott, eh? Any hot photos to share? What exactly is it that you find so fascinating about this Blonde Femme-Fatale? Her dark brows? Her Gravelly voice? Her Devil-may-care defiance of the hysterical bearding techniques of the Old Studios? Or her tendancy to wear men's cologne as she strutted around?

Pity about this prostitution bust, couldn't a dyke get some ass in peace goddamit!?

Yes, poor Lizzies 'fun' times were brought to an abrupt end by those pesky cops!

After the humiliating hooker bust, Scotty was a frequent fixture of Hollywood's shadier lesbian bars and watering holes, where she was to be seen drowning her sorrows and propping up the bar.

She also (according to Confidential) had an affair with Frede, Paris city's most 'notorious lesbian queen and the operator of a night club devoted exclusively to entertaining deviates like herself'.

Another fascinating fact: the 1950 Bette Davis movie 'All About Eve' is widely believed to be based on aspects of Tallulah Bankhead and Lizabeth Scott and their love affair.

And to answer your question on what exactly I love about Lizabeth Scott?

Here are some of the reasons:

Off screen she was plain 'Scotty', an avid hater of lipstick, frilly dresses and 'frilly, fussy females'. She wore only men's cologne, slept in men's pyjamas and didn't bother pretending to date men. She was an outsider and a defiant 'strange girl' at a time of such hyperfeminity.

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On screen she became 'The Threat', a smouldering, gun-toting femme fatal with a gravelly, husky voice and a pout like no other. She was an altogether darker shade of noir than Bacall or Lake.

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She was sultry and seductive, with a vauge hint of irresistible masculinity

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She had simply beautiful eyebrows.....

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And a gorgeous smile!

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You can play Lizabeth Smith - Dress the Doll!
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Off screen she was plain 'Scotty', an avid hater of lipstick, frilly dresses and 'frilly, fussy females'. She wore only men's cologne, slept in men's pyjamas and didn't bother pretending to date men. She was an outsider and a defiant 'strange girl' at a time of such hyperfeminity.

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On screen she became 'The Threat', a smouldering, gun-toting femme fatal with a gravelly, husky voice and a pout like no other. She was an altogether darker shade of noir than Bacall or Lake.

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She was sultry and seductive, with a vauge hint of irresistible masculinity

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She had simply beautiful eyebrows.....

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And a gorgeous smile!

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"...an avid hater of lipstick, frilly dresses, and 'frilly, fussy females'.

I know many people who would never wear lipstick or frilly dresses. Most of them are men. But their opposition to traditional feminine appearance has never made them more attractive to me. It just makes me think of someone very insecure and so obsessed with proving their masculinity that they have to determinedly avoid any hint of something that might appear the least bit feminine. This comes out most familiarly when such men react to the sight of a male who is dressed in anything remotely feminine. Their rage and anger usually consists of verbal ridicule, but tragically, at times there is actual physical violence directed at men who offend their ideal of what a man should be by, for example, wearing lipstick/makeup or anything considered "frilly."

That is why it is somewhat distressing to read your depictions of two different types of women in which the feminine women are ridiculed, and the women who reject femininity and use "men's" pajamas, and "men's" cologne, are of course praised for their "irresistible masculinity."

It's always been a problem for feminine lesbians to exist in a lesbian culture where masculinity is insisted upon and femininity is debased.

Oh, about those prostitutes you say she patronised: did they wear lipstick and frilly dresses?
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"...an avid hater of lipstick, frilly dresses, and 'frilly, fussy females'.

I know many people who would never wear lipstick or frilly dresses. Most of them are men. But their opposition to traditional feminine appearance has never made them more attractive to me. It just makes me think of someone very insecure and so obsessed with proving their masculinity that they have to determinedly avoid any hint of something that might appear the least bit feminine. This comes out most familiarly when such men react to the sight of a male who is dressed in anything remotely feminine. Their rage and anger usually consists of verbal ridicule, but tragically, at times there is actual physical violence directed at men who offend their ideal of what a man should be by, for example, wearing lipstick/makeup or anything considered "frilly."

That is why it is somewhat distressing to read your depictions of two different types of women in which the feminine women are ridiculed, and the women who reject femininity and use "men's" pajamas, and "men's" cologne, are of course praised for their "irresistible masculinity."

It's always been a problem for feminine lesbians to exist in a lesbian culture where masculinity is insisted upon and femininity is debased.

