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.. Movie Cameras on .. Trains Prohibited (HSE)
Topic Started: 13 Jul 2008, 10:59 PM (157 Views)
Nick Tozer 13 Jul 2008, 10:59 PM Post #1
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 When I was leaving the Brighouse & Halifax Open Day this afternoon my Wife drew my attention to one of the rules for visitors that I had neglected to read on paying to enter ...

'The use of Movie Cameras on Moving Trains is Prohibited (HSE regulations)'

Now I must admit that I was allowed to film in my normal manner without any comment from the Club Members (who, incidentally, were all very friendly) but had I had my attention drawn to this rule earlier (it was a large white board on a sunny day and I did read a fair bit) I would have felt obliged to honour it, whilst, of course, seeking dispensation :) It would though have put all of us in an embarrassing position if indeed it is an HSE requirement.

This is the first time I have encountered such a ruling ... do many other clubs have such rules?
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rough-shunter 14 Jul 2008, 12:24 AM Post #2
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 where the hell does this come from this ain't HSE saying this having sat through numerous hours on the HSE "act" filming is allowed its probably just the clubs safety officer going massively overboard
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Ron 47 14 Jul 2008, 10:21 AM Post #3
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 Hi
All filming on some miniature railway has been a problem in the smaller gages as when a passenger lean out to film this can mack the train unstable but i have had no problem and it is up to the operate. there is no HSE ruling on this


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glastonrail 14 Jul 2008, 10:53 AM Post #4
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 Ron is right, there is no formal ruling for filming on miniature trains. Evidently the Brighouse and Halifaz folks have had problems in the past with people leaning out to film the train, and have put up the notice to cover their own backs in the event of an accident and claim against them.

However since the CCLR can nol onger allow dogs to travel (bar guide dogs) due to insurance reasons (mentioned as a comparative example), maybe a similar thing has happened at Brighouse, and its been written into their insurance document?? :unsure:

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Timbo 14 Jul 2008, 12:22 PM Post #5
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 Likely to be a result of the Risk Assessment or Insurance Policy.
Our insurance policy is very good - and our risk assessment is similarly specific and broad where required. It covers off "reasonable" precautions and "best possible" solutions.

Of course, should there be an incident or claim on the policy, it is possible that the insurers will regard the original precautions to be not reasonable enough, and enforce more stringent regulation.

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MuzTrem 14 Jul 2008, 05:50 PM Post #6
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glastonrail
14 Jul 2008, 10:53 AM
However since the CCLR can no longer allow dogs to travel (bar guide dogs) due to insurance reasons (mentioned as a comparative example), maybe a similar thing has happened at Brighouse, and its been written into their insurance document?? :unsure:
That's not just Cleethorpes - we have the same rule at Ruislip. And whilst we don't have any ban on filming, passengers are not allowed to lean out of the coaches - not due to stability (which is less of a problem on 12" gauge!), but risk of injury from limbs catching the ground, lineside vegetation, passing trains etc. And if passengers do lean out too far, the driver will simply stop the train and go and tell the offenders to keep inside the coach - I have known this happen more than once. So if anyone does want to do any filming at Ruislip, they may wish to bear this in mind! ;)
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steamdriver 11 Aug 2008, 01:23 AM Post #7
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 Another angle (excuse the pun) is that obviously miniature trains are popular with children. Filming children in a public place brings up all sorts of issues.

Gone are the days where you can just point a video / film camera around willy nilly. Filming in a park or such like is normally subject to certain bylaws etc which prevent it. Sadly, there are some very sick and twisted people around who spoil it for others.

It is ok to film in a public place but if you shoot members of the public, they have the right to request firstly that you don't and they also have the right to deny the publication of such material (ie for broadcast / public viewing / resale)

I have heard some protective parents (understandably) voicing their concern when noticing that they or their children may have been caught on camera. Obviously miniature railways are more susceptable to this that full size railways.


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