Originality of miniature railway locomotives

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Originality of miniature railway locomotives
Topic Started: 19 Sep 2008, 03:47 PM (1,340 Views)
DevilDrummer	20 Sep 2008, 07:33 PM Post #16
Director Posts: 2,054 Group: Member Member #300 Joined: November 2, 2007	rough-shunter 20 Sep 2008, 07:05 PM so all mainline steam are replicas then ? seeing as they have to be reduced in hight to fit in the 13 ft 1" No... Changing something doesnt make it a replica...
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glastonrail	20 Sep 2008, 07:36 PM Post #17
Dommo Posts: 2,371 Group: Member Member #85 Joined: January 7, 2007	DevilDrummer 20 Sep 2008, 07:33 PM rough-shunter 20 Sep 2008, 07:05 PM so all mainline steam are replicas then ? seeing as they have to be reduced in hight to fit in the 13 ft 1" No... Changing something doesnt make it a replica... Great example of the clash between preserving the original artifact and modifying an "old" item to suit "modern" requirements. Dom
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Ben	20 Sep 2008, 08:18 PM Post #18
Big Railway Guard Posts: 484 Group: Moderators Member #451 Joined: January 24, 2008	rough-shunter 20 Sep 2008, 07:05 PM so all mainline steam are replicas then ? seeing as they have to be reduced in hight to fit in the 13 ft 1" Rubbish, very few locos have to be changed in order to comply to Network Rail's loading gague
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rough-shunter	20 Sep 2008, 09:02 PM Post #19
Director Posts: 1,730 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #121 Joined: April 27, 2007	hmm want to bet i know the scots have been and all the a4s
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little giant	20 Sep 2008, 09:17 PM Post #20
leader RMR crazy projects Posts: 373 Group: Member Member #275 Joined: October 5, 2007	what I was saying about taliasin was it is a scale model not a repilca cos if you build a replica it is the same as the original yes some locos have had bits changed to fit new main line hights but that would be a modification not a full rebuild i.e VoR number 9 was down on swindon books as a rebuild of the davies metcalf tank but was a new build done with out the cost of the paper work for the first two so it was for ages a rebuild but was not ergo a paper rebuild we could split up rebuild,replica,copy,scale model,modified but where each line is is anyones guess, but I say so what, as long as we have working steam in this country does it really matter as long as it is still doing its job which is to haul train loads of passengers who most of the time dont know the history its just a train ride and the are happy and thats what you need happy passengers cos one will lead to more and that appiles to all sizes of locos from the main line size down to us in miniature railways
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Ben	20 Sep 2008, 09:23 PM Post #21
Big Railway Guard Posts: 484 Group: Moderators Member #451 Joined: January 24, 2008	rough-shunter 20 Sep 2008, 09:02 PM hmm want to bet i know the scots have been and all the a4s Some have been, but not as many as your original post suggested
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bvr379	21 Sep 2008, 02:07 PM Post #22
Operations Manager Posts: 562 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #210 Joined: August 12, 2007	little giant 20 Sep 2008, 09:17 PM what I was saying about taliasin was it is a scale model not a repilca cos if you build a replica it is the same as the original yes some locos have had bits changed to fit new main line hights but that would be a modification not a full rebuild i.e VoR number 9 was down on swindon books as a rebuild of the davies metcalf tank but was a new build done with out the cost of the paper work for the first two so it was for ages a rebuild but was not ergo a paper rebuild we could split up rebuild,replica,copy,scale model,modified but where each line is is anyones guess, but I say so what, as long as we have working steam in this country does it really matter as long as it is still doing its job which is to haul train loads of passengers who most of the time dont know the history its just a train ride and the are happy and thats what you need happy passengers cos one will lead to more and that appiles to all sizes of locos from the main line size down to us in miniature railways I agree. For example on the Bure Valley Railway locomotive No. 7, there is a "rebuilt" plate, but in fact at the time stated very little was done to the locomotive other than a normal overhaul and a repaint. On the other had, BVR No. 6 "Blickling Hall" had a total rebuild from the frames up (which were straightened!), new cylinders and a new front end, etc., yet returned to traffic in 2004 with nothing on it about a rebuild. It is BVR policy to improve its locomoyive fleet as each loco needs attention / overhaul.
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timbgray64	8 Oct 2008, 07:13 PM Post #23
Driver Posts: 233 Group: Member Member #670 Joined: April 22, 2008	bvr379 21 Sep 2008, 02:07 PM BVR No. 6 "Blickling Hall" had a total rebuild from the frames up (which were straightened!), new cylinders and a new front end, etc., yet returned to traffic in 2004 with nothing on it about a rebuild. Other than the 'ZB-R' on the front buffer beam then David
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bvr379	9 Oct 2008, 09:45 AM Post #24
Operations Manager Posts: 562 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #210 Joined: August 12, 2007	timbgray64 8 Oct 2008, 07:13 PM bvr379 21 Sep 2008, 02:07 PM BVR No. 6 "Blickling Hall" had a total rebuild from the frames up (which were straightened!), new cylinders and a new front end, etc., yet returned to traffic in 2004 with nothing on it about a rebuild. Other than the 'ZB-R' on the front buffer beam then David Correct, although I believe that the 'ZB-R' was painted on a little after the rebuild.
	David Barnes Bure Valley Railway - The 15" gauge railway with powerful locomotives. Trains between Wroxham & Aylsham in Norfolk. Santa will be arriving soon, followed by Mince Pie Specials from 27 Dec 2009 until 3rd Jan 2010. For Bure Valley Railway info. see: BVR website, which includes timetables.