Oh, about those prostitutes you say she patronised: did they wear lipstick and frilly dresses?

Did you come from that DL thread about the gay man who was mad because straight men always gave him looks because he was feminine?
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"...an avid hater of lipstick, frilly dresses, and 'frilly, fussy females'.

    I know many people who would never wear lipstick or frilly dresses. Most of them are men. But their opposition to traditional feminine appearance has never made them more attractive to me. It just makes me think of someone very insecure and so obsessed with proving their masculinity that they have to determinedly avoid any hint of something that might appear the least bit feminine. This comes out most familiarly when such men react to the sight of a male who is dressed in anything remotely feminine. Their rage and anger usually consists of verbal ridicule, but tragically, at times there is actual physical violence directed at men who offend their ideal of what a man should be by, for example, wearing lipstick/makeup or anything considered "frilly."

    That is why it is somewhat distressing to read your depictions of two different types of women in which the feminine women are ridiculed, and the women who reject femininity and use "men's" pajamas, and "men's" cologne, are of course praised for their "irresistible masculinity."

    It's always been a problem for feminine lesbians to exist in a lesbian culture where masculinity is insisted upon and femininity is debased.

    Oh, about those prostitutes you say she patronised: did they wear lipstick and frilly dresses?

I'm sorry that my post offended you- I was simply describing what I personally love about Lizabeth Scott.

I have absolutely nothing at all against femme women, in fact the opposite is true.

And about Scott 'hating' feminine women..... The quote I used is from the book 'The Girls' where she was describing how in her first screen tests her hair was piled on top of her head in clusters of curls and she was plastered in lipstick and put in fussy costumes. She was probably expressing her discomfort in the situation rather than a dislike of femmes.

She said that she hates 'frilly, fussy' women, not that she hates 'feminine' women. I'd say that she was speaking of a particular kind of over-the-top, unnatural, cloying, simpering, forced 'femininity' that was foisted on starlets at the time.

For me, I find the odd juxstaposition of masculinity and femininity in Lizabeh Scott very intruiging and appealing- by all appearences she was she was a traditionally sexy, beautiful 'femme' woman but with a masculine, edgy, mysterious side.

It wasn't my intention to ridicule feminine women, and I'm sorry if I seemed to be doing so somehow.

And I'm pretty sure that the prostitutes that Scotty frequented were probably quite pretty and feminine, and probably did wear lipstick and frilly things on occassion.

Maybe Liz could appreciate that in moderation in other women, but not for herself.




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Lol. No, haven't been to Datalounge in a while. But that same attitude toward feminine men, unfortunately exists toward feminine women in our community.
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Thank you for you reply and your further expansion of the first post. I don't think we could ever come to a meeting of the minds, but I do appreciate your courtesy and civility.
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Any one know how old Lizabeth Scott is? She must be in her late 80's
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How old is Lizabeth Scott?
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I read she was born on September 29 1922. She turns 86 years old on Monday.
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"All About Eve" was not based on an affair between Lizabeth Scott and Tallulah Bankhead according to the book "All About 'All About Eve'" by Sam Staggs. It was based on a story by author Mary Orr who based it on a anecdote told to her by actress Elisabeth Bergner. When she was appearing in the play "The Two Mrs. Carrolls" in 1943, Bergner noted a waiflike young women waiting outside the stage door night after night. Taking pity on her she invited her into her dressing room and eventually hired her as her secretary. Ultimately the young woman betrayed her by trying to take her career and her husband, the director Paul Czinner.
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"All About Eve" was not based on an affair between Lizabeth Scott and Tallulah Bankhead according to the book "All About 'All About Eve'" by Sam Staggs. It was based on a story by author Mary Orr who based it on a anecdote told to her by actress Elisabeth Bergner. When she was appearing in the play "The Two Mrs. Carrolls" in 1943, Bergner noted a waiflike young women waiting outside the stage door night after night. Taking pity on her she invited her into her dressing room and eventually hired her as her secretary. Ultimately the young woman betrayed her by trying to take her career and her husband, the director Paul Czinner.

Interesting. I have heard about that Tallulah/Lizabeth rumour so many times. I wonder where the story started and why? It should be on snopes.com.



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She had simply beautiful eyebrows.....

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Thanks for the photos as requested, dollface! I'll have to check her out in a movie or two soon ;-)
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I hope she writes a book someday. Some how I doubt it. Gtreat voice.
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I hope she writes a book someday. Some how I doubt it. Gtreat voice.

Me too, I'd say that she has many a great story to tell about Hollywood through the years. Maybe she would have written a book if the prostitute thing didn't happen. Maybe she would even have come out by now? Her voice is amazing and very distinctive but she probably smoked a lot!
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Miss Tallulah Bankhead, Darrrling!
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I think you can add Lillian Gish to the list. Her sister, too.

Lillian, I believe, never married. I've heard rumors about her. Not sure though.
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Why the hell would someone that beautiful need prostitutes? Yuck.
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Why the hell would someone that beautiful need prostitutes? Yuck.

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There are many reasons. This was in the 50's too, have to keep that in mind. I can imagine the high payed pros. being femme and straight looking, maybe that's what she wanted. It was not as easy to pick up a woman in a bar back then.

I still wonder though if she was outside the lesbian circle of Hollywood, she wasn't the only gay/bi actress yet she was only the one the press felt comfortable naming, or maybe she was the only one in the infamous black book.
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I also find it a bit shocking that a woman like Lisabeth Scott would have to resort to hookers. Why didnt she just get a regular girlfriend? Was she just sex mad?
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I also find it a bit shocking that a woman like Lisabeth Scott would have to resort to hookers. Why didnt she just get a regular girlfriend? Was she just sex mad?

Of course it's possible that the story is false. Remember she took the magazine to court for libel. It seems more likely that you would sue if you knew the story was false and therefore they could not prove it in a court of law. It seems less likely you would go to court if the story was true, because you'd be afraid they would be able to prove it.
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I also find it a bit shocking that a woman like Lisabeth Scott would have to resort to hookers. Why didnt she just get a regular girlfriend? Was she just sex mad?

I get told I am good-looking all the time and I have slept with hookers. Why?It's easier then having to spend ages talking to someone who wants some deep emotional connection when you simply want to get laid. It's also exciting and not all whores are ugly. The ones is Amsterdam are fine
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I get told I am good-looking all the time and I have slept with hookers. Why?It's easier then having to spend ages talking to someone who wants some deep emotional connection when you simply want to get laid. It's also exciting and not all whores are ugly. The ones is Amsterdam are fine

Better no sex than sex with prostitutes.

I don't know. It's just so... immoral. The idea of buying sex and using another human being for nothing else but your own sexual desire.

Well, to each his own.
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I get told I am good-looking all the time and I have slept with hookers. Why?It's easier then having to spend ages talking to someone who wants some deep emotional connection when you simply want to get laid. It's also exciting and not all whores are ugly. The ones is Amsterdam are fine

Tell us about one of those times? how did you meet her? did she know you were a woman? how much did it cost?
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Tell us about one of those times? how did you meet her? did she know you were a woman? how much did it cost?

"did she know you were a woman?" I don't get this.
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I don't know. It's just so... immoral. The idea of buying sex and using another human being for nothing else but your own sexual desire.

I know someone that knows prostitutes and they say it's a fun job even when the client isn't attractive. They say it's cool that their job is just to have sex.
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I know someone that knows prostitutes and they say it's a fun job even when the client isn't attractive. They say it's cool that their job is just to have sex.

Oh great! My neice is looking for a job, I'll be sure to recommend she look into prostitution thanks to your glowing endorsement.
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Tell us about one of those times? how did you meet her? did she know you were a woman? how much did it cost?


It's not just butches who hire prostitutes, wtf. Sorry to be rude but really... I know this attractive redhead femme, who was searching the internet for a hook-up, Tired of getting no where she started to search for a good looking pros. online. Usually they will have their sexual orientation listed and as she lives in London some are even strictly lesbian.

Anyways, she enjoyed it and when she doesn't have the time but the urge to hook up with a woman, she simple calls them, also does this when she is away on business-trips and have no idea where the les clubs are at etc.
...It's easier for gay males, unknown lesbians aren't so willing to hook up quick for one steamy night. I guess we resemble straight women in that way.
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"did she know you were a woman?" I don't get this.

LOL Yeah, of course..when she saw me. I mean, I didn't arrange it over the phone. I was seventeen at the time and in Amsterdam.

It had always been a fantasy of mine from a young age.
The first time I tried I was sixteen, but I only got as far as ringing the escort service.

It cost 100 Euros, but I lied and said I only had 60 on me. Basically all she did was go down on me, asked if I had enjoyed myself, and that was that.