rough-shunter	9 Oct 2008, 11:18 AM Post #25
Director Posts: 1,730 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #121 Joined: April 27, 2007	As i see it a loco is the same loco if it has the following . origianal mainframes . improvements are non astheticly altering and finally it runs the same as built if not better
	JORDAN ASHLEY LEEDS Trains go into tunnels and come out but locos can go in sheds and never come out


craiggluyas	9 Oct 2008, 12:22 PM Post #26
Director Posts: 2,277 Group: MRMT Trustees Member #46 Joined: October 5, 2006	Well Hunslet attached the Number of the loco to the Frame. All other parts were usually changed during overhaul for stock items, to speed the process up. The old parts were then overhauled for the next loco and so on, similar to Volkswagen's idea for the Beetle. This means that any loco having gone through Hunslets for overhaul, which is probably most of the north of englands NCB fleet, do not have the same parts they started with - does this mean they have been rebuilt or just overhauled??? Any part of a loco can and probably will be replaced during its life at some stage. As long as all are not changed at once, the soul of the loco is still there!
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Callum Darraugh	9 Oct 2008, 05:57 PM Post #27
Mug shot master Posts: 1,326 Group: Member Member #239 Joined: September 2, 2007	i went down to millerbeck last saturday and since it was pouring down - no trains we went to windermere. one of the blokes from the SBA owns ailsa (millerbeck) and the boat that is next door to his dons River Irts original boiler! does anyone know how old this boiler would be? Callum EDIT: Admin + Mods - please move this post if needed as i didnt know exactly where to put it Edited by Callum Darraugh, 9 Oct 2008, 06:00 PM.
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DevilDrummer	9 Oct 2008, 06:25 PM Post #28
Director Posts: 2,054 Group: Member Member #300 Joined: November 2, 2007	rough-shunter 9 Oct 2008, 11:18 AM As i see it a loco is the same loco if it has the following . origianal mainframes . improvements are non astheticly altering and finally it runs the same as built if not better So by your reckoning, KLR's Hawk...is no longer Hawk, and when Mr Rileys done swapping frames on 45407, it will be a different engine?
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MuzTrem	9 Oct 2008, 06:31 PM Post #29
Operations Manager Posts: 920 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #65 Joined: December 5, 2006	Callum Darraugh 9 Oct 2008, 05:57 PM does anyone know how old this boiler would be? 1927 I believe. Fascinating discovery, I'd no idea it still existed! Incidentally, her old 6-wheel tender frames also survive under the Ravenglass tank wagon.



Callum Darraugh	9 Oct 2008, 07:01 PM Post #30
Mug shot master Posts: 1,326 Group: Member Member #239 Joined: September 2, 2007	neither did i!!! how did you know about the tender? (are we on topic)
	Your train is cancelled due to the lack of the tea can on the footplate. www.hilcotevalleyrailway.webs.com and www.trenthamfernrailway.webs.com Staffordshires Greatest Little Railways!


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