I am a femme btw.
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Oh great! My neice is looking for a job, I'll be sure to recommend she look into prostitution thanks to your glowing endorsement.

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Of course it's possible that the story is false. Remember she took the magazine to court for libel. It seems more likely that you would sue if you knew the story was false and therefore they could not prove it in a court of law. It seems less likely you would go to court if the story was true, because you'd be afraid they would be able to prove it.

Actually, the story is more than likely true.... Her name was discovered along with her address and 2 contact numbers in the list of clients by the police who busted the brothel. When the cops rang her number, who answered but Lizabeth herself with her distinctive husky voice.

Unfortunately, Confidential got most of their stories by bribing immoral cops, hiring private investigators and sending decoys to gay clubs and such to entrap the celebrity. They had a lot of 'bust' and 'arrest' stories through cops involved selling their stories.

So why did Lizabeth sue when most stars who appeared in the magazine kept quiet and waited for the story to blow over? It was a very ill-advised and bad move on her part. Ironically, by suing she only served to bring the story much wider attention than it probably would have recieved had she chosen to ignore it, like Tab Hunter did (who was outed in the very same issue as Lizabeth).

I think that she was probably advised to sue by Hal Wallis, her legal advisor or her agent as the story was so shocking and reflected so badly on her image. It may not have even been in her hands and may have been handled by her 'people'

Confidential could have run a story on Lizabeth's suspicious lack of boyfiends and her frequent visits to lesbian bars without making something up about her using prostitutes.

Also, after her case was thrown out, there was some talk of her relaunching her case in New York, but that never came to anything. Now, she refuses to do interviews and will not participate in any books that want to shed light on her case. Surely if she was innocent of such a blatant smear on her reputation, she would not be afraid to tell her side of the story and answer questions about it?

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So why did Lizabeth sue when most stars who appeared in the magazine kept quiet and waited for the story to blow over? It was a very ill-advised and bad move on her part. Ironically, by suing she only served to bring the story much wider attention than it probably would have recieved had she chosen to ignore it, like Tab Hunter did (who was outed in the very same issue as Lizabeth).

Reminiscent of the Oscar Wilde scandal, isn't it.

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Lizabeth released and album in the late fifties, after the scandal had caused her once burgeoning career to grind to much slower and quieter pace. It is interesting to note that song titles on the album include: 'Men', 'He Is a Man', 'It's So Nice To Have a Man Around The House' and 'When a Woman Loves a Man'. How very subtle. However, there is also a song on the album called 'Deep Dark Secret'.....

It is also interesting to note what is said about Liz on the back cover:

'Liz, who's quite a blouseful, sleeps in the nude and adores sexy clothes'. This Lizabeth is quite a contrast to the 'Scotty' of before the scandal who proudly declared that she slept in men's pyjamas, wore mens cologne, and hated being primped up for the camera.

I wonder if it was an attempt to salvage the appearance of heterosexuality in public?

It's interesting that Lizabeth still refuses to discuss her sexuality- it may be because she is a very private person (as she was back in her heyday), or it could be her newfound religiousness.

I've read a few places that Liz was actually very openly gay in her own circles back in the day. I don't think she has had a partner for a long time, so I wonder if she has 'renounced' her gayness?

The more I try to work out the puzzle of her life, the more I realise what a fascinating person she is. I hope that someone writes a good biography when she dies.....
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Reminiscent of the Oscar Wilde scandal, isn't it.

People who do not know their history are condemned to repeat it.

How very true.
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She was so sultry and beautiful back in the 40's. I think that she aged quite quickly from about 1951 or 52 onwards, though.

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Surely if she was innocent of such a blatant smear on her reputation, she would not be afraid to tell her side of the story and answer questions about it?



But by going to court wouldn't you say that she was not only not afraid to tell her side of the story but was willing to do it under oath, and answer questions about it under cross examination?
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It is interesting to note that song titles on the album include: 'Men', 'He Is a Man', 'It's So Nice To Have a Man Around The House' .


lol for real. ...I don't know what the deal with Scott is, but people do go through changes in their life. I know lesbians who's gone from being a tomboy to femme and vice versa. Kim Stolz of ANTM is one celeb who has, and she's still a lez. Maybe she grew tired of her tomboy-appearance. Maybe Scott did too.

Also, funny how this thread is almost all about a "forgotten" movie actress. I think Lauren Bacall was sexier but she was straight so. Although she did star in a controversial lesbian scene back in the 50s, one of the few during that era.
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But by going to court wouldn't you say that she was not only not afraid to tell her side of the story but was willing to do it under oath, and answer questions about it under cross examination?

If it was to save her public image and her career, maybe she would have been willing to flat out deny everything and lie through her teeth.

Liberace famously sued a publication that implied he was a homosexual back in the fifties, and he took the stand and basically lied about it. He won the case. It wouldn't be very difficult to do.....

Also, like I said in my previous post, it mightn't have even been Scott's descision to sue, that could have been her agent and her manager trying to salvage her reputation so that they could still make money out of her.

Lizabeth has never spoken a word publicly about what happened, so I guess we'll never know, until a good biography or autobiography.
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LOL Yeah, of course..when she saw me. I mean, I didn't arrange it over the phone. I was seventeen at the time and in Amsterdam.

It had always been a fantasy of mine from a young age.
The first time I tried I was sixteen, but I only got as far as ringing the escort service.

It cost 100 Euros, but I lied and said I only had 60 on me. Basically all she did was go down on me, asked if I had enjoyed myself, and that was that.

I am a femme btw.

Where are you from? Did you cum? How long did it last? Remember what she said to you?
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  But by going to court wouldn't you say that she was not only not afraid to tell her side of the story but was willing to do it under oath, and answer questions about it under cross examination?

If it was to save her public image and her career, maybe she would have been willing to flat out deny everything and lie through her teeth.

Liberace famously sued a publication that implied he was a homosexual back in the fifties, and he took the stand and basically lied about it. He won the case. It wouldn't be very difficult to do.....



Liberace could prove he wasn't in Dallas (the story was about his hook-up with guys in Dallas I think) and that's why he won. Yeah, he probably denied ever being gay too, but that wasn't the reason to winning. Poor Lizabeth couldn't prove it wasn't her who went on to see the call girls. She answered the god damn phone when the police rang, she would have to prove there was a conspiracy against her to win the case.

My 2 cents, I don't remember 1955 so vividly anymore...
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Interesting article about gay Hollywood in general:
http://qlp.e-p.net.au/feature/hollywood-confidential.html

Things did not go as well for Lizabeth Scott when, in 1955, Confidential ran a story called 'Lizabeth Scott in the Call Girls' Call Book', which claimed the husky-voiced femme fatale was a lesbian who wore pants, went by the name of 'Scotty' and regularly paid for lesbian group sex at an upscale L.A. brothel.

One of my favs ever:

Later, when reporters asked Tallulah Bankhead whether Hunter was gay, the notorious actress replied: "I don't know, darling. He never sucked my cock."

It also seems a great deal of Tallulah's understudies in the theater for most part were les/bi. Wonder why, heh. Wish she was still alive, the woman was a hoot.
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Liberace could prove he wasn't in Dallas (the story was about his hook-up with guys in Dallas I think) and that's why he won. Yeah, he probably denied ever being gay too, but that wasn't the reason to winning. Poor Lizabeth couldn't prove it wasn't her who went on to see the call girls. She answered the god damn phone when the police rang, she would have to prove there was a conspiracy against her to win the case.

My 2 cents, I don't remember 1955 so vividly anymore...

Interesting. So do you believe that Lizabeth was set up and there was some sort of conspiracy against her? I suppose it's possible....

Even though Confidential was a rag that brought a lot of stress and unhappiness to celebrities by prying into their lives, Robert harrison, the owner of the magazine actually prided himself on doing expensive background checks on the stories before they were published.

In Tab Hunter's (very interesting and well-written) autobiography, he actually goes into a lot of detail about the uproar caused by Confidential snooping in celebrities secret lives in the 50's. After the issue outing Lizabeth Scott and himself was released, Several of the stars featured in the issue hired the famed Hollywood attourney Jerry Geisler (Lizabeth Scott being one).

Geisler had a very elaborate action plan in which he would attempt to round up as many celebrities as he could to testify under oath that the stories written about them in Confidential weren't true (even though the vast majority were indeed largely, if not all, true).

By launching such an attack on Confidential and raising such a stink, Geisler hoped to get the Government involved to pass a law preventing the press from 'persecuting' celebrities and reporting on their private lives.

As Tab Hunter said in his book 'what was frustrating about Confidential was that while the articles may have had a grain of truth, the magazine felt entitled to rummage through the private affairs of public figures in the most smarmy, leering fashion.'

Tab Hunter's manager initially wanted to sue Confidential, and Tab had to testify at a preliminary hearing along with seven other stars who were suing. Tab felt apprehensive about having to take the stand and declare under oath that the story printed was false, which he knew it wasn't, and he was very relieved when his manager dropped the case.

These anecdotes from Tab's book offer some insight and perspective into possible reasons why Lizabeth Scott decided to sue, other than her being innocent of what was published about her.

As I said before, we may truly never know the truth.

Was Liz targeted in a conspiracy theory by Confidential, or was she a discreet user of call girls who was busted and humiliated by the magazine?
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Liberace could prove he wasn't in Dallas (the story was about his hook-up with guys in Dallas I think) and that's why he won. Yeah, he probably denied ever being gay too, but that wasn't the reason to winning. Poor Lizabeth couldn't prove it wasn't her who went on to see the call girls. She answered the god damn phone when the police rang, she would have to prove there was a conspiracy against her to win the case.

My 2 cents, I don't remember 1955 so vividly anymore...

Interesting. So do you believe that Lizabeth was set up and there was some sort of conspiracy against her? I suppose it's possible....

Even though Confidential was a rag that brought a lot of stress and unhappiness to celebrities by prying into their lives, Robert harrison, the owner of the magazine actually prided himself on doing expensive background checks on the stories before they were published.

In Tab Hunter's (very interesting and well-written) autobiography, he actually goes into a lot of detail about the uproar caused by Confidential snooping in celebrities secret lives in the 50's. After the issue outing Lizabeth Scott and himself was released, Several of the stars featured in the issue hired the famed Hollywood attourney Jerry Geisler (Lizabeth Scott being one).

Geisler had a very elaborate action plan in which he would attempt to round up as many celebrities as he could to testify under oath that the stories written about them in Confidential weren't true (even though the vast majority were indeed largely, if not all, true).

By launching such an attack on Confidential and raising such a stink, Geisler hoped to get the Government involved to pass a law preventing the press from 'persecuting' celebrities and reporting on their private lives.

As Tab Hunter said in his book 'what was frustrating about Confidential was that while the articles may have had a grain of truth, the magazine felt entitled to rummage through the private affairs of public figures in the most smarmy, leering fashion.'

Tab Hunter's manager initially wanted to sue Confidential, and Tab had to testify at a preliminary hearing along with seven other stars who were suing. Tab felt apprehensive about having to take the stand and declare under oath that the story printed was false, which he knew it wasn't, and he was very relieved when his manager dropped the case.

These anecdotes from Tab's book offer some insight and perspective into possible reasons why Lizabeth Scott decided to sue, other than her being innocent of what was published about her.

As I said before, we may truly never know the truth.

Was Liz targeted in a conspiracy theory by Confidential, or was she a discreet user of call girls who was busted and humiliated by the magazine?


Sounds like a book I would like to read. Confidential really was a scandalous juicy paper, and they were successfully sued in several cases. However most people chose not to, hoping it would not bring them any more attention on the subject.

And like you said about the owner, I do think they really did some great check-up in most cases or tried to find ways around it. But some of their stories really got busted, by such a "simple" thing as Maureen O'Hara proving by her passport she was in Spain at the time of her scandal. But unfortunately for most stars it was hard to prove they were innocent even if they were.

But I think in Lizabeth's case, she shouldn't have done it. But I guess for her it was really important to sue and get justice, although I don't think it was a conspiracy against her. I think she really met with the call girls, but maybe Scott was afraid. Maybe her studio execs were furious at her for being so reckless. Maybe she wanted to be proclaimed "straight" in national magazines, in the same Liberace was after winning his case (although it happened later on).

I'm tired so excuse my bad grammar and whatnot.

Oscar Wilde was convicted of homosexuality back in the days, and was found guilty by the jury, he went through shit but his wife never left him.

>>"At the height of his career, judgment and common sense left him when he became intimately involved with Lord Alfred Bruce Douglas who was 16 years his junior, a poet and whose most memorable line was "I am the Love that dare not speak his name.">>

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Sounds like a book I would like to read. Confidential really was a scandalous juicy paper, and they were successfully sued in several cases. However most people chose not to, hoping it would not bring them any more attention on the subject.

And like you said about the owner, I do think they really did some great check-up in most cases or tried to find ways around it. But some of their stories really got busted, by such a "simple" thing as Maureen O'Hara proving by her passport she was in Spain at the time of her scandal. But unfortunately for most stars it was hard to prove they were innocent even if they were.

But I think in Lizabeth's case, she shouldn't have done it. But I guess for her it was really important to sue and get justice, although I don't think it was a conspiracy against her. I think she really met with the call girls, but maybe Scott was afraid. Maybe her studio execs were furious at her for being so reckless. Maybe she wanted to be proclaimed "straight" in national magazines, in the same Liberace was after winning his case (although it happened later on).

I'm tired so excuse my bad grammar and whatnot.

Oscar Wilde was convicted of homosexuality back in the days, and was found guilty by the jury, he went through shit but his wife never left him.

>>"At the height of his career, judgment and common sense left him when he became intimately involved with Lord Alfred Bruce Douglas who was 16 years his junior, a poet and whose most memorable line was "I am the Love that dare not speak his name.">>

Very interesting post there!

I really agree with your theory about Lizabeth as well.

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Sounds like a book I would like to read.


I would really recommend Tab's book.... he is very frank and honest, and he seems like a surprisingly down-to-earth and intelligent guy.

He also chose to call his book 'Confidential' as a tongue in cheek reference to the magazine.

At least he has a sense of humour about it!
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Interesting article about gay Hollywood in general:
http://qlp.e-p.net.au/feature/hollywood-confidential.html

Things did not go as well for Lizabeth Scott when, in 1955, Confidential ran a story called 'Lizabeth Scott in the Call Girls' Call Book', which claimed the husky-voiced femme fatale was a lesbian who wore pants, went by the name of 'Scotty' and regularly paid for lesbian group sex at an upscale L.A. brothel.

One of my favs ever:

Later, when reporters asked Tallulah Bankhead whether Hunter was gay, the notorious actress replied: "I don't know, darling. He never sucked my cock."

It also seems a great deal of Tallulah's understudies in the theater for most part were les/bi. Wonder why, heh. Wish she was still alive, the woman was a hoot.

Thanks a million for that great link- the book sounds so juicy and fascinating! I just ordered it on ebay and I can't wait to read more about Lizabeth, Greta, Rock and Tab.
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Any Lana Turner fans here able to confirm/deny/share juicy stories about her close friendship and rumoured affair with fellow sex bomb Ava Gardner?

Lana was hot hot hoooooot back in the day!

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I think that Lana's daughter Cheryl Crane (who famously killed Lana's mobster boyfriend Johnny Stompanato in 1958) is a lesbian.... go Lana!
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She was gorgeous indeed. And yeah her daughter is gay and Lana considered her long time gf as her second daughter...aww. Lana went into troubled relationshipa with men, that's for sure. So maybe it was a sigh of relief her daughter wouldn't take the same route as her, heh.

Well, who knows if the thing with Lana and Ava ever happened, it's a nice story though. I don't remember if she denied that one, but IIRC she did deny the story about a drunken Frank Sinatra screaming "Lesbians, lesbians! You're all a bunch of goddamned lesbians!" to Lana, Ava and a female friend at a restaurant/night club. There are people who claimed they witnessed the infamous "slander", but what gives you know.

Also Cheryl Crane wrote in her biography that Lana was only interested in men. Would she rat on her mother though, if she did go all the way with Ava? (Yes, I'm reaching :P)


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Idk why Norma Shearer is on her knees, and why that man is trying to pull her away from Lana. Funny though.
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thanks for thosr pics. Ava is my favorite of all the golden age actresses.
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That article was amazing.
"Tallulah Bankhead also made no secret about her lesbian liaisons and desires, and even once showed off the gold dust on her pubes, the same kind of gold dust that Dietrich wore in her hair!"
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That article was amazing.
"Tallulah Bankhead also made no secret about her lesbian liaisons and desires, and even once showed off the gold dust on her pubes, the same kind of gold dust that Dietrich wore in her hair!"

lmao!
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Tallulah ran away from her boarding school so she could go to New York to see lesbian actress Alla Nazimova in the Broadway playWar Brides...she stated that she was 'transfixed' by Nazimova...Also, another interesting fact about Bankhead is that she had a long-term affair with Billie Holiday.
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That article was amazing.
"Tallulah Bankhead also made no secret about her lesbian liaisons and desires, and even once showed off the gold dust on her pubes, the same kind of gold dust that Dietrich wore in her hair!"


She was spunky! The infamously story is sometimes told with Joan Crawford as the woman with the gold dust in her hair. Anyways, Tallulah has been said to have shouted "Guess who just went down on me!" as she re-entered the party (both of them were attending) stark naked. :O
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The first time Bankhead met Joan Crawford (who was married to Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. at the time) she told Crawford "You know I've had your husband before...and I think I'll have you next..."
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She was gorgeous indeed. And yeah her daughter is gay and Lana considered her long time gf as her second daughter...aww. Lana went into troubled relationshipa with men, that's for sure. So maybe it was a sigh of relief her daughter wouldn't take the same route as her, heh.

Well, who knows if the thing with Lana and Ava ever happened, it's a nice story though. I don't remember if she denied that one, but IIRC she did deny the story about a drunken Frank Sinatra screaming "Lesbians, lesbians! You're all a bunch of goddamned lesbians!" to Lana, Ava and a female friend at a restaurant/night club. There are people who claimed they witnessed the infamous "slander", but what gives you know.

Also Cheryl Crane wrote in her biography that Lana was only interested in men. Would she rat on her mother though, if she did go all the way with Ava? (Yes, I'm reaching :P)


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Idk why Norma Shearer is on her knees, and why that man is trying to pull her away from Lana. Funny though.

Thanks for the great pics and info- that last picture of Norma and Lana is a hoot!

Lana and Ava sure looked very close and comfortable together in those photos of them with each other. Even if the rumours of them being lovers aren't true, I think that it's very nice that Lana could enjoy such a close friendship with another woman. Women like her who are beautiful and successful with men are often hated and mistrusted by other women, and so can find it hard to make female pals.

I also love how gay-friendly Lana was.... it's really great that she welcomed Cheryl's girlfriend as a second daughter.

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What's fascinating is how much of a tantrum some fans of old stars go into when it is revealed their beloved star may have been lesbian or bisexual.

Whether it be Janet Gaynor, Margaret Lindsay, Claudette Colbert, etc. it freaks them out.
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I also love how gay-friendly Lana was.... it's really great that she welcomed Cheryl's girlfriend as a second daughter.


I remember watching an episode of Larry King Live about five years ago when Lana Turner's daughter Cheryl Crane was talking about a documentary that was about to be aired about her mother(see youtube clip...about 52 seconds in Cheryl starts to talk about her mother)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSkK-WydJrY

Anyway, after Larry King had discussed all the marriages and relationships Lana Tuner had, he asked Cheryl if she had a relationship. Cheryl replied that she had been with her partner Joyce for 30 years. Larry King looked absolutely shocked that a gay relationship could last so long. His reaction was pretty funny.



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Oct 4 2008, 12:32 AM
"Tallulah Bankhead also made no secret about her lesbian liaisons and desires, and even once showed off the gold dust on her pubes, the same kind of gold dust that Dietrich wore in her hair!"
That's fucking awesome.

From what I recall, Cheryl Crane's autobiography is a pretty good read.
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I remember watching an episode of Larry King Live about five years ago when Lana Turner's daughter Cheryl Crane was talking about a documentary that was about to be aired about her mother(see youtube clip...about 52 seconds in Cheryl starts to talk about her mother)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSkK-WydJrY

Anyway, after Larry King had discussed all the marriages and relationships Lana Tuner had, he asked Cheryl if she had a relationship. Cheryl replied that she had been with her partner Joyce for 30 years. Larry King looked absolutely shocked that a gay relationship could last so long. His reaction was pretty funny.

cheryl is gorgeous. who is her gf?
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Cheryl and girlfriend in the eighties. I guess they have been together for about 37 years now.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymi...ry-photo-1.html
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Oct 5 2008, 05:07 AM
Cheryl and girlfriend in the eighties. I guess they have been together for about 37 years now.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymi...ry-photo-1.html

WOW!
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Cheryl and girlfriend in the eighties. I guess they have been together for about 37 years now.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymi...ry-photo-1.html

Cheryl has been with her lover since she has been 18yrs old. Can you imagine!
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Cheryl and girlfriend in the eighties. I guess they have been together for about 37 years now.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymi...ry-photo-1.html

Cheryl has been with her lover since she has been 18yrs old. Can you imagine!

she was arrested several times in her teens for lewdness due to her preference for female lovers.
